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Boxerbeetle wrote:Yes, I don't disagree with any of that, it just seems weird to see it

It's very weird how Ward has screwed up his career.

It's weird having him there just hanging around wasting his talent.

crusader wrote:Good list as usual (I never got why some people hate on your lists).

crusader wrote:I would have Rigo even lower, although you have one of the better placements of him; I still see many rankings with him in or close to the top 5. It won't be long before the Donaire win was two years ago, his resume isn't particularly strong outside that, he's fought weak opposition lately, and he was recently put down twice by someone who I don't think P4P elite guys should be going down against.

Rigondeaux's win against Donaire is coming up for 3 years ago now.

Rigondeaux's record isn't that great and I don't think he's really anything special between the ropes either.

davie wrote:I like horses lists, like any, they will always differ from mine and everyone elses.
But on the whole, they're pretty good and he makes a a good case for why he moves people around.

But I just like disagreeing because he's a stubborn SOB and very hard to budge once he's made his mind up. It keeps us amused

Horse wrote:

davie wrote:I like horses lists, like any, they will always differ from mine and everyone elses.
But on the whole, they're pretty good and he makes a a good case for why he moves people around.

But I just like disagreeing because he's a stubborn SOB and very hard to budge once he's made his mind up. It keeps us amused

I can't agree with you on that one Horse

davie wrote:
I can't agree with you on that one Horse

Horse wrote:December

1. (1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. (2.) Roman Gonzalez
3. (3.) Gennady Golovkin
4. (5.) Sergey Kovalev
5. (6.) Manny Pacquiao
6. (7.) Timothy Bradley
7. (12.) Saul Alvarez
8. (NE.) Tyson Fury
9. (8.) Terence Crawford
10. (9.) Juan Francisco Estrada

11. (4.) Wladimir Klitschko
12. (10.) Adonis Stevenson
13. (11.) Guillermo Rigondeaux
14. (13.) Shinsuke Yamanaka
15. (14.) Andre Ward
16. (18.) Leo Santa Cruz
17. (16.) Nicholas Walters
18. (19.) Danny Garcia
19. (21.) Donnie Nietes
20. (20.) Keith Thurman

21. (24.) Erislandy Lara
22. (15.) Miguel Cotto
23. (17.) Naoya Inoue
24. (NE.) James DeGale
25. (22.) Kell Brook
26. (23.) Carl Frampton
27. (25.) Viktor Postol
28. (28.) Mauricio Herrera
29. (29.) Takashi Uchiyama
30. (26.) Bernard Hopkins

Out - (27.) Carl Froch
Out - (30.) Lucas Matthysse

I see this list still provides comedy. you were watching some high level stuff with Fury/Wlad, huh? Neither looked top 100. wlad was never top 50. They can barely fight, they're just both big. Wlad has power and Fury has balls. in a p4p fight, size being equal, you think Fury squeezes by crawford on his skills? cmon

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Horse wrote:December

1. (1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. (2.) Roman Gonzalez
3. (3.) Gennady Golovkin
4. (5.) Sergey Kovalev
5. (6.) Manny Pacquiao
6. (7.) Timothy Bradley
7. (12.) Saul Alvarez
8. (NE.) Tyson Fury
9. (8.) Terence Crawford
10. (9.) Juan Francisco Estrada

11. (4.) Wladimir Klitschko
12. (10.) Adonis Stevenson
13. (11.) Guillermo Rigondeaux
14. (13.) Shinsuke Yamanaka
15. (14.) Andre Ward
16. (18.) Leo Santa Cruz
17. (16.) Nicholas Walters
18. (19.) Danny Garcia
19. (21.) Donnie Nietes
20. (20.) Keith Thurman

21. (24.) Erislandy Lara
22. (15.) Miguel Cotto
23. (17.) Naoya Inoue
24. (NE.) James DeGale
25. (22.) Kell Brook
26. (23.) Carl Frampton
27. (25.) Viktor Postol
28. (28.) Mauricio Herrera
29. (29.) Takashi Uchiyama
30. (26.) Bernard Hopkins

Out - (27.) Carl Froch
Out - (30.) Lucas Matthysse

I see this list still provides comedy. you were watching some high level stuff with Fury/Wlad, huh? Neither looked top 100. wlad was never top 50. They can barely fight, they're just both big. Wlad has power and Fury has balls. in a p4p fight, size being equal, you think Fury squeezes by crawford on his skills? cmon

Killer Kovalev wrote:1. (1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr. HES RETIRED

I don't take him at his word.

Killer Kovalev wrote:2. (2.) Roman Gonzalez TOO HIGH

The Ring, TBRB, ESPN all have Gonzalez at No. 1.

I don't think that he is far and away clearly better than Golovkin and Kovalev, but for me and a lot of people he just edges them right now.

Killer Kovalev wrote:13. (11.) Guillermo Rigondeaux TOO LOW

He hasn't done anything good in two years.

Killer Kovalev wrote:20. (20.) Keith Thurman TOO HIGH

His record has a lot of decent names on it and he has beaten most of them fairly easily.

He lacks any big wins, but I think his record and talent are enough for him to squeak into the top 20.

Killer Kovalev wrote:21. (24.) Erislandy Lara TOO HIGH

A lot of people thought he deserved the decision against Alvarez last year (not me). He has a solid record and he's a skilled fighter.

Killer Kovalev wrote:24. (NE.) James DeGale TOO HIGH

I think his recent form is enough for him to claim his place. Those below him have generally been on poor form, inactive or have only just arrived at world level.

Killer Kovalev wrote:28. (28.) Mauricio Herrera TOO HIGH

Most people thought he deserved the decisions against Garcia and Benavidez in recent fights. I think he deserves a place on the list.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I see this list still provides comedy. you were watching some high level stuff with Fury/Wlad, huh? Neither looked top 100. wlad was never top 50. They can barely fight, they're just both big. Wlad has power and Fury has balls. in a p4p fight, size being equal, you think Fury squeezes by crawford on his skills? cmon

Heavyweights are never likely to appear as graceful or skilled as lightweights, they've got a lot of weight to shift around.

You give Crawford a 6' 4" and 230 lbs body and see how he fights.

Fury is the best at his weight, with a much better win than Crawford has ever got.

Crawford has also been fighting relatively rubbish opposition since moving to light welterweight and he might be a bit of a hypejob.

Chepppaaa wrote:

I'm sure that he'd think your P4P top 30 is great.