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dr_devious wrote:What everyone is forgetting is that apart from Whyte's titanium chin he is a crap boxer and had Joshua going at times. Both of them got found out last night, cant remember a fight where the hype has exceeded the quality as much as this. Joshua will probably get steered to a paper title e.g. the IBF and Whyte will get some paydays on the back of his gutsy effort, but both are way short of top level

Syntax Error wrote:Joshua is a relative novice & Fury is a seasoned professional who just happens to be the HW Champion of the world.

Now is not the time to be comparing the two to each other.

dookus wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:Joshua is a relative novice & Fury is a seasoned professional who just happens to be the HW Champion of the world.

Now is not the time to be comparing the two to each other.

Someone should tell AJ that, who was quick to say after Fury's win that he'd back himself to win right now.

stevedoc wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:He won't be fighting Fury for 18 months after that.

exactly ...i just left a pub where everyone was saying he'd beat fury....... i had to leave because i got feed up saying that AJ didn't look good

dookus wrote:
That version of AJ would get clowned by Fury, who would just dance around him jabbing him in the face and talking poo relentlessly until Joshua gives up through nerve-induced exhaustion and frustration. He needs to stop with the heavy weights and work on his stamina and footwork.

Nightmare Roy wrote:He won't be fighting Fury for 18 months after that.

Riddick Blowe wrote:The idea that Tyson Fury has slowly evolved into some sort of refined fighter, culminating in his oh-so-impressive win over a statue, and that such a rich vein of learning vs the likes of Kevin Johnson and Derek Chisora should automatically place him leagues above Joshua, even a present-day Joshua, is...interesting.

How does Whyte do against those versions of Johnson and Chisora? I guess he would be crushed against them, because after all he is a 'novice' and as such he doesn't fit in with this weird linear development idea that some folks feel is so important. Why is it not ok to surmise that Joshua has shown enough at this stage? How have Fury's defensive issues been forgotten just because he didn't have to defend against actual punches in his last fight? Those knockdowns against Cunningham and Pajkic?

He can be assured that punches will be coming his way with bad intentions from Joshua, and I don't buy the idea one bit that Fury is suddenly just too canny to get hit with them.

stevedoc wrote:ok i just see the AJ vs Whyte fight in the pub and joshua looked well short of world title class to me if i was fury i'd be more than happy i didn't see much in joshua .yet .right now fury would school him .......i might be wrong as like i said i see it in the pub so not the best place to make a opinion ..

thechump wrote:

stevedoc wrote:ok i just see the AJ vs Whyte fight in the pub and joshua looked well short of world title class to me if i was fury i'd be more than happy i didn't see much in joshua .yet .right now fury would school him .......i might be wrong as like i said i see it in the pub so not the best place to make a opinion ..

Guess you never the fury klitschko fight then? Cause AJ vs Whyte had more action in the first minute than that fight had in the 12 rounds so if i was fury id be shittin my pants thinkin "how the fvck can i escape either of these two? They arnt gun shy like klitschko". Fury isnt all that and the rematch will prove it.

broadhurst wrote:On that performance Fury has nothing to be worried about and should welcome a fight with Joshua sooner. Suspect chin, stiff feet, no head movement, no jab, stamina problems. Fury and Klitschko would've had a field day. Fury picking him off and counter punching and Klitsckho jabbing and the straight right (if he still has that shot) and most world class heavyweights would've finished him off when he was wobbled.

That being said look at Fury a few years ago. He has come on a heck of a lot whether you like his style or not. Joshua can work on a lot of his flaws over the next few fights but I'm not sure how far I'd go with the current trainer tbh. All well against lower ranked fighters having the power, hand speed and combos but that alone won't win at the top.

I'm not a fan of Joshua mainly because of the Sky Sports hype and would love to see Hearn's biggest asset crash and burn (bitter i know) but if he takes his time, works on his foot movement, head movement, stamina and getting a jab, Hearn chooses good learning fights rather than more round 1-3 KO's then I can't see him not being a World Champion in 2017.

WildWaylon wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:He won't be fighting Fury for 18 months after that.

Fury wont be champion in 18 months if he fights Wilder. Joshua was in his first real test and found out he needs to improve on his defence. He needs some tough fights like that to learn. Maybe if he gets to 18 - 0 he will be ready for a World Title shot. I cant see David Haye beating Joshua with a tighter defence.

nitro5912 wrote:why are people comparing them as a fury of now against a Joshua of now???

fury made his debut in 2008 in the pro game, won the british title 3years later in 2011 v an untested but limited fighter in chisora but then took 4years to get his world title shot, in the years in between he was knocked down by Cunningham and pajkic but rose to win.

Joshua only started boxing amateur in 2007, turned pro in 2013. so he has along way to go before he is on the level that fury is.

Joshua needs tests and he got through one Saturday by facing someone he genuinely dislikes, he will take that he fought too emotionally

Ian1973 wrote:

broadhurst wrote:On that performance Fury has nothing to be worried about and should welcome a fight with Joshua sooner. Suspect chin, stiff feet, no head movement, no jab, stamina problems. Fury and Klitschko would've had a field day. Fury picking him off and counter punching and Klitsckho jabbing and the straight right (if he still has that shot) and most world class heavyweights would've finished him off when he was wobbled.
Omg i cant believe what im reading here,your talking as if fury has defensive skills like mayweather or something. I know joshua got caught with a good shot and wobbled abit but hasnt that happened to fury against cruiserweights and some american heavyweight iv never heard of? Fury won the most boring championship fight i think iv ever seen,ther wer rounds in that fight were no one hit eachother,for three minutes no one layed a glove on eachother? Fury isnt all this and that u watch in the rematch or if he fights deontay. I just cant believe some of the shite im hearing on here,next time i come on this post im bringing big roll to wipe the sh1t from some peoples mouths. Joshua wouldnt lay a glove on the defensive mastermind tyson fury hahaha
That being said look at Fury a few years ago. He has come on a heck of a lot whether you like his style or not. Joshua can work on a lot of his flaws over the next few fights but I'm not sure how far I'd go with the current trainer tbh. All well against lower ranked fighters having the power, hand speed and combos but that alone won't win at the top.

I'm not a fan of Joshua mainly because of the Sky Sports hype and would love to see Hearn's biggest asset crash and burn (bitter i know) but if he takes his time, works on his foot movement, head movement, stamina and getting a jab, Hearn chooses good learning fights rather than more round 1-3 KO's then I can't see him not being a World Champion in 2017.

Bang on. I think Joshua would prove to be a relatively easy nights work for Fury. Joshua is slow and stiff, he'd barely lay a glove on Fury. Fury would move and pop Joshua's head off.

I actually think Haye would be a more difficult opponent for Fury, Haye is faster, smaller and nippier and could maybe get on the inside and he has the power to trouble most people. If he couldn't get to Wladimir though I'm not sure he'd get to Fury either.