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Tarkus wrote:
He would be better off with less muscle mass. However I dont know if he can do much about it. He has said he doesnt do weights and it is his "natural" appearance resulting from general boxing training.

ikorolev wrote:So, Mayweather (if he was still fighting) and Bradley should get rid of some of their muscle too ?

They don't have muscle, they're just skinny. Bradley has some muscle & like zero fat, thats why he looks like Mini-Joshua.

Tarkus wrote:
He has said he doesnt do weights and it is his natural appearance resulting from general boxing training.

Really, when did he say that?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing ... hnson.html

I don't think he needs to lose weight, he's a big bloke and probably fitter than almost any heavyweight out there.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: That's utter cobblers if he said that, there's videos of him pushing weights in the gym.

Nobody is built like that without doing weights. Joshua is actually quite a sleight build, he is broad shouldered for sure, but he has a small waist and tiny ankles, he's not built like a really thickset man, he is quite blatantly pumped from weight. He's naturally athletic for sure, but you don't get that kind of build from just cardio training.

I found it strange too but he did say it. Knowing that there are training systems that rely entirely on your body weight that give you pretty good muscle definition I though it was feasible.

Controversial wrote:

Tarkus wrote:
He has said he doesnt do weights and it is his natural appearance resulting from general boxing training.

Really, when did he say that?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing ... hnson.html

I don't think he needs to lose weight, he's a big bloke and probably fitter than almost any heavyweight out there.

iFLTV perhaps. I post it if i find it.

Tarkus wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: That's utter cobblers if he said that, there's videos of him pushing weights in the gym.

Nobody is built like that without doing weights. Joshua is actually quite a sleight build, he is broad shouldered for sure, but he has a small waist and tiny ankles, he's not built like a really thickset man, he is quite blatantly pumped from weight. He's naturally athletic for sure, but you don't get that kind of build from just cardio training.

I found it strange too but he did say it. Knowing that there are training systems that rely entirely on your body weight that give you pretty good muscle definition I though it was feasible.

There were videos posted on him recently doing deadlifts and other compound exercises with a barbell, so clearly if he says that, he's not telling the truth. The bulk of those muscles is not something you achieve with bodyweight exercises either. People who do those kind of exercises tend to be lean and ripped, rather than bulky. Joshua has huge packs of muscles in his lower back, that you could not possibly develop without the use of weights.

Joshua was a lifter before he started Boxing. Obviously he has done a bit since he took up the sport but I think he's always been a muscular fella since he laced the gloves up.

I think he could do with losing some of that bulk, won't be easy to do though.

nobody asked mike tyson to trim
it down a little.

crusader wrote:

Lackeos wrote:

crusader wrote:Muscles need oxyginated blood and the more muscle you have the harder your body has to work to get blood to them. I think the link between muscle mass and stamina is very strong.

Thanks. That helps explain why 246-pound Lebron James could never be an elite athlete at a sport that requires a lot of endurance. It's an interesting coincidence though that the last 3 kings of the heavyweight division have all weighed 246 +/- 1 pound. Anthony Joshua also weighs within 1 pound of 246. But I suppose that Joshua, Fury, Wlad, Vitali, and Lennox Lewis are all doomed to failure, because they're all fat slugs. If only they all trimmed down to the same size as that well-known 215-pound 6' 6" undisputed heavyweight boxing champion from the past. What was his name again? Was it Nobody McFictional?

So are you disputing what I claimed in my previous post?

Most of your post is drivel and you seem to be addressing arguments I never made. Nowhere did I suggest that a heavily-muscled athlete, even one who was flagging in the third round and had to significantly drop his output, can't have great success in a sport where endurance is important, though I did suggest that there is a link between muscle-mass and stamina. AJ may well become a great champion and continue to add to his bulky frame, but his success wouldn't mean that the amount of muscle he carries is optimal for speed, stamina, or fluidity. Further, based on the examples adduced you seem to be unable to recognize that people can weigh the same but carry very different amounts of muscle, and I don't think any of the other fighters you listed (Wlad has poor stamina by the way and two of his losses were largely due to him gassing) were as muscled at around 250 as Joshua has been at the same weight (nor did any of them have the ripped but distended gut that Joshua is sporting--which is disproportionately common among bodybuilders).

AJ at a little over 248; he's a Fury doppelganger isn't he?



For what it's worth, this helps illustrate what I mean about the distension (and I think AJ is clearly looking more muscular at basically the same weight as Lewis):

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man wrote:nobody asked mike tyson to trim
it down a little.

Yeah because he was very robotic and stiff...

Tarkus wrote:

Controversial wrote:

Tarkus wrote:
He has said he doesnt do weights and it is his natural appearance resulting from general boxing training.

Really, when did he say that?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing ... hnson.html

I don't think he needs to lose weight, he's a big bloke and probably fitter than almost any heavyweight out there.

iFLTV perhaps. I post it if i find it.

The link I posted above shows him lifting weights. Also the recent TV documentary about him he said he lifted weights before he boxed so maybe he was joking. He has said his physique is a lot down to genetics but you don't get that big without some sort of weight training.

ikorolev wrote:

davie wrote:

ikorolev wrote:So, Mayweather (if he was still fighting) and Bradley should get rid of some of their muscle too ?

No, of course not

So, why should Joshua? He is just a bigger version of Bradley. Being lighter or less strong doesn't seem to be a benefit at HW. Yes, he may get tired sooner if he puts all his power in almost every punch, which is what he was doing in the first rounds of his last fight. He just needs to fight smarter.

Comparing the weight and build requirements of a welterweight (who has to squeeze into a defined 147lb limit, boils down to weight to absolutely maximise every ounce of weight before rehydrating to somewhere around 10lbs heavier) with a heavyweight (who can weigh what ever the fornicate he wants and can have absolutely any fat/muscle ratio he wants) is as stupid an argument as I've read on these boards for quite some time

It's so stupid I didn't think I had to include an explanation of that in my previous post

Once off the steroids the extra added mass will fall off him

Joshua weighed as little as 229lb two years ago, which I think is closer to his optimal weight. We naturally get a little heavier as we get older, but I honestly don't think weight lifting and adding bulk will do anything positive for Joshua's prospects. If he lays off the weights, focuses on speed and flexibility I think we'd see his performances improve, without any diminishing of his punching power, while his weight would probably be nearer the 230lb mark, moving nearer 240lb as he gets older.

lillywhite14 wrote:

man wrote:nobody asked mike tyson to trim
it down a little.

Yeah because he was very robotic and stiff...

thanks for reminding, i really had
forgotten just how stiff he was ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51090bGcoR8

JGGM wrote:Once off the steroids the extra added mass will fall off him

Looks like a roid user. How does he beat drug testing tho?

Anyways a fast guy like Joseph Parker will pick him clean if they can avoid the roid power

I don't think that AJ has fast Hands. he is not really slow but he never really looked like he was a lot faster than his Opponent. maybe he was a Little faster than whyte, but even cornish occasionally beat him to the Punch with his jab.

AJ is explosive but he doesn't really have a lot of raw handspeed. he is not slow but it is not like with haye who looked like his handspeed was completely in another league than his opponents.

AJs Speed is slightly above average still but against those Kind of opponents he should look clearly faster and not about the same.

he does not Need to be as fast as haye with his size but I think he could become a Little faster if he wasn't that buff.

dominik wrote:I don't think that AJ has fast Hands.

I agree. I've seen people comment that he's got much faster hands than Fury and Wlad and I'm not seeing it.

IMO his handspeed is about average.

One thing i dont think people have noticed is joshuas reflexes defensively are slow. Hes a knockout waiting to happen for me. The hands come down as a fight goes on also. Needs to forget about his power for now and learn how to outbox people. Because a lot of guys at the top level or around it will outlast his power. Guys like joshua put a lot into every punch when the guys still standing it ll go badly wrong...exactly the same mistake price made. Allbeit joshuas better. But it almost went badly wrong against whyte. Who for me laid the blueprint to beat joshua just wasnt good enough to pull it off...or probably the stamina to pull it off. Joshua needs to slow down in there. Go rounds and control people behind a jab mixing up his power. This going out there to destroy peoples starting bad habits that wont do him any good for the future. Price was knocking them over looking tremendous. All thompson had to do was outlast him and price folded shortly afterwards due to the fact price is trying to throw big bombs with most of his shots. People said no one will take prices power...i think people underestimate the durability of some of these heavyweights on the back of blowing out finished or part time fighters. Joshuas getting in the bad habit of going for the kill all guns blazing leaving himself vulnerable if someone is durable enough to take it...trust me they will. For a long time there was a huge question mark over the furys for me. But they know exactly what they re doing. Move and hit. Wear people down using the long reach. Mixing up the power. Making opponents scared to throw. Joshuas rythm is all out. Stop. All out. Stop. All out. Stop. He looks like he doesnt know any other way. Thats amatuer 3 round boxing stuff.

He has a blatant HGH gut. Its a good thing most of the general public are naive / clueless when it comes to gear.

bbjc wrote: Joshuas rythm is all out. Stop. All out. Stop. All out. Stop. He looks like he doesnt know any other way. Thats amatuer 3 round boxing stuff.

very true IMO

Yes that pic doesn't look good, it's a bit like Briggs in that he has a six pack on top of a belly.
Blokes in my gym have this going on, you can see they inhaling rather than exhaling when they exert.

In terms of him losing weight surely it would help his speed? I mean we all wanted Frank to have been quicker and some of that was down to his muscle mass, being too tight.

As pointed out Lewis wasn't muscle bound and was very fluid in his top half. He banged really hard so had that naturally, maybe Joshua thinks it's not a natural thing for him hence the weights.

Counter-puncher wrote:

bbjc wrote: Joshuas rythm is all out. Stop. All out. Stop. All out. Stop. He looks like he doesnt know any other way. Thats amatuer 3 round boxing stuff.

very true IMO

It's why he needs to get rid of his training team. Over two years they've had him now and there's not been much of an improvement. For a man of his size to neglect his jab is criminal imo

bbjc wrote:One thing i dont think people have noticed is joshuas reflexes defensively are slow. Hes a knockout waiting to happen for me. The hands come down as a fight goes on also. Needs to forget about his power for now and learn how to outbox people. Because a lot of guys at the top level or around it will outlast his power. Guys like joshua put a lot into every punch when the guys still standing it ll go badly wrong...exactly the same mistake price made. Allbeit joshuas better. But it almost went badly wrong against whyte. Who for me laid the blueprint to beat joshua just wasnt good enough to pull it off...or probably the stamina to pull it off. Joshua needs to slow down in there. Go rounds and control people behind a jab mixing up his power. This going out there to destroy peoples starting bad habits that wont do him any good for the future. Price was knocking them over looking tremendous. All thompson had to do was outlast him and price folded shortly afterwards due to the fact price is trying to throw big bombs with most of his shots. People said no one will take prices power...i think people underestimate the durability of some of these heavyweights on the back of blowing out finished or part time fighters. Joshuas getting in the bad habit of going for the kill all guns blazing leaving himself vulnerable if someone is durable enough to take it...trust me they will. For a long time there was a huge question mark over the furys for me. But they know exactly what they re doing. Move and hit. Wear people down using the long reach. Mixing up the power. Making opponents scared to throw. Joshuas rythm is all out. Stop. All out. Stop. All out. Stop. He looks like he doesnt know any other way. Thats amatuer 3 round boxing stuff.

Malignaggi was astounded during the fight that he didn't establish any kind of jab, he was right as it's basic stuff. A perfect set up for his KO power so why not use it.

lol at the lack of science on display.

if a boxer fights for 3 minutes, then rests for 1 minute why does he need to go for long steady 'endurance' runs?!

it's like the 1980's in this thread.