BoxRec

koolkc107 wrote:

Redback Rasta wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:
Exactly.

There is no plan for any fight between them.

No negotiations on anything, nevermind what weight.

And no step aside fee...again.

I have been telling you for weeks what time it is.

The WBC is not going to anger the golden goose.

And here's another newsflash fresh from my crystal ball:

When they fight it will be at the weight Canelo wants...or there will be no fight.

And Golovkin will be who they strip.

Sadly you are probably very close to the reality of things there.

Just trying to tell it like it is.

Yeah, you can call Canelo a punk for the weight BS.

Except the guy he is doing it against is almost as full of crap as he is.

How do you say you will go to 154 for one guy but won't do 155 for the guy
who lost to that guy you'd lose weight for?

That's horse manure just as rank as the imaginary 155 lb weight class IMO.

Because that guy is masquerading as the Middlewieght champion of the world

Mayweather was a welterweight fighter at the time GGG was trying to persuade him north of 147lb for the big payday

davie wrote:

Aaronide_ger wrote:
"Both sides agreed that the fighters will make one more Voluntary defense..." I think thats what I said...

"Canelo Vs GGG Agreement Reached!" is a pretty misleading title for a thread about Canelo and GGG agreeing not to fight, to be fair

Yep, it was probably GB saying "you agree on our terms or no fight", and Loefler eating it instead of insisting on Canelo being stripped.

davie wrote:

Aaronide_ger wrote:
"Both sides agreed that the fighters will make one more Voluntary defense..." I think thats what I said...

"Canelo Vs GGG Agreement Reached!" is a pretty misleading title for a thread about Canelo and GGG agreeing not to fight, to be fair

Thats what they did, reached an agreement. Agreeing to something doesnt mean "fighting each other". You would have seen "Canelo Vs GGG Fight is ON!" or something like that.

koolkc107 wrote:
Just trying to tell it like it is.

Yeah, you can call Canelo a punk for the weight BS.

Except the guy he is doing it against is almost as full of crap as he is.

How do you say you will go to 154 for one guy but won't do 155 for the guy
who lost to that guy you'd lose weight for?

That's horse manure just as rank as the imaginary 155 lb weight class IMO.

Again, I don't see how you don't get this. GGG ripping down to 154 to fight to fight the best boxer in the game and make the most money in his career is worth it for him to do. It doesn't mean that he's going to do it for everyone or whenever he gets called out. It's got to be worth it. Going down to fight Canelo or moving up to fight Ward, it has to be worth it or else why do it? Ward brings in no money so why do that? Cotto wasn't worth it.

Canelo is now approaching that "worth it" kind of risk but I think that the split on money will be more of a factor than the weight limit. The WBC is pushing their weight around early in this one, dictating timelines and deadlines. Why can't they just take a hold of this weight limit at this point and end the fiasco of catchweights?

So KC, what will you say if GGG agrees to Canelo's weight demands and ends up knocking Canelo out in September or easily defeats him?

He's too big? Canelo too small? It was too cold that day? I can't wait because this is a no win fight for GGG. The skeptics will never give him credit after this one. Either way. Just wondering what you think early?

whenever boxers agree on something after
their next fight i am like: really?

caldo2025 wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:
Just trying to tell it like it is.

Yeah, you can call Canelo a punk for the weight BS.

Except the guy he is doing it against is almost as full of crap as he is.

How do you say you will go to 154 for one guy but won't do 155 for the guy
who lost to that guy you'd lose weight for?

That's horse manure just as rank as the imaginary 155 lb weight class IMO.

Again, I don't see how you don't get this. GGG ripping down to 154 to fight to fight the best boxer in the game and make the most money in his career is worth it for him to do. It doesn't mean that he's going to do it for everyone or whenever he gets called out. It's got to be worth it. Going down to fight Canelo or moving up to fight Ward, it has to be worth it or else why do it? Ward brings in no money so why do that? Cotto wasn't worth it.

Canelo is now approaching that "worth it" kind of risk but I think that the split on money will be more of a factor than the weight limit. The WBC is pushing their weight around early in this one, dictating timelines and deadlines. Why can't they just take a hold of this weight limit at this point and end the fiasco of catchweights?

So KC, what will you say if GGG agrees to Canelo's weight demands and ends up knocking Canelo out in September or easily defeats him?

He's too big? Canelo too small? It was too cold that day? I can't wait because this is a no win fight for GGG. The skeptics will never give him credit after this one. Either way. Just wondering what you think early?

I won't be among those critics not giving respect to lil g if he goes down to 155 and destroys Canelo.

That is something greats do- switch weight classes and still remain dominant.

Trust me, I will be out front with a drum major uniform singing his praises.

He will have proved he is what he says he is.

koolkc107 wrote:
That is something greats do- switch weight classes and still remain dominant.

But this isn't switching weight classes, it's moving within one weight class to a promotional limit.
That carries zero historical significance.

ttornado wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:
That is something greats do- switch weight classes and still remain dominant.

But this isn't switching weight classes, it's moving within one weight class to a promotional limit.
That carries zero historical significance.

I disagree, tho you are correct technically.

Just as history remembers the weight advantages and disadvantages in other showdowns, so too will they remember that Golovkin went down in weight.

A weight demand for a title fight is a total bitch move.
Middleweight poser asshole.
What a disappointment.

Joe Boxer wrote:A weight demand for a title fight is a total bitch move.
Middleweight poser asshole.
What a disappointment.

Call it what you will.

Lots of greats have done total bitch moves then.

If you assume that Floyd at 154 or Ward at 164 would be for some made up belt, lil g is as guilty as anyone.

At the end of the day, GGG reserves the right to refuse any catchweight and walk away.

If he takes the offer for the big fight money, then you have to accept the potential consequences.

I think 156 and we've got a fair fight, I just can't see GGG going to 154 and being healthy come fight night. It's very risky.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:At the end of the day, GGG reserves the right to refuse any catchweight and walk away.

If he takes the offer for the big fight money, then you have to accept the potential consequences.

I think 156 and we've got a fair fight, I just can't see GGG going to 154 and being healthy come fight night. It's very risky.

Yet he says he can do 154 for Floyd, who beat the guy he says he can't do 155 for.

koolkc107 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:At the end of the day, GGG reserves the right to refuse any catchweight and walk away.

If he takes the offer for the big fight money, then you have to accept the potential consequences.

I think 156 and we've got a fair fight, I just can't see GGG going to 154 and being healthy come fight night. It's very risky.

Yet he says he can do 154 for Floyd, who beat the guy he says he can't do 155 for.

Yes, but he may have said that as the starting point for negotiation - also, Floyd is not a big puncher at 154, so it's less risky.

Coming in against Canelo at less than optimal and weight drained is very risky.

Anyway, let's wait until they conclude negotiations.

Aaronide_ger wrote:

davie wrote:

Aaronide_ger wrote:
"Both sides agreed that the fighters will make one more Voluntary defense..." I think thats what I said...

"Canelo Vs GGG Agreement Reached!" is a pretty misleading title for a thread about Canelo and GGG agreeing not to fight, to be fair

Thats what they did, reached an agreement. Agreeing to something doesnt mean "fighting each other". You would have seen "Canelo Vs GGG Fight is ON!" or something like that.

So, pretty misleading then

an agreement not to agree to fight. canelo wont fight ggg at any weight. gbp aint gonna slaughter their cashcow just yet. when golovkin wants to unify the big four, canelo will vacate.

davie wrote:So, pretty misleading then

Well depends the brain.. for you its misleading.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:At the end of the day, GGG reserves the right to refuse any catchweight and walk away.

If he takes the offer for the big fight money, then you have to accept the potential consequences.

I think 156 and we've got a fair fight, I just can't see GGG going to 154 and being healthy come fight night. It's very risky.

Yet he says he can do 154 for Floyd, who beat the guy he says he can't do 155 for.

Yes, but he may have said that as the starting point for negotiation - also, Floyd is not a big puncher at 154, so it's less risky.

Coming in against Canelo at less than optimal and weight drained is very risky.

Anyway, let's wait until they conclude negotiations.

154 for Floyd AND 164 for Ward don't forget.

So if those are reasonable offers what is so unreasonable about a guy who has never weighed in over 155 asking to fight at that weight? Especially when the guy he is asking says he can make that weight?

154 for Floyd, because Floyd is 147-lber, so meeting in the middle.

164 for Ward just to say that if Ward wants a 50:50 split, then they meet in the middle. If Ward was really interested, he would have started negotiations sacrificing a part of his purse for an acceptable weight.

Canelo is a good puncher and is very durable, so fighting him while being severely dehydrated is dangerous. Also, Canelo/DLH always have 1-2 pocket judges, so in order to beat Canelo, one (not being Floyd) needs to stop him and doing that when dehydrated is much harder.

If your the so called 160 champ you should fight anyone who makes 160, demanding A fighter drop weight is faggotry IMO.

Golovkin and his team have made it crystal clear,he is a proper MW,a 160 fighter,he said he'd only make exception for Floyd Mayweather and move down to 154 because he is/was p4p Number 1,thats it

Canelo's next fight will be at 160.

He's had 4 bouts now at catchweights in order to grow into the weightclass... which isn't uncommon (Danncy Garcia for instance made the transition to welter by fighting at 142 & 143 catchweights).

Now Canelo holds a belt he'll compete at the limit. I don't see any benefit in him fighting at catchweighrs anyway. He'd find it hust as hard to drain down to 156 or so as opponents such as Lee, Golovkin or Eubank. It would be advantageous against the bigger middles like Murray for instance but he's moved to 168 anyway.

I think Canelo wants this fight, but I have severe reservations golden boy will let him take it. If he loses to GGG, which I'd expect him to - then he loses stock, whereas a loss to Mayweather actually enhanced his status and made him into a bigger star, because, well, EVERYBODY loses to mayweather anyway, and he gave it a good go.

Also, if he loses to GGG it's clear he's not anything like the real middleweight champ, and what then?

I think Golden boy will push for a fight at a weight they know GGG will never agree to.

Everybody loses to Golovkin too. If the fight happens at 160 and Canelo refuses unofficial same day weigh-in, he can claim that the fight was unfair due to Golovkin's size advantage.

ikorolev wrote:Everybody loses to Golovkin too. If the fight happens at 160 and Canelo refuses unofficial same day weigh-in, he can claim that the fight was unfair due to Golovkin's size advantage.

imo canelo and his team already lost the already lost this fight. on all levels. and canelo actually lost way more than that.
boxingfans, except diehard canelo fans, lost their respect, when a mw champ, refuses to fight at mw at a mw titlefight. Doesnt this dude have any pr management ?

koolkc107 wrote: Just as history remembers the weight advantages and disadvantages in other showdowns, so too will they remember that Golovkin went down in weight.

History can be twisted to fit any narrative, look at how the Manny Pacquiao vs. Antonio Margarito fight can be presented with a narrative of fight night weights or the promotional weights. But is presented as the eight weight class belt for Pacquiao.