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elmersalsa wrote:

FrozenMixedVegtables wrote:

psychod1986 wrote:Lennox Lewis,Naseem Hamed,Joe Calzaghe,Ricky Hatton,Chris Eubank,& Carl Froch.In my opinion was the best U.K. fighters of the past & greats as well.

Theres loads. I dont think Naz, Hatton, Eubank, Benn or Froch belong in the top ten. Especially Naz and Hatton.

A rough list of 15 greats

Bob Fitzsimmons
Lennox Lewis
Jimmy Wilde
Freddie Welsh
Ted Kids Lewis
Benny Lynch
Jim Driscoll
Ken Buchanan
Jack Kid Berg
Joe Calzaghe
John Conteh
Owen Moran
Randy Turpin
Howard Winston
Lloyd Honeyghan

Etc

Nice list. But, I personally believe that the great Jimmy Wilde was way better than Lennox Lewis.

Ted "Kid" Lewis, Jack " Kid" Berg and Benny Lynch, top 100 ATGs, are better than The Lion also.

cfang wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:Hatton lost to a hand picked paper champ in Collazo but was given the decision. Beat an aged rusty K zoo on home ground with a friendly ref. Manhandled by Mayweather and Pac - no shame there - ran from Witter. Engaged in an absurd number of WBU fights.

Honeyghan besting Curry eclipses anything he did. Starling and Breland are elite.

Hamed dabbled in the elite one time and received a thorough drubbing and lost all heart to ever box again.

Lol i expected this. It's very biased though isnt it? Ran from witter, zoo was aged and rusty? We could go on all day couldn't we with me going the other way - Currry was weight drained - Curry did nothing once he lost and was probably overated anwyay - Breland wasn't elite and only really had one good win his whole career koing honey in 3, he lost to vaca and lost in his first defence too - Honey lost all heart when he lost to starling and was never the same again etc etc two ways to look at a lot of these fights, fighters - I just think you're being totally dismissive of two great recent british boxers here and they both clearly are up there with a lot of the best from this country.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Harvey is really underrated, great fighter. He'd be a 3 or 4 division belt holder today.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

cfang wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:Hatton lost to a hand picked paper champ in Collazo but was given the decision. Beat an aged rusty K zoo on home ground with a friendly ref. Manhandled by Mayweather and Pac - no shame there - ran from Witter. Engaged in an absurd number of WBU fights.

Honeyghan besting Curry eclipses anything he did. Starling and Breland are elite.

Hamed dabbled in the elite one time and received a thorough drubbing and lost all heart to ever box again.

Lol i expected this. It's very biased though isnt it? Ran from witter, zoo was aged and rusty? We could go on all day couldn't we with me going the other way - Currry was weight drained - Curry did nothing once he lost and was probably overated anwyay - Breland wasn't elite and only really had one good win his whole career koing honey in 3, he lost to vaca and lost in his first defence too - Honey lost all heart when he lost to starling and was never the same again etc etc two ways to look at a lot of these fights, fighters - I just think you're being totally dismissive of two great recent british boxers here and they both clearly are up there with a lot of the best from this country.

I know exactly what you mean and I am not a fan of the loaded style of analysis of one fighter. I do sound too harsh on Hatton but I genuinely think he was a man in the right place at the right time. Curry's body of work was objectively superior to Zoo's and he was a young man and Zoo an old man.

We must be suspect of men who play the WBO or WBU game for a prolonged period then lose comprehensively at top level. Hatton and Hamed were both forces but benefitted from fragmented titles and undemanding fan bases/TV deals.

cfang wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

cfang wrote:
Lol i expected this. It's very biased though isnt it? Ran from witter, zoo was aged and rusty? We could go on all day couldn't we with me going the other way - Currry was weight drained - Curry did nothing once he lost and was probably overated anwyay - Breland wasn't elite and only really had one good win his whole career koing honey in 3, he lost to vaca and lost in his first defence too - Honey lost all heart when he lost to starling and was never the same again etc etc two ways to look at a lot of these fights, fighters - I just think you're being totally dismissive of two great recent british boxers here and they both clearly are up there with a lot of the best from this country.

I know exactly what you mean and I am not a fan of the loaded style of analysis of one fighter. I do sound too harsh on Hatton but I genuinely think he was a man in the right place at the right time. Curry's body of work was objectively superior to Zoo's and he was a young man and Zoo an old man.

We must be suspect of men who play the WBO or WBU game for a prolonged period then lose comprehensively at top level. Hatton and Hamed were both forces but benefitted from fragmented titles and undemanding fan bases/TV deals.

Ezzard wrote:A lot of articles you read from old time journos often put Buchanan as the greatest talent we ever produced.

FrozenMixedVegtables wrote:

cfang wrote:

Stevieb8006 wrote: honeyghan did it in the road, not with thousands behind him, including the ref.

Wins tone was a better fighter than naz with half a hand

This is a poor statement. Ofc Winstone was a class act no doubt about it but Hamed was a tremendous fighter who was only bested by the elite level Barrera and beat everyone else. Multiple belts, home and away. Huge puncher - without doubt one of the biggest punchers in the history of the division. He was a match for anyone at his best and could well have beaten Winstone.

Also I would rate Hatton p4p above Honeyghan too! Again not great comments - Hatton did it on the road too like winning a belt in the division above him in Boston, or winning two fights in Vegas. Hatton again at his best only lost to Floyd and Manny, won multiple belts in two weight divisions and beat an atg in tszyu. I remember Loyd H well and saw all his fights back in the day. He was a good fighter ofc but came well unstuck against both Breland and Starling. His record isn't as good as Hattons pure and simple and p4p id defo rate hatton higher.

Ofc Hatton isn't up there with the likes of Jimmy Wilde or Ted Kid Lewis or Jackie Kid Berg or Ken Buchannan, Calzaghe etc but he's defo up there with Winstone and Welsh, Turpin, Conteh, McGuigan, Harvey, Jock Macavoy , Lennox Lewis, Froch and and Hamed too in the second rank of great british fighters.

Two problems I have with Naz 1.He looked bad against elite level opposition and 2. He had a serious lack of boxing fundamentals wich was exposed when he fought world class sharp shooters/counter punchers. Naz was a freak athletically and this allowed him to do crazy things in the ring against lesser opposition. Of course his power and unorthodox punching angles would give him a chance vs the very best but against someone like Winstone he would need that punch because he would receive a severe boxing lesson if he couldn't land one.

I was never a fan of Honeyghan but he has a tougher resume and a better win than Hatton. He was also a far superior talent. Hatton was actually prety poo to watch, his fans made him seem more exciting than he actually was.

Ezzard wrote:A lot of articles you read from old time journos often put Buchanan as the greatest talent we ever produced.

FrozenMixedVegtables wrote:I met Ken years ago at a Joe Calzaghe fight in Edinburgh. The crazy thing is the place was full of boxing fans and he was standing at the bar drinking on his own with only the odd fan going to speak to him.

Bodyshot3 wrote:I think Duke McKenzie tends to fall off a great deal of these ranking lists and perhaps a little unfairly as well....Duke was a considerable, world class talent who worked his way up from flyweight and beat some good people and made plenty of defences.

A relatively reserved man who often had to go the points route and fought at the more unfashionable lower weights; Duke still became I think the first Brit to become a three weight division champ?

I am not making a case for Duke being at the top but he'd certainly make my top 15.

FrozenMixedVegtables wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

FrozenMixedVegtables wrote:I met Ken years ago at a Joe Calzaghe fight in Edinburgh. The crazy thing is the place was full of boxing fans and he was standing at the bar drinking on his own with only the odd fan going to speak to him.

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. You only need to read the OP to get an idea of the IQ and breadth of boxing knowledge of the common Calzaghe fan. Ask them when the super-middleweight division began, that'll give you a laugh.

I've seen it all mate

It was that bad that at one time Ken was chatting to a couple of fans that recognised him and a C celeb called Stato walked past and got a massive cheer from the crowd. This Stato twat done gambling advising on a couple of popular football shows in the UK years back. This was his only fame. It proves that most boxing fans that go to fights are really football fans.

Only in the WBO division, not the real world championship division. Hence the world not giving much of a toss about him. There's a lot of 90s boxers who opted to fight for WBO titles and seem miffed now by their lack of veneration from boxing fans.

Bodyshot3 wrote:

Only in the WBO division, not the real world championship division. Hence the world not giving much of a toss about him. There's a lot of 90s boxers who opted to fight for WBO titles and seem miffed now by their lack of veneration from boxing fans.

That's being a tad harsh on Duke Tuan, some of the WBO fights were against folk like Canizales and Benavides and were not against roadsweepers.
Duke also held the IBF title at flyweight. Let's cut the guy a break...he was actually very, very good indeed.

I stand corrected on the three weight achievement....although it is still an achievement Duke should be proud about.

Bodyshot3 wrote:

Only in the WBO division, not the real world championship division. Hence the world not giving much of a toss about him. There's a lot of 90s boxers who opted to fight for WBO titles and seem miffed now by their lack of veneration from boxing fans.

That's being a tad harsh on Duke Tuan, some of the WBO fights were against folk like Canizales and Benavides and were not against roadsweepers.
Duke also held the IBF title at flyweight. Let's cut the guy a break...he was actually very, very good indeed.

I stand corrected on the three weight achievement....although it is still an achievement Duke should be proud about.

elmersalsa wrote:Ain't Duke McKenzie and Lloyd Honeyghan Jamaicans? How come you British claim him as world champions from Great Britain?