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sucracristo wrote:

digzee wrote:You do realise they are only there for the money and the lack of opportunities on there own country?

that includes most americans and their ancestors going back only a few generations.
does it make them not american? look at all those european boxers not born in europe,
or who moved from one european country to another for opportunities. as far was what
color trunks and what colors they have behind them in a painting, i give you irish mickey
ward and irish outlaw ryan coyne. i give you irish andy lee, who competed in the olympics
for ireland but i believe was born in manchester and has spent more of his life in england.
fury also competed internationally for ireland as an amateur and won an irish title as a pro,
but was born in britain and lived most of his life there and says he is british. in the usa,
people claim countries that their parents and grandparents are from as their own, even if
they've never been there themselves. it's about ethnicity. you can call yourself anything
and be from anywhere and become an american. yeah, you're right. a lot of people come
to america because they couldn't achieve what they wanted to achieve where they came from.
you imply like it's a bad thing. saying if america wasn't america people wouldn't come here
is kinda dumb. they come here because it's america. mares lives here for at least that one
reason you listed, opportunity and standard of living, but i wouldn't be so quick to assume
that every mexican-american wants to return to mexico. once people get here, they tend
to realize the differences between here and where they came from are multi-faceted. there
are reasons why mexico has a comparatively low standard of living. you can walk across
the border from arizona, texas, and california and it's like another world, so it's not like it's
the ground they're standing on that makes things that way. there are good and bad economic
systems and ways of imposing rule of law and mexico historically has had it all wrong. also,
saying cuban refugees all want to go back to cuba is just as dumb. they are americans, now.
they are here for life and their kids will be raised here and they will never go back.

digzee wrote:So your going to compare a man who moved to America 10 years ago to a family who move there 200 years ago? Is that the same to you? When David Beckham moved to America to play for LA Galaxy would you say he was an American too?

sucracristo wrote:

digzee wrote:So your going to compare a man who moved to America 10 years ago to a family who move there 200 years ago? Is that the same to you? When David Beckham moved to America to play for LA Galaxy would you say he was an American too?

those are both dumbass responses. is beckham a citizen? does he maintain an address in his
old country? where does he call home? is beckham 200 years old? i realize that i am probably
being dragged into the weeds by one of these beligerant internet life suckers, but we have
members of congress right now born in japan (hirono of hawaii), taiwan (lieu of california),
mexico (ruiz of california), guatemala (torres of california), CUBA (sires of new jersey),
CUBA (lehtenen of florida). are you saying those members of the united states congress
are not americans, you dope? there is a process called naturalization. they are naturalized
american citizens. how dumb are you? i'm talking about united states citizens who have
lived most of their lives and had their whole pro careers in the united states. to this day they
identify ethnically with the place where they were born, but they are americans. my uncle
was born and raised in cuba. he is a naturalized american. my mother was raised in another
country. 2 of my brothers' wives were born in other countries and so was my x. all americans.

upon recieving citizenship, they raised their hand and swore an oath:
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

digzee wrote:Actually thinking about this logically you are correct, I was thinking about this more in a football sense as you cant play for another nation once you have played for 1 country. It still doesn't mean I agree that a Cuban boxer who goes to America to box professionally because he cant in his own country is American after 5 years of being there...

sucracristo wrote:

digzee wrote:Actually thinking about this logically you are correct, I was thinking about this more in a football sense as you cant play for another nation once you have played for 1 country. It still doesn't mean I agree that a Cuban boxer who goes to America to box professionally because he cant in his own country is American after 5 years of being there...

you know what? i apologize. there was probably a better way of saying what i said and
i don't like other people disrespecting each other, so it's not right for me to get impatient
with people, either. i like coming on here just to read about the sport and post my own
dumb opinions about it, so maybe it's time to stretch out and go for a jog and wish
all the boxrecers a good evening.

Energizer wrote:Imagine if the top eastern european/irish/cuban weterweight amateurs turned pro.. USA would be an even bigger joke than they are already.