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jujigatame wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Ugh, instead of the Golovkin/Canelo fight that the whole world wants to see, we get to spin our wheels for another 6 months with Canelo/Monroe and Golovkin/Johnson.

This is the problem with boxing.

This is the problem with WBC and Canelo.

No, it's a problem for the whole sport. This isn't unique to this situation. It happens all the damn time.

Correct, but ABC orgs are the ones to blame. If they were enforcing their rules like "normal" sport federations do, then promoters/managers/advisers/boxers would have to comply.

I dont mind Monroe vs Alvarez one bit. It's a solid fight against a contender. If Monroe wants to agree to a catchweight thats his choice.

Alvarez vs Rosado is not something that should be in a conversation let alone a ring in 2016. Rosado has took a lot of punishment, he is not championship level, he is at best a mid level gatekeeper in his career. Matching him against Saul is dangerous.

ikorolev wrote:

jujigatame wrote:

ikorolev wrote:
This is the problem with WBC and Canelo.

No, it's a problem for the whole sport. This isn't unique to this situation. It happens all the damn time.

Correct, but ABC orgs are the ones to blame. If they were enforcing their rules like "normal" sport federations do, then promoters/managers/advisers/boxers would have to comply.

Except the ABCs have no real authority and add no value. If Canelo and Golovkin fought without any belts on the line, would the PPV buyrate be any lower? If Golovkin got stripped of a title in order to fight someone worthy instead of Tureano Johnson, would the HBO ratings be any lower?

More fighters and promoters need to grow balls and stop giving the ABCs any respect.

ikorolev wrote:Where exactly did I criticize Canelo? I just said that there is no way Monroe can beat him. I was actually unhappy every time GGG fought somebody feather-fisted which included both Monroe and Murray, as there is absolutely no way except an injury those guys could beat Gennady. Geale was ok just because he is a former champion. I am more excited about fights like Lemieux or even Rubio where opponents have at least puncher's chance.

For the record i never claimed you criticized Canelo but I did create the idea that you had given GGG a pass for facing Monroe (Please show me where you were being critical of Golovkin facing him because I never saw anything but praise from you for Triple G) but you made this comment I found in regards to Canelo facing Monroe:

ikorolev wrote:
http://boxingjunkie.com/2016/01/04/will ... varez-may/?

I bet that if the choice is between those two, then Canelo will pick feather-fisted Monroe. Even if Monroe lasts 12 rounds, there is no risk for Canelo to lose, as he always has 1-2 pocket judges.

Oh and come to think of it, in that last sentence that is being critical but it's also making an assumption with no facts to back it up. Do you have any PROOF that Canelo has 1-2 Judges in his pocket???

And please do not forget to provide the proof of you being critical of GGG facing Monroe back when they were going to fight.

Thanks, the forum is waiting to see your responses to the things I stated above.

We're waiting..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Don't be ridiculous. What proof do you want? Written statements from Canelo or DLH?

Just look at scores against Trout, Mayweather, Lara, Cotto. At least one card is always absolutely off.

ikorolev wrote:Don't be ridiculous. What proof do you want? Written statements from Canelo or DLH?

Just look at scores against Trout, Mayweather, Lara, Cotto. At least one card is always absolutely off.

If want you to show me pay stubs, pictures or video of him giving them money or something other than you just saying it. So I guess you think everyone is just supposed to take your word for it and you are calling me ridiculous!!

Still you claimed you weren't being critical of him and yet you are and with NO proof whatsoever and you criticized him for taking Monroe but you said nothing even remotely about GGG facing Willie.

Double standard??

I'd say yes!!

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Don't be ridiculous. What proof do you want? Written statements from Canelo or DLH?

Just look at scores against Trout, Mayweather, Lara, Cotto. At least one card is always absolutely off.

If want you to show me pay stubs, pictures or video of him giving them money or something other than you just saying it. So I guess you think everyone is just supposed to take your word for it and you are calling me ridiculous!!

Still you claimed you weren't being critical of him and yet you are and with NO proof whatsoever and you criticized him for taking Monroe but you said nothing even remotely about GGG facing Willie.

Double standard??

I'd say yes!!

I am not going to waste time looking for my old posts just to prove something to you.

Anyway, do you not see a difference between Canelo who everybody wants to fight and Golovkin people are hiding from?

ikorolev wrote:I am not going to waste time looking for my old posts just to prove something to you.

Anyway, do you not see a difference between Canelo who everybody wants to fight and Golovkin people are hiding from?

Just as I thought you'd do, you could not quantify your biased remarks so you made up an excuse to duck out of this debate.

I'll bite on your next question; here are my thoughts>>>First off Canelo isn't afraid of GGG. I do believe that GBP is trying to milk Canelo's new MW title in order to make some extra bucks in between before he risk what many of us (present party included) believe that GGG will put an end to Saul's reign.

I like both fighters, their fans however can be quite a nuisance because either or are too biased but I'm always fair so I'm just calling it how I see it.

We know though that Canelo outside of Pacquiao may have the best resume in the sport out of active fighters and has sparred with Triple G may times so we know it isn't out of fear that he isn't facing him, this is about milking the cow.

This is where you look like an imbecile 49&0, kbb, brut, kooli, etc etc how ANY judge could have given Canelo a draw against floyd is beyond belief, the scores against cotto were ridiculous, you need to pull your head out of your arse and smell something other than your breath

Pureist wrote:This is where you look like an imbecile 49&0, kbb, brut, kooli, etc etc how ANY judge could have given Canelo a draw against floyd is beyond belief, the scores against cotto were ridiculous, you need to pull your head out of your arse and smell something other than your breath

For you to sit here and say I look like an imbecile that would mean that you have to have CONCRETE PROOF that Canelo paid off a Judge, do you have any PROOF?? Pull your head outta your @$$, you have nothing but conjecture and insults.

Who's looking like an imbecile now??

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Pureist wrote:This is where you look like an imbecile 49&0, kbb, brut, kooli, etc etc how ANY judge could have given Canelo a draw against floyd is beyond belief, the scores against cotto were ridiculous, you need to pull your head out of your arse and smell something other than your breath

For you to sit here and say I look like an imbecile that would mean that you have to have CONCRETE PROOF that Canelo paid off a Judge, do you have any PROOF?? Pull your head outta your @$$, you have nothing but conjecture and insults.

Who's looking like an imbecile now??

A person who asks for a proof in such matter looks like an imbecile.

Canelo easily beats both guys. Monroe is the tougher opponent because of his speed, movement and boxing ability but Canelo would wear him down. Rosado would have no shot. Dont be fooled by his win over midget Clottey who looked like a little kid fighting Rosado who was way too damn big for him. Canelo beats up Rosado but Gabe is Hollywood now and just wants the check anyway.

Rosado getting a middleweight championship fight is deplorable. Period. Monroe is bad too, but for Rosado after his last 5 to get one and for HBO to approve it is a complete waste.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Pureist wrote:This is where you look like an imbecile 49&0, kbb, brut, kooli, etc etc how ANY judge could have given Canelo a draw against floyd is beyond belief, the scores against cotto were ridiculous, you need to pull your head out of your arse and smell something other than your breath

For you to sit here and say I look like an imbecile that would mean that you have to have CONCRETE PROOF that Canelo paid off a Judge, do you have any PROOF?? Pull your head outta your @$$, you have nothing but conjecture and insults.

Who's looking like an imbecile now??

You still, always you imbecile

Heiland or Alfonso Blanco in South America?
Dom Wade, Ievgen Khytrov, Antoine Douglas or Tureano Johnson in the States?
I think these would be better fights to make...

wesshaw1985 wrote:Heiland or Alfonso Blanco in South America?
Dom Wade, Ievgen Khytrov, Antoine Douglas or Tureano Johnson in the States?
I think these would be better fights to make...

Rosado and Monroe have bigger names, because they fought Golovkin (Rosado has more exposure), and they are the of same level as Wade, Douglas and Johnson. Neither DLH, nor Haymon will risk putting Canelo and Khytrov against each other.

Pureist wrote:You still, always you imbecile

Honestly dude, i don't know what your problem is with me. I said nothing even remotely insulting to you and you just came here to lace up the forum and start sh*t with me because I made you look like you are (stupid).

Have a nice day, no need to be a turd because you came out looking like an imbecile.

ikorolev wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:Heiland or Alfonso Blanco in South America?
Dom Wade, Ievgen Khytrov, Antoine Douglas or Tureano Johnson in the States?
I think these would be better fights to make...

Rosado and Monroe have bigger names, because they fought Golovkin (Rosado has more exposure), and they are the of same level as Wade, Douglas and Johnson. Neither DLH, nor Haymon will risk putting Canelo and Khytrov against each other.

Yeah, he's not going to fight GGG for a while at any rate.

If he fights these guys at 160, he's going to look a right prick.

Why do the so called elite guys need soft touches if they only fight twice a year? WTF Bogus bunch of bs. Monroe or Rosado are not worthy opponents at 155 or 160, imo.

Badhusker wrote:Why do the so called elite guys need soft touches if they only fight twice a year? WTF Bogus bunch of bs. Monroe or Rosado are not worthy opponents at 155 or 160, imo.

Who is MUCH better than Monroe and Rosado? Did you expect Canelo to duck Golovkin but fight somebody posing real danger?

If he fights them at 160, it will show that his tiny ballz started growing.

ikorolev wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Why do the so called elite guys need soft touches if they only fight twice a year? WTF Bogus bunch of bs. Monroe or Rosado are not worthy opponents at 155 or 160, imo.

Who is MUCH better than Monroe and Rosado? Did you expect Canelo to duck Golovkin but fight somebody posing real danger?

If he fights them at 160, it will show that his tiny ballz started growing.

IF it is at full 160, I would prefer Monroe over Rosado, but would prefer a top 10 guy over either. One of the Charlo brothers, or Andrade would actually be my first pick if not a top 10 guy from 160. All of these guys have fought above the super welterweight/Jr middle a time or two and would be much more competitive.

Because GGG will beat the ever loving sht out of him