Open talk; stress on boxing administration in modern
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ImranSarwar
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^ ^ give u some "pointers" here first up. Do a ratings....that's good!LOT OF WORK,TOO! With the UWBCAFO-I the echelons CAN NOT MIX. READ ME: "CAN NOT MIX". You can not even "mix" with a group outside of the '2e' because/ "they" are gonna follow NO RULES AT ALL. "Rules" form us.
Rate Tyson Fury OR Deontay Wilder 1ST but no way can you have them a hold on what you have "pronounced" here! But....put two top available guys together. Your web site looks "terrific". You are UP that way!
[I can take it to the Jerry Quarry Foundation "letters" --very small community-- and I will "explain"//they pick a straw-vote on the "WHO"]
The "best" you can hope for with ME//it is gonna be that you UNITE STRONGLY THE "2e" and then....do a NON-TITLE MATCH between two fighters. Of course, "no such thing" as Non-Title at H.//so.....one fighter gonna WIN. And if it is your '2e' he is gonna change ship. He will take up the "established recognition" & -drop- yours and the others he has won //'2e'. [Then, you "match" for VAC].
You could do some non-title 15 rounders possibly as you come along.
You like I spell out our exact for you?
You have to "understand" how this WHOLE zips effecting THE SPORT > World wide <//// It has to STOP... "World titles being offered".
"Second Echelon" world championship is a "real deal". But you have to LIGHT IT UP WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE! Value: "Five USA States" value. & I am "strict" on my Cruiserweights rule. You have to either take OUT the "Cruiserweight weight div." -OR- Reset the weight to 195/190 "champions choice"//& VAC = 190. [you realize why I do this, hey?]
I have "introduction rules". WBC WBA IBF WBO are the REAL WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS/ YES NICE IF THEY "UNITE". But.....with the kind of $ involved WHY should two boxers meet if they are being offered only 1.99 & 1.16 respectively when....obviously the match is "worth" about 6$ & 2.00 respectively.
Rate Tyson Fury OR Deontay Wilder 1ST but no way can you have them a hold on what you have "pronounced" here! But....put two top available guys together. Your web site looks "terrific". You are UP that way!
[I can take it to the Jerry Quarry Foundation "letters" --very small community-- and I will "explain"//they pick a straw-vote on the "WHO"]
The "best" you can hope for with ME//it is gonna be that you UNITE STRONGLY THE "2e" and then....do a NON-TITLE MATCH between two fighters. Of course, "no such thing" as Non-Title at H.//so.....one fighter gonna WIN. And if it is your '2e' he is gonna change ship. He will take up the "established recognition" & -drop- yours and the others he has won //'2e'. [Then, you "match" for VAC].
You could do some non-title 15 rounders possibly as you come along.
You like I spell out our exact for you?
You have to "understand" how this WHOLE zips effecting THE SPORT > World wide <//// It has to STOP... "World titles being offered".
"Second Echelon" world championship is a "real deal". But you have to LIGHT IT UP WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE! Value: "Five USA States" value. & I am "strict" on my Cruiserweights rule. You have to either take OUT the "Cruiserweight weight div." -OR- Reset the weight to 195/190 "champions choice"//& VAC = 190. [you realize why I do this, hey?]
I have "introduction rules". WBC WBA IBF WBO are the REAL WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS/ YES NICE IF THEY "UNITE". But.....with the kind of $ involved WHY should two boxers meet if they are being offered only 1.99 & 1.16 respectively when....obviously the match is "worth" about 6$ & 2.00 respectively.
Re: Open talk; stress on boxing administration in modern
Well this was just like reading Kronks posts. Except that Kronk is bit more articulate
Makes me think where Kronk is now. Maybe in some homemade bunker riding out the latest doomsday
I am all for fewer ABC titles. All thou I am also bit worried about giving too much power in hands of too few people. We have seen too much of that lately anyways.
Makes me think where Kronk is now. Maybe in some homemade bunker riding out the latest doomsday
I am all for fewer ABC titles. All thou I am also bit worried about giving too much power in hands of too few people. We have seen too much of that lately anyways.
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Datsue
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Wait, what? Which one's Bill, Imran or GodofBoxing?
Or is he both, & swapping between accounts to answer questions?
& when did lefty get outed as boxingya? & who else is hiding under a psuedonym here?
Or is he both, & swapping between accounts to answer questions?
& when did lefty get outed as boxingya? & who else is hiding under a psuedonym here?
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ImranSarwar
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Re: Open talk; stress on boxing administration in modern
Heretic: I am ON WHAT YOU SAY. We do have trust PEOPLE! To an extent!Heretic wrote: I am all for fewer ABC titles. All thou I am also bit worried about giving too much power in hands of too few people. We have seen too much of that lately anyways.
I am trying to "echelon" the Sport you understand? '1e'/ '2e' with very simple\yet comprehensive rules base. Most part I am here only to REEL IN the '2e'.
I cut it off after the WBC WBA IBF & WBO. What I am working for/since Match/2007 is The Wise!
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ImranSarwar
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Re: Open talk; stress on boxing administration in modern
Exclusive email [email protected] my cell (in USA only please) 860-515-7680 but,
It's gonna go out I'm afraid...
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Re: Open talk; stress on boxing administration in modern
give u some "pointers" here first up. Do a ratings....that's good!LOT OF WORK,TOO! With the UWBCAFO-I the echelons CAN NOT MIX. READ ME: "CAN NOT MIX". You can not even "mix" with a group outside of the '2e' because/ "they" are gonna follow NO RULES AT ALL. "Rules" form us.
Rate Tyson Fury OR Deontay Wilder 1ST but no way can you have them a hold on what you have "pronounced" here! But....put two top available guys together. Your web site looks "terrific". You are UP that way!...
[I can take it
You guys know what doubletalk is? That feller is writing in doubletalk.
Wikipedia: "Doubletalk, double talk, or double-talk may refer to: Double-talk, speech including nonsense syllables that appears erudite."
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ImranSarwar
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Re: Open talk; stress on boxing administration in modern
You guys know what doubletalk is? That feller is writing in doubletalk[/quote]
Guy! I am talking to Lennox here. If you take your sweet time rather than RACE TO JUDGEMENT. Lennox involved with the IBO.
By the way, '1e' = "first echelon" & '2e' = "second echelon". What I work at here is to SIMPLE to be (as you put it) "Doublehtalk".
Maybe you are an "Agent" for the IBO, WBU, WBF? NBA (yes, their is a boxing "NBA")
Dude, maybe I could SAY IT MORE TIGHT but, all in all I think I do get my message across. & we are talking Boxing Admimistration here what sort of understanding do YOU HAVE of Boxing Administration?
Guy! I am talking to Lennox here. If you take your sweet time rather than RACE TO JUDGEMENT. Lennox involved with the IBO.
By the way, '1e' = "first echelon" & '2e' = "second echelon". What I work at here is to SIMPLE to be (as you put it) "Doublehtalk".
Maybe you are an "Agent" for the IBO, WBU, WBF? NBA (yes, their is a boxing "NBA")
Dude, maybe I could SAY IT MORE TIGHT but, all in all I think I do get my message across. & we are talking Boxing Admimistration here what sort of understanding do YOU HAVE of Boxing Administration?
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ImranSarwar
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Re: Open talk; stress on boxing administration in modern
The things I put TO LENNOX here really I haven't completely explained it all. YOU CAN SEE HOW IT HAS BEEN WEEKS AND HE HASN'T > YET < RESPONDED. I "complimented" him on the TECHNOLOGY of his WEBSITE. But....what he is doing is bringing up again ADDITTIONAL '2e' potential.Heretic wrote:Well this was just like reading Kronks posts. Except that Kronk is bit more articulate
Appears to me at this point that he WISH only to bring his organization into the realm of the STANDARD OF WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING. WBC/ WBA -PAUSE- +IBF -PAUSE- +WBO -PAUSE- +IBO.
I am SIMPLY....drawing a LINE AFTER THE WBO and the difference is a ECHELONING EFFECT.
I am willing to take it from the top and get into the -SIMPLE- "FORM" of our rules base.
UWBCAFO-I/ EST. March/2007
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Ilya Muromets
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Dear GodofBoxing: Your primary echeloning of the status of the boxification vis-a-vis Lenox Lewis vs. IBF relative to the rules of boxing and so forth reductifies to the primary if not elementary reports that emanate from the same. Do you not agree?
I can play the doubletalk game too.
I can play the doubletalk game too.
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ImranSarwar
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Re: Open talk; stress on boxing administration in modern
[quote="x2x"]Dear x2x: you are being irrelavent. & a "pest" only. I don't know what else to say to you, really!
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Re: Open talk; stress on boxing administration in modern
Damn I smell so much crap I think I need to light a candle.
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ImranSarwar
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^ ^ Concerning conversation at Lennox OF THE BOXREC FORUM.....he came with a conversation, then never picks up the ball again. Obviously his mind is on other matters. When I talk to HIM, I know full well that it's a TWO WAY CONVERSATION and it takes TWO TO PLAY, AS WELL. I wish to talk "friendly" with him but...I don't know what I have in front of me yet. As far as the mates "habits". So that is why I try to bait him. But thus far, it's a "dead conversation" at his.
I'm still gonna push my UWBCAFO-I though. & if I get a little bit of revenue will buy-up a "potential second echelon organization" and run that bonifide '2e'.
The bottom line as far as the SPORT is concerned is that the continued GROWTH of additional boxing governing bodies has hurt and is hurting the SPORT.
Boxing used to be equal with baseball in United States. Now look how the print media treats it. & I believe it's all on account the SPORT "Shoots itself in the FOOT"! We delute our existence.
I have +45 years in boxing. It has always been my interest.
I'm still gonna push my UWBCAFO-I though. & if I get a little bit of revenue will buy-up a "potential second echelon organization" and run that bonifide '2e'.
The bottom line as far as the SPORT is concerned is that the continued GROWTH of additional boxing governing bodies has hurt and is hurting the SPORT.
Boxing used to be equal with baseball in United States. Now look how the print media treats it. & I believe it's all on account the SPORT "Shoots itself in the FOOT"! We delute our existence.
I have +45 years in boxing. It has always been my interest.
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ImranSarwar
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Wash your hands after YOU PICK YOUR TOES. That will help you!tiny_acres wrote:Damn I smell so much crap I think I need to light a candle.
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Ilya Muromets
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Re: Open talk; stress on boxing administration in modern
GodOfBoxing wrote:x2x wrote:Dear x2x: you are being irrelavent. & a "pest" only. I don't know what else to say to you, really!
Three choices:
1. You are doing the vaudeville doubletalk routine
2. You are trying to spam the place
3. You are nutty as a fruitcake
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ImranSarwar
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This thread is about my organization, the UNITED WBC WBA IBF WBO (dash) I. The "I" represents all the organizations governing the world championships outside of the FIRST &MAJOR FOUR. UWBCAFO-I/ Est.March/2007.
I "echelon" the Sport. We deal only with MEN'S SIDE OF BOXING a.t.t., and we deal ONLY with world championships. We don't care if a WBU and a WBA "intercontinental" championship were joined. Our first rule of thumb is that the "echelons" don't mix.
A "second echelon" world title has the VALUE of approx FIVE [5] U.S.A. States. Of course they must USE TRUTH IN ADVERTISING. The promos need to LIGHT IT UP what we are dealing with here.
I have more to say about what this work is about.
The "DUDE" who say here he "smells stink" & I tell him it could be HIS OWN "SOCKS"!, it's > distraction < only.
I "echelon" the Sport. We deal only with MEN'S SIDE OF BOXING a.t.t., and we deal ONLY with world championships. We don't care if a WBU and a WBA "intercontinental" championship were joined. Our first rule of thumb is that the "echelons" don't mix.
A "second echelon" world title has the VALUE of approx FIVE [5] U.S.A. States. Of course they must USE TRUTH IN ADVERTISING. The promos need to LIGHT IT UP what we are dealing with here.
I have more to say about what this work is about.
The "DUDE" who say here he "smells stink" & I tell him it could be HIS OWN "SOCKS"!, it's > distraction < only.
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ImranSarwar
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[quote="x2x"][quote="GodOfBoxing"][quote="x2x"]Dear x2x]
O.K., you done now? I have to just IGNORE YOU from here in out. You are contributing nothing at all!
O.K., you done now? I have to just IGNORE YOU from here in out. You are contributing nothing at all!
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ImranSarwar
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Lennox, of the BoxRec forum formed the Premier Boxing Organisation [PBO] http://www.premierboxingorganisation.com[/quote][/quote]
^ ^ See our complete conversation on page one of this stream.
IF YOU look into his stuff he has pronounced basically, the "major people" PBO world champs of the current standing. He has TYSON FURY the IBO 'H' champ. TYSON FURY to date has the WBA & THE WBO. He did- have the IBF but, "politics played in" and that was taken/of which a little known Charles Martin is champ there//now!
The "IBO" (the 5TH group; the...."Johnny come lately" and the exclusion with our WORK!) I didn't see that mentioned in the print medias I have read. But....lately I see TFury "credited" w/IBO. [He will be a "much greater lord...." trash that "deal"!IF HE DOESN'T?Will show ignorance\that's ALL!]
So......The PBO NOW jumps into things and, as I've pointed out...they "pronounce" champions with already the 'strong recognition. But WHAT THEY SHOULD DO INSTEAD.. match two boxers with available high status who are not already holding anything of the FIRST &MAJOR FOUR!
And their rankings.. Contenders list: If they are a FIRST &MAJOR FOUR champ, like Tyson Fury & Deontay Wilder.....then include them in the RANKINGS, but, list "distinctly: CH: VAC
#1) (TYSON FURY, England)
#2) (DEONTAY WILDER, USA)
#3) ALEXANDER POVOTOKIN, RUSSIA, GERMANY, USA
a.s.o!!!a.s.o. a.s.o!!!
And they LEAD OFF with this '2e' UWBCAFO-I label & idea.
SECOND ECHELON WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.
PBO Est. February/2016 (value: five USA States)
& they inundate their "People" with the poop of what the '2e' is a FUNCTION OF.
That IS NOT BAD FOR THE SPORT!
But! If LENNOX thinks he is gonna add a 12 th governing organization without this specific pronounciation the guy, well..just isn't 'smart'!
I have never allowed "MONEY" to dictate to me what I will or will not do with my loyalties!
^ ^ See our complete conversation on page one of this stream.
IF YOU look into his stuff he has pronounced basically, the "major people" PBO world champs of the current standing. He has TYSON FURY the IBO 'H' champ. TYSON FURY to date has the WBA & THE WBO. He did- have the IBF but, "politics played in" and that was taken/of which a little known Charles Martin is champ there//now!
The "IBO" (the 5TH group; the...."Johnny come lately" and the exclusion with our WORK!) I didn't see that mentioned in the print medias I have read. But....lately I see TFury "credited" w/IBO. [He will be a "much greater lord...." trash that "deal"!IF HE DOESN'T?Will show ignorance\that's ALL!]
So......The PBO NOW jumps into things and, as I've pointed out...they "pronounce" champions with already the 'strong recognition. But WHAT THEY SHOULD DO INSTEAD.. match two boxers with available high status who are not already holding anything of the FIRST &MAJOR FOUR!
And their rankings.. Contenders list: If they are a FIRST &MAJOR FOUR champ, like Tyson Fury & Deontay Wilder.....then include them in the RANKINGS, but, list "distinctly: CH: VAC
#1) (TYSON FURY, England)
#2) (DEONTAY WILDER, USA)
#3) ALEXANDER POVOTOKIN, RUSSIA, GERMANY, USA
a.s.o!!!a.s.o. a.s.o!!!
And they LEAD OFF with this '2e' UWBCAFO-I label & idea.
SECOND ECHELON WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.
PBO Est. February/2016 (value: five USA States)
& they inundate their "People" with the poop of what the '2e' is a FUNCTION OF.
That IS NOT BAD FOR THE SPORT!
But! If LENNOX thinks he is gonna add a 12 th governing organization without this specific pronounciation the guy, well..just isn't 'smart'!
I have never allowed "MONEY" to dictate to me what I will or will not do with my loyalties!
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ImranSarwar
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^ ^ "PBO"/ excuse me! "SAME THING SO FAR, THOUGH".... MORE FRAUD! MORE DIS-SERVICE. Some people interested in "FOOLISH WAY" to gain PAY CHECK!
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ImranSarwar
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^ ^ AND THE VERY "MINUTE" someone SIGNS to FIGHT for a FIRST &MAJOR FOUR... You then give them the same "distinction" in the ratings.
#3) (ALEXANDER POVETIKIN)
#3) (ALEXANDER POVETIKIN)
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ImranSarwar
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^ ^ ^ ^ "potential "second echelon" boxing entity.GodOfBoxing wrote:Lennox, of the BoxRec forum formed the Premier Boxing Organisation [PBO] http://www.premierboxingorganisation.com
Governing by the UWBCAFO-I/Est.March/2007
John Wilkinson/ BoxRec handle: GodOfBoxing New Britain, CT.
Re: Open talk; stress on boxing administration in modern
The PBO Premier Boxing Organisation is merely a lineal rating of the top 100 in each division.
If you believe the accuracy of the ratings it shows who is best in the world in each division, also you can find the best European, South American, Asian...define what you want.
You could make the case the PBO is anti all sanctioning bodies. I am not personally against them.
PBO does not sanction fights.
www.premierboxingorganisation.com
If you believe the accuracy of the ratings it shows who is best in the world in each division, also you can find the best European, South American, Asian...define what you want.
You could make the case the PBO is anti all sanctioning bodies. I am not personally against them.
PBO does not sanction fights.
www.premierboxingorganisation.com
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ImranSarwar
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WELL. That is neutral. Lennox you used to work FOR the IBO. Many years you say! I told you how long I have STUDIED/FOLLOWED BOXING! You gave me YOUR "enlistment time". It's all right here in the pages!Lennox wrote:The PBO Premier Boxing Organisation is merely a lineal rating of the top 100 in each division.
If you believe the accuracy of the ratings it shows who is best in the world in each division, also you can find the best European, South American, Asian...define what you want.
You could make the case the PBO is anti all sanctioning bodies. I am not personally against them.
PBO does not sanction fights.
Their is NO USE being, "anti all governance". What then? Then magazines would rule boxing.
The only problems are the problems I have identified.
I went thru your LINKS LIST YESTERDAY. 1-23-16 and I made a one pass newsletter to PRESS MY CASE. Guess what! Dean Smith called me. DO YOU RECOGNIZE THE NAME? He is "VERY VERY VERY GOOD & SWEET GUY!" American Boxing Association. Interested only in the FIGHTER and TITLES AT USA LEVELS! So that is "good!"
1) you have your lh champ name misspelled you do! 2)"Ratings" is always good! "Different" than calling your OWN CHAMPIONS! Like what "BoxRec" does.
It would be O.K. if you did start your own "governance" just so long as you LINED THEM UP PROPERLY!
Back to our original..IBO "HARMS" the SPORT on a world wide level. Their ISN'T ROOM FOR THEM -I- DON'T ACCEPT THEM. & - I - AM NOT ALONE IN THAT REGARD!
You are not really doing anything with what you project (conversation) w/ me!
No man! What I have with the UWBCAFO-I is a brilliant idea! Past due!
Too many governance groups RUINING THE SPORT! We "echelon". SIMPLE! Obviously I have drawn that LINE properly! IBO won't LIKE! But that is "really too bad". Yes I like "making FRIENDS!" BUT, not sacrificing my righteous WORK! I call this EXACTLY how it needs to be called!
Buying a '2e' better that make from scratch. PBO gonna look from "outside view" like more of Over population!
http://www.premierboxingorganisation.com[/quote]
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If Godofboxing and Imramsarwar aren't one and the same I'll eat my hat. There can't be two of them!
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ImranSarwar
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Imran Sarwar is MY BOSS. John Wilkinson NEW BRITAIN, CT. I set that account up for him. "Yup", I have USED the account. But....you don't see fraud do you, Farmer(?)
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ImranSarwar
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Lennox, EVEN IF IT NEVER COMES THAT THE FOUR ORGANIZATIONS CAN > UNIFY < DON'T YOU AGREE THAT --STILL-- WE AUGHT TO ALWAYS WORK AT BEST LEVELS POSSIBLE.Lennox wrote:I agree 1 organisation is better but it is not going to happen. So I think the more the better as each dilutes the other 'titles'. I don't think it really matters anymore with the WBA having 3 champions at each weight, the WBC, IBF, IBO and WBO make 7 champions in most weight classes, let it be 8 or 9 it does not matter. We are getting lots of unifications, boxing is on the up at the moment.
This is my work now. I formed the Premier Boxing Organisation with a few others. http://www.premierboxingorganisation.com
I'LL LEAVE >>YOUR PERSON<< WITH THAT "THOUGHT!"
Seem your "theory" wreckless. Go back and look at what you say! I am "no status que baby", Baby! I'm a leader in this. Have "enough age" on me. I KNOW the love, the study I have always put into it. UWBCAFO-I is the proper way to bring >BOXING< to now.