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keithmoonhangover wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:This is a fight of an overrated boxer that didn't had nothing to be awed about against one of the most important champions of the 20th century.

I can't see in my wildest dreams, a Lennox Lewis victory. No matter how I tried to look at it.

That's because you're completely biased towards Frazier, who you think could not be beaten by any heavyweight ever.

First, Lennox Lewis doesn't have the power to put a man like Smokin' Joe out. I don't think that Lewis hit harder than the great Muhammad Ali nor less Big George.

Second, I can't picture Smokin' Joe losing to bums like Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman. Can anybody in here picture that?

Third, the pressure man. That unbelievable pressure that Smokin' Joe would've put on him was something. The volume of punches that The Lion has to match with Frazier. I don't think Lewis has ever fought in a fight against man of that caliber. That he had to be throwing punches, a lot of punches to be in the fight.

Fourth, Lewis is too slow. In a 15 round fight, he is just surviving by holding and clutching. That's it. I don't see that he has techniques nor brutal power like Big George to keep Frazier out.

Fifth, If it's the Frazier of TFOC, the one that kicked The Greatest ass, forget it! I don't think Lewis beats that version of Ali.

Tomasino wrote:

ElJefe wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

Yes, the new genetic supermen, the so called 'super heaveyweights' have been nothing short of awesome since their arrival on earth

Did I say that? Idiot.

Pretty much. New generation of super heavyweights.

Yes, super heavyweights. As in the division we've seen in the Olympics since the 80s. I was clearly talking about the size difference. Didn't mention ability, skill or suggest that they were any better. Certainly didn't describe them as "awesome" either.

Joe Frazier, especially the 1971 version, probably has too much for Lennox. If he beats Ali he beat Lewis and almost everyone else too

Tomasino wrote:

ElJefe wrote:Worth remembering that Lewis was from a new generation of super heavyweights. A prime Lennox Lewis would have been something like 35lbs heavier than Joe Frazier, not to mention an 11" reach and 6" height advantage. Not saying that alone would be enough to win the fight, but in terms of size it wouldn't look too dissimilar to Lennox fighting someone like Lebedev or Glowacki. Whether Lennox would win or not, the size difference would have been a major factor no matter how the fight played out.

Yes, the new genetic supermen, the so called 'super heaveyweights' have been nothing short of awesome since their arrival on earth

I consider it the "Sloth" era of HW's.

Has there EVER been a more awkward looking fight than WK vs TF? They looked like a couple of albatrosses.

BoxBuzz wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

ElJefe wrote:Worth remembering that Lewis was from a new generation of super heavyweights. A prime Lennox Lewis would have been something like 35lbs heavier than Joe Frazier, not to mention an 11" reach and 6" height advantage. Not saying that alone would be enough to win the fight, but in terms of size it wouldn't look too dissimilar to Lennox fighting someone like Lebedev or Glowacki. Whether Lennox would win or not, the size difference would have been a major factor no matter how the fight played out.

Yes, the new genetic supermen, the so called 'super heaveyweights' have been nothing short of awesome since their arrival on earth

I consider it the "Sloth" era of HW's.

Has there EVER been a more awkward looking fight than WK vs TF? They looked like a couple of albatrosses.

I honestly don't think I've seen anything like it. Wladimir twitched and winced from mere gusts of wind and Fury was like a baby giraffe getting going walking for the first time. It was sad. Super heaveyweights indeed.

It was a pretty cowardly performance by Klitschko.

Tuan_Jim wrote:It was a pretty cowardly performance by Klitschko.

At first I was impressed by Furys movement and feints, obviously not many boxers bother with feinting these days so it was good to see it being used to effect. However what unfolded was simply unbelievable...whole rounds contested without meaningful punches being thrown never mind landed, a clearly gassed Fury shambling around in the late rounds whilst Wladimir looked on in frozen terror. I was disgusted by the end.

Watching live, while possibly inebriated, I really enjoyed it. The fight didn't stand up to a second viewing.

Tuan_Jim wrote:Watching live, while possibly inebriated, I really enjoyed it. The fight didn't stand up to a second viewing.

I hardly ever watch heavyweights nowadays. It's a sad sight the majority of the time.

I enjoyed seeing wlad get exposed again, but its one of the worst fights I've ever seen. No chance I'll watch the rematch.

BoxBuzz wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

ElJefe wrote:Worth remembering that Lewis was from a new generation of super heavyweights. A prime Lennox Lewis would have been something like 35lbs heavier than Joe Frazier, not to mention an 11" reach and 6" height advantage. Not saying that alone would be enough to win the fight, but in terms of size it wouldn't look too dissimilar to Lennox fighting someone like Lebedev or Glowacki. Whether Lennox would win or not, the size difference would have been a major factor no matter how the fight played out.

Yes, the new genetic supermen, the so called 'super heaveyweights' have been nothing short of awesome since their arrival on earth

I consider it the "Sloth" era of HW's.

Has there EVER been a more awkward looking fight than WK vs TF? They looked like a couple of albatrosses.

lol....perfectly put Buzz!

http://video.nationalgeographic.com/vid ... -albatross


Ok, check this out..... some real comparisons.....

They danced like this couple, they laid one giant egg like this couple, and my guess is the next GOOD HW will take either of them out, just like Jaws took care of business here.

Tuan_Jim wrote:Watching live, while possibly inebriated, I really enjoyed it. The fight didn't stand up to a second viewing.

I will never ever watch it a second time

First time I too was inebriated and also caught up in full fanboy fervour.
I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of that 12 rounder and could have gone the 15 round distance watching it.

I can only imagine watching it again, would completely spoil my memories of seeing a British fighter be crown undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, by being a long, drawn out, massively tedious, disappontment .

Tuan_Jim wrote:Frazier's pace & power would petrify Lewis. It would be like fighting a fit David Tua, with two arms, a brain, and who is trying to kill him.

X2

Frazier wins a un dec

davie wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:

Rexob wrote:Easy Lewis victory! playing with Frazier then Knocking him out.

Do you remember what happened when Lewis tried to play with Hasim Rahman? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inehc0s0rDs

As long as we're posting Youtube videos, does anyone think a 6'5" 245lb prime Lewis could display the power and accuracy to play with Joe the way a 6'3" 217lb Foreman did?

https://youtu.be/EtacibssAPg

No, not at all, because Lewis would not stand in the firing range and fire hooks and uppercuts into Joe like Foreman did. Lewis was a far more cautious fighter than Foreman ever was.

dempseyfire wrote:

davie wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote: Do you remember what happened when Lewis tried to play with Hasim Rahman? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inehc0s0rDs

As long as we're posting Youtube videos, does anyone think a 6'5" 245lb prime Lewis could display the power and accuracy to play with Joe the way a 6'3" 217lb Foreman did?

https://youtu.be/EtacibssAPg

No, not at all, because Lewis would not stand in the firing range and fire hooks and uppercuts into Joe like Foreman did. Lewis was a far more cautious fighter than Foreman ever was.

It's a lazy comparison, isn't it. No different than saying a 7'0'' 330lb Nikolay Valuev can blow out Razor Ruddock in 2 because a 6'5'' 230lb Lennox Lewis did it.

Lewis stayed so far away from fatsos like Lionel Butler and David Tua you would think they had leprosy. The idea of him jumping on Joe Frazier like George Foreman did is berserk.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:

davie wrote:
As long as we're posting Youtube videos, does anyone think a 6'5" 245lb prime Lewis could display the power and accuracy to play with Joe the way a 6'3" 217lb Foreman did?

https://youtu.be/EtacibssAPg

No, not at all, because Lewis would not stand in the firing range and fire hooks and uppercuts into Joe like Foreman did. Lewis was a far more cautious fighter than Foreman ever was.

It's a lazy comparison, isn't it. No different than saying a 7'0'' 330lb Nikolay Valuev can blow out Razor Ruddock in 2 because a 6'5'' 230lb Lennox Lewis did it.

Lewis stayed so far away from fatsos like Lionel Butler and David Tua you would think they had leprosy. The idea of him jumping on Joe Frazier like George Foreman did is berserk.

Any lazier than comparing Frazier with Rahman?

davie wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:
No, not at all, because Lewis would not stand in the firing range and fire hooks and uppercuts into Joe like Foreman did. Lewis was a far more cautious fighter than Foreman ever was.

It's a lazy comparison, isn't it. No different than saying a 7'0'' 330lb Nikolay Valuev can blow out Razor Ruddock in 2 because a 6'5'' 230lb Lennox Lewis did it.

Lewis stayed so far away from fatsos like Lionel Butler and David Tua you would think they had leprosy. The idea of him jumping on Joe Frazier like George Foreman did is berserk.

Any lazier than comparing Frazier with Rahman?

But in that instance, it's pointing out something an far interior fighter accomplished (Rahman) when discussing a hypothetical vs a far greater fighter (Frazier). Honestly Hasim Rahman would not have been hired as a Frazier sparring partner . . .

Boxing Writer wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

Rexob wrote:Easy Lewis victory! playing with Frazier then Knocking him out.

Playing with Joe Frazier? Unreal. Utterly unreal.

Lewis couldn't even play with a fatted 36 year old Mike Tyson.

...or Zelko Mavrovic, or Shannon Briggs.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:

davie wrote:
As long as we're posting Youtube videos, does anyone think a 6'5" 245lb prime Lewis could display the power and accuracy to play with Joe the way a 6'3" 217lb Foreman did?

https://youtu.be/EtacibssAPg

No, not at all, because Lewis would not stand in the firing range and fire hooks and uppercuts into Joe like Foreman did. Lewis was a far more cautious fighter than Foreman ever was.

It's a lazy comparison, isn't it. No different than saying a 7'0'' 330lb Nikolay Valuev can blow out Razor Ruddock in 2 because a 6'5'' 230lb Lennox Lewis did it.

Lewis stayed so far away from fatsos like Lionel Butler and David Tua you would think they had leprosy. The idea of him jumping on Joe Frazier like George Foreman did is berserk.

Of course it's different. Lennox Lewis was a world class boxer. Valuev was a joke.

elmersalsa wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:This is a fight of an overrated boxer that didn't had nothing to be awed about against one of the most important champions of the 20th century.

I can't see in my wildest dreams, a Lennox Lewis victory. No matter how I tried to look at it.

That's because you're completely biased towards Frazier, who you think could not be beaten by any heavyweight ever.

First, Lennox Lewis doesn't have the power to put a man like Smokin' Joe out. I don't think that Lewis hit harder than the great Muhammad Ali nor less Big George.

Second, I can't picture Smokin' Joe losing to bums like Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman. Can anybody in here picture that?

Third, the pressure man. That unbelievable pressure that Smokin' Joe would've put on him was something. The volume of punches that The Lion has to match with Frazier. I don't think Lewis has ever fought in a fight against man of that caliber. That he had to be throwing punches, a lot of punches to be in the fight.

Fourth, Lewis is too slow. In a 15 round fight, he is just surviving by holding and clutching. That's it. I don't see that he has techniques nor brutal power like Big George to keep Frazier out.

Fifth, If it's the Frazier of TFOC, the one that kicked The Greatest ass, forget it! I don't think Lewis beats that version of Ali.

Lennox Lewis punched much harder than Ali did & was much more physcially strong.

I'm not saying he was better, or that he would have beaten Ali (nor Frazier for that matter), but he certainly hit harder than Muhammad.

ElJefe wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:
No, not at all, because Lewis would not stand in the firing range and fire hooks and uppercuts into Joe like Foreman did. Lewis was a far more cautious fighter than Foreman ever was.

It's a lazy comparison, isn't it. No different than saying a 7'0'' 330lb Nikolay Valuev can blow out Razor Ruddock in 2 because a 6'5'' 230lb Lennox Lewis did it.

Lewis stayed so far away from fatsos like Lionel Butler and David Tua you would think they had leprosy. The idea of him jumping on Joe Frazier like George Foreman did is berserk.

Of course it's different. Lennox Lewis was a world class boxer. Valuev was a joke.

Lewis' mentality and style is as far removed from George Foreman's as Valuev's is from Lewis'. That was the painfully obvious point.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

ElJefe wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:
It's a lazy comparison, isn't it. No different than saying a 7'0'' 330lb Nikolay Valuev can blow out Razor Ruddock in 2 because a 6'5'' 230lb Lennox Lewis did it.

Lewis stayed so far away from fatsos like Lionel Butler and David Tua you would think they had leprosy. The idea of him jumping on Joe Frazier like George Foreman did is berserk.

Of course it's different. Lennox Lewis was a world class boxer. Valuev was a joke.

Lewis' mentality and style is as far removed from George Foreman's as Valuev's is from Lewis'. That was the painfully obvious point.

That still doesn't mean that it makes sense to compare what a great HW such as Lewis could to do Frazier to a complete bum like Valuev. To say there's "no difference" in comparing Foreman and Lewis vs Frazier to Lewis and Valuev vs Ruddock is ridiculous. Regardless of styles.

It was intended to be ridiculous, to make light of how ridiculous any Foreman/Lewis comparison is.

Whatever you write in response to this, the above sentence is my reply, again and again, forever until you understand it.