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big lennox wrote: Joshua, when hit by Whyte, reminded me of Frank Bruno getting stiffened by Jumbo Cumings. I think Hearn will persue the Martin route and then try and box Fury, who is not as big a puncher as Haye.

Really? Bruno was pretty much out on his feet and saved by the bell, AJ was far from being in serious trouble.

Hearn has made a wise choice. other than money there is no upside to a Haye fight now, it would be incredibly short term and short sighted option for Matchroom to take for there fighter.

Haye needs more fights himself before going in to deep. if he is out in april against a euro level fighter i will start to believe his comeback is for real and not just a 1 fight vanity show.

It is early for AJ to fight a world class operator yet. In a year time perhaps. Anyone criticizing team Joshua for not wanting to fight Haye now is out of his mind. You have to move up gradually.

Hearn makes perfect sense. IBF strap is there for the taking. Get it first, then make a big fight.

Expected as much, unfortunately. Hearn won't risk putting AJ in with Haye until he sees signs of ageing.

Counter-puncher wrote:Ultimately IMO, Team AJ/Uncrowned People's Champ/Camp Eddie are likely to avoid Haye and much more likely to chase Fury, for the exact same reason I expect Team Wilder to do the same. If AJ/Wilder lost to Fury it would likely be points and not too debilitating, *if* AJ/Wilder lost to Haye it would be a horrific KO resulting in hospitalisation.

I think Fury will beat Anthony

Controversial wrote:

big lennox wrote: Joshua, when hit by Whyte, reminded me of Frank Bruno getting stiffened by Jumbo Cumings. I think Hearn will persue the Martin route and then try and box Fury, who is not as big a puncher as Haye.

Really? Bruno was pretty much out on his feet and saved by the bell, AJ was far from being in serious trouble.

He wasn't in trouble, any of the top heavy weight getting that response from there opponent would have stopped Anthony imo, the thing that saved him was whytes inexperience.
however credit were its due for eventually recovering and doing his job

He's definetly work in progress , And DEFINETLY needs to improve , the skill improvement will come with sparring , training correctly , and the correct fights , he has plenty of time .. What really does concern me for this fella is the lack of mobility , he's so muscle bound and stiff , he really is a Bruno clone , I'm not privvy to whats being done in training , but if he's hitting them weights he needs to stop .. Wilder would Ko him its horses for courses and a good loose fighter with a punch will rock him too the bone ,, he'll look good for ever against the whytes of the world , who he can catch easy .. .

It does worry me his bulking up , some trainers don't seem to relize to much light weights very quickly turn into heavy weights and defeat the object , he has the natural build , he has the natural punch , he needs to loosen up and get quicker

Tuan_Jim wrote:Eddie Hearn says no to Joshua/Haye

fornicate me, I'm glad I was sat down when I read this. I might've died of shock.

Of course, Eddie Hearn says no. Now he's got a monopoly on Sky, he has very much gone down the allegedly style of booking.

Eddie Hearn can get enough people to pay tickets / PPV prices to watch Joshua beat journeymen. Those people would start disappearing if Joshua lost his 0.

He'll wait to take a risk, for somebody who has a title.

ILikeBeer wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:Eddie Hearn says no to Joshua/Haye

eff me, I'm glad I was sat down when I read this. I might've died of shock.

Of course, Eddie Hearn says no. Now he's got a monopoly on Sky, he has very much gone down the allegedly style of booking.

Eddie Hearn can get enough people to pay tickets / PPV prices to watch Joshua beat journeymen. Those people would start disappearing if Joshua lost his 0.

He'll wait to take a risk, for somebody who has a title.

On saying that, Haye could probably also make decent money out of beating people barely able to fight in front of thousands of fans and a DJ at the 02 Arena. How many people tuned in specifically because he was fighting on Dave?

We'll see how eager he is to take risks, as well.

Tuan_Jim wrote:Haye might find himself now, like Amir Khan, frozen out of the big fights.

I expect better from you. Haye still brings way too much money to be frozen out of anything.

Plus enough of the Joshua glass chin talk!

I think Haye is going to target Chagaev at the O2 when Ruslan beats Browne and claim a 'title'. It's not like Chagaev will have any better-paid options.

Haye can then waggle the paper title at Fury or Wilder and (s)talk himself into a fight.

simonwalsh wrote:Give Eddie plenty of poo but I think he's right here and the thread smacks of some posters here twisting on twenty one.

If AJ knocks seven bells out of Haye... "Uh that was poo, Haye was crap anyway, had 3-years off and fought no one so this should have been expected"

If Haye demolishes AJ... "It was way too soon for him should have fought someone else, only a 15-fight novice etc etc"

And what people bang on about here but likely 0.0% of people sit and say after a fight... "I'm just really glad they both got a massive pay day"

Perhaps it's just me, but Haye v Joshua does bollocks all for me if they were to make it any time in the first three quarters of 2016. Pulses will race when Haye's actually proved he's back to his best (or something resembling it) and Joshua has come through against better quality opponents.

In an nutshell.

Lets see Eddie Hearn's comments back tracking, I have a feeling there will be some funny youtube videos made on this subject.

Why do people think it would be better to lose on points than KO'd?

a defeat is a defeat, and there is no shame getting knocked out by David Haye. Just the same way there is no shame in getting outboxed by Tyson Fury.

WBA have now ordered a clean up of there HW scene.

The winner of Fury vs Wladamir must fight Ortiz.
The winner or Browne vs Chagaev must fight Oquendo.

The winners of these fights must fight each other to become THE WBA champion. Although the tiers are incredibly lopsided, i am so happy that hopefully starting with the HW division it looks as though the WBA may finally be sorting out the absolute mess they have created. Hopefully this happens as it makes for some interesting fights of sorts, tidies up a title, freezes any more undeserving current fighters (I'm looking at you, Mr Haye) from recieving a voluntary at there belt.

If Fury beats Wladamir he would have to defend against Ortiz next, very interesting on current form.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:Haye might find himself now, like Amir Khan, frozen out of the big fights.

I expect better from you. Haye still brings way too much money to be frozen out of anything.

Plus enough of the Joshua glass chin talk!

I think Haye is going to target Chagaev at the O2 when Ruslan beats Browne and claim a 'title'. It's not like Chagaev will have any better-paid options.

Haye can then waggle the paper title at Fury or Wilder and (s)talk himself into a fight.

The Khan analogy was just an unfinished thought I was floating.

As far as Ruslan Chagaev goes, would he pass a medical in this country? God only knows what horror is coursing through his veins. And does 1/3 of the WBA title really give anyone any leverage anyway? All Chagaev can bequeath Haye is a fragment of a tarnished crown that no one wants, a date with Luis Ortiz and a possible a health problem.

ILikeBeer wrote:Eddie Hearn can get enough people to pay tickets / PPV prices to watch Joshua beat journeymen. Those people would start disappearing if Joshua lost his 0.

Do you build a fighter or do you build a record?

Everyone and their nan knows AJ has no chance of beating Haye. No point beating around the bush he's simply not good enough (yet). I don't think he'll beat Fury either. In fact, there's not many top fighters out there that AJ could beat.

Haye, Fury, Wlad, Povetkin, Wilder, Pulev, Ortiz all beat AJ.

AJ is on level with fighters like Tony Thompson, Adamek, Chrisora, Malik Scott etc. That's the kind of fighters he should be aiming at. Everyones going to be going after Charles Martin like vultures. Fair play to the guy. He's going to get a huge payday as everyones going to want a peice. It's a case of who get's there first.

AJ would be safe with the IBF belt too. As Ed will make sure the IBF keep giving him bum after bum after bum mandatory like they do with Kel Brook.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:I wasn't implying Khan deserved anything. But I think most boxing fans would rather have had Mayweather/Khan than Mayweather/Berto, and Pac/Khan insteasd of Pac/Bradley XIV.

If Joshua is a genuine future heavyweight champ you would think he would be able to attend to a 35 year old cruiser who's only boxed 2 fights in 4 years.

The cruiserweight tag has for many years been used as a pejorative term for human-sized heavyweights. Amazing how many big modern heavies don't want to fight this 'small man'.

Hang on now. Joshua has had 15 fights against weak opposition, Haye is a two weight world champ, who has been around at top level longer than Joshua has been a pro - that's pretty warped logic.

Forget the size, Haye can bang as hard as anyone out there in the division, and he's a ruthless finisher. If he fought Joshua tomorrow, I'd make it a pick em fight, but Haye's experience would count for a lot. If either man landed big I wager it would be good night Bermondsey.

I dont doubt for 1 minute that Haye v Joshua this year would be a bad move for AJ. Haye can bang and as above Haye is a double world champ, with plenty of experience. AJ hasnt got that yet.

coneye wrote: It does worry me his bulking up , some trainers don't seem to relize to much light weights very quickly turn into heavy weights and defeat the object , he has the natural build , he has the natural punch , he needs to loosen up and get quicker

Couldn't agree more with this^

Lots of talk about Haye's weight in the forums (bear in mind Haye is now 35 and most of that weight will be age and also looked to be in his legs), I can't shake my concern with AJ's (and/or his teams) incessant need to bodybuild him up. It's taking away from his natural athleticism. They have to realise it's ok to be tall and slim (by comparison). Too much muscle on someone of AJ's natural build - becomes a lumbering muscle block, ready to be chopped down.

If he keeps trying to be Mr. Muscle; he will really be another Bruno for me. He should stick to what his body is - and let his unquestionable talent look to shine.

I think you're exaggerating the negative effects of carrying extra muscle. There's only two ways that I see it can negatively affect him.

1. Being heavier overall... regardless of whether it comes from muscle or fat, is likely to slow him down with having to carry more weight around. No different from an average featherweight being faster than your average middleweight.
2. Having to provide oxygen for all the muscle on his frame is likely to tire him quickly in the later rounds. Similar to what we've seen with Bruno, Haye, etc in the past.

The whole idea of becoming 'musclebound' is a myth. Joshua isn't losing any flexibility/hand speed etc from all that muscle. If anything, all the extra fast twitch fibres possibly increases the speed he does have.

He simply either started boxing too late to drill in any sort of smoothness to his work or he just lacks it naturally. There's a reason that most elite level boxers started training/fighting from their mid-teens onwards. Late starters at Heavyweight, like Joshua can make up the gap with their physical advantages, but few seem to become smooth, flashy 'boxers'.

i get what you guys are saying but in all fairness a 24 year old Fury signed to fight an active Haye in 2013 !

Altho 4 fights behind Fury from then ,he is 2 years older at 26 and olympic gold medalist , lets not forget Haye has been out of action for 3 years !
If AJ fancied it now would be the time and not when Haye got 3-4 fights back under him , goes to show you what type of man our man Fury is

Joshua is Eddie's prized toy at the moment. It may not be his best toy, but it is his favourite as it is the one he got most recently.

I don't see the point in this fight happening yet really, not sure Joshua would have an awful lot to gain from it. Haye has been out for a while before fighting an absolute joke opponent which hasn't really told us anything. If Joshua wins then people will say that Haye isn't the fighter of old, if he loses then it is a big step down. If Haye wins a couple more fights against some half decent oppo, then would be a good time to fight.

Batley18 wrote:Joshua is Eddie's prized toy at the moment. It may not be his best toy, but it is his favourite as it is the one he got most recently.
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in financial terms he's Camp Eddie's favourite, best, apex, super- toy.

CiganoBoxer wrote:i get what you guys are saying but in all fairness a 24 year old Fury signed to fight an active Haye in 2013 !

Altho 4 fights behind Fury from then ,he is 2 years older at 26 and olympic gold medalist , lets not forget Haye has been out of action for 3 years !
If AJ fancied it now would be the time and not when Haye got 3-4 fights back under him , goes to show you what type of man our man Fury is

Fury didn't have a weak world champion to aim at like Joshua has now, AJ is ranked high by the IBF and so it makes sense to try to capture that belt before facing Haye (or Fury for that matter)

CiganoBoxer wrote:i get what you guys are saying but in all fairness a 24 year old Fury signed to fight an active Haye in 2013 !

Altho 4 fights behind Fury from then ,he is 2 years older at 26 and olympic gold medalist , lets not forget Haye has been out of action for 3 years !
If AJ fancied it now would be the time and not when Haye got 3-4 fights back under him , goes to show you what type of man our man Fury is

All it tells us about the Fury of 2013 is that he needed a defining fight. Outside of the boxing community he was seen as a bit of a joke, known more for his antics than his boxing so he needed a big name more than Joshua does now.

As it is, he didn't need Haye after all as he's now the World Champion but there's a reason Fury was chasing Haye then and Joshua isn't now and it has nothing to do with how big a "man" either of them is.

billy nelson wrote: He wasn't in trouble, any of the top heavy weight getting that response from there opponent would have stopped Anthony imo, the thing that saved him was whytes inexperience. however credit were its due for eventually recovering and doing his job

Do you mean he was in trouble? I don't recall him being in any real trouble to be honest, at the end of the day any heavyweight hit flush by a big punching 17-18 stone man will feel it, I don't get the train of thought that to have a great chin you must be impervious to pain and able to take any punch your hit with. Plenty of great fighters have been hurt, dropped or knocked out in their careers.