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Sorry guys its all about opinions I just don't see what you all see! I'm not a fan of his style and didn't think kameda was any good either!

expe wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:

expe wrote: Fury?

In my opinion I thought it was Mcdonnell
Really rated his wins over Komeda.
I thought Ioka had a awesome year that was overlooked aswell really similar to Mcdonnell.

Do you mean British fighter of the year or World?

I thought he lost the second fight to Kameda to be honest, don't remember the first, think I might have turned it off in anger after they robbed Burns.

The Burns fight was afterwards silly bollocks.

Im pretty sure Sky showed the Burns fight first though

handsofstone wrote:Im pretty sure Sky showed the Burns fight first though

I think they did as I knew the result of Jamie's fight before it was shown.

Yeah, I remember being a bit cheesed off at the time because they didn't show the McDonnell fight live, opting instead to show a prospect in a knockover job from a UK show that was running at the same time.

Horse wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:I find it hard to give it Floyd and Tyson because they only had one win against top 10 opposition.

Mcdonnell had two granted they were the same person.

Fury and Floyd easily had the best wins of the year but I find to give someone best fighter on one win.

I had Ioka, Jack, Abraham, Golovkin and Gonzalez all having 2 top 10 wins.

Ioka, Jack, Abraham and McDonnell all had at least one very close fight last year, which they could have easily lost.

I had all of them losing or drawing one of last year's fights on my scorecard.

I think your system is flawed.

Like I said I understand I'm in the minority with Mcdonnell being fighter of the year.

I can't give someone FOTY based on one fight.

Even though people had it close I had him ahead in both fights which weights my opinion of him differently to other people who maybe had Kameda winning one or both.

As Gary Coleman said Different Strokes for Different Folks.

PredatorHayds wrote:Like I said I understand I'm in the minority with Mcdonnell being fighter of the year.

I can't give someone FOTY based on one fight.

Even though people had it close I had him ahead in both fights which weights my opinion of him differently to other people who maybe had Kameda winning one or both.

As Gary Coleman said Different Strokes for Different Folks.

You can do what you want, but you're unlikely to have your opinion taken seriously.

Sometimes one win is enough.

I thought McDonnell won the Kameda rematch comfortably.

I thought the first fight was competitive but fairly easy to score. I had it 114-113 to McDonnell, the same as all 3 judges. Thought McDonnell won the 2nd fight 115-112 as well, knockdown in the 12th put it beyond any doubt for me. Never seen Payano but I give McDonnell a good chance against anyone, can tell he really listens well to his trainer Dave Coldwell.

Horse wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:Like I said I understand I'm in the minority with Mcdonnell being fighter of the year.

I can't give someone FOTY based on one fight.

Even though people had it close I had him ahead in both fights which weights my opinion of him differently to other people who maybe had Kameda winning one or both.

As Gary Coleman said Different Strokes for Different Folks.

You can do what you want, but you're unlikely to have your opinion taken seriously.

Sometimes one win is enough.

If people don't take my opinion seriously then more fool them.
McDonnell had two great wins on foreign soil.
His division isn't as glamorous as others but his achievements in 2015 have been seriously under rated.
Such a shame the WBO stripped Kameda as that would of maybe improved the win in some people's eyes.

PredatorHayds wrote:If people don't take my opinion seriously then more fool them.
McDonnell had two great wins on foreign soil.
His division isn't as glamorous as others but his achievements in 2015 have been seriously under rated.
Such a shame the WBO stripped Kameda as that would of maybe improved the win in some people's eyes.

Tyson Fury was clearly the British Fighter of the Year.

No one else came close. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong and will look foolish in the eyes of the sensible.

Horse wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:If people don't take my opinion seriously then more fool them.
McDonnell had two great wins on foreign soil.
His division isn't as glamorous as others but his achievements in 2015 have been seriously under rated.
Such a shame the WBO stripped Kameda as that would of maybe improved the win in some people's eyes.

Tyson Fury was clearly the British Fighter of the Year.

No one else came close. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong and will look foolish in the eyes of the sensible.

He clearly had the win of the year but I find Kameda away twice a more successful campaign than Wlad and Hammer.

PredatorHayds wrote:He clearly had the win of the year but I find Kameda away twice a more successful campaign than Wlad and Hammer.

Well, you are wrong.

Kameda is nothing compared to Klitschko.

Agreed Wlad is the better fighter.

But a win against one top fighter isn't enough to win FOTY. If Hammer was a better opponent then I'd probably agree with you.

PredatorHayds wrote:But a win against one top fighter isn't enough to win FOTY.

Yes, it is.

Not in my opinion

I think it's more impressive to beat a guy clearly the first time so there is no doubt about who the winner should've been. Would you rank Sergey Kovalev's 2014 more favorably if he had just squeaked by Hopkins then beat him in a rematch (which occurred due to the close nature of the initial bout) the same year, rather than dominating him the first time and leaving no doubt about who the better man was? I wouldn't, and I can't see how McDonnell has any good argument over fighters such as Fury and Mayweather, who notched clear wins over opponents far better than Kameda.

Also, I'd say that dominant stoppages of Murray, Lemieux, and Monroe is superior to a pair of wins over Kameda, especially when one of them was very close and could've reasonably gone the other way.

crusader wrote:I think it's more impressive to beat a guy clearly the first time so there is no doubt about who the winner should've been. Would you rank Sergey Kovalev's 2014 more favorably if he had just squeaked by Hopkins then beat him in a rematch (which occurred due to the close nature of the initial bout) the same year, rather than dominating him the first time and leaving no doubt about who the better man was? I wouldn't, and I can't see how McDonnell has any good argument over fighters such as Fury and Mayweather, who notched clear wins over opponents far better than Kameda.

Also, I'd say that dominant stoppages of Murray, Lemieux, and Monroe is superior to a pair of wins over Kameda, especially when one of them was very close and could've reasonably gone the other way.

Didn't both Kameda and Wlad have rematch clauses in the contract though?
Nothing to do with the closeness of the fights.

Yes, but that's not really the point. The point is that one beat an elite opponent without argument, and the other barely got past a non-elite opponent and needed two attempts to put things beyond doubt.

Applying that to someone like Kovalev, would you rate his 2014 more favorably if he were dropped by Hopkins in the first fight, won only by a point, but then clearly won a rematch to add another win over a top 3 opponent? All else equal I think dominating an opponent the first time is worth more than squeaking past them then clearly winning a rematch, and of course it's not all else equal here because Fury and Mayweather beat far better opponents than Kameda. Also, why do you rank McDonnell's year over GGG's? You acknowledge that GGG had two wins over top ten opponents, and he beat them far more convincingly than McD beat Kameda, with a stoppage win over top 20ish Monroe thrown in as well.

McD is a good fighter and he had a good 2015, but I just can't see how he had a better year than all other pro boxers.

crusader wrote:Yes, but that's not really the point. The point is that one beat an elite opponent without argument, and the other barely got past a non-elite opponent and needed two attempts to put things beyond doubt.

Applying that to someone like Kovalev, would you rate his 2014 more favorably if he were dropped by Hopkins in the first fight, won only by a point, but then clearly won a rematch over the same opponent? All else equal I think dominating an opponent the first time is worth more than squeaking past them then clearly winning a rematch, and of course it's not all else equal here because Fury and Mayweather beat far better opponents than Kameda. Also, why do you rank McDonnell's year over GGG's? You acknowledge that GGG had two wins over top ten opponents, and he beat them far more convincingly that McD beat Kameda, with a stoppage win over top 20ish Monroe thrown in as well.

McD is a good fighter and he had a good 2015, but I just can't see how he had a better year than all other pro boxers.

As I said in my previous posts. If you have McDonnell scraping or struggling in EITHER fight then of course you can't have him anywhere near FOTY.
The reason I do is because I had him winning both without doubt.
Even though my scorecard for the first fight was close I thought most rounds were straight forward either way.

Okay, but even if you thought he clearly won you still had him going close with Kameda, while Fury and Mayweather beat far superior opponents by greater margins the first time around (I'm assuming you agree with this--if not please tell me why). I don't see why Kameda should be rated so highly that a pair of wins over him trumps a single, fairly wide win over a P4P elite fighter such as Klitschko or Pacquiao; he lacks impressive victories, didn't have longevity at the top, and just before McD beat him the first time he struggled significantly with a 28-10 fringe contender who had lost 3 of his last 7.

I'm also curious about your answer to my Kovalev question--would you have rated his 2014 more favorably if instead of the one dominant win over Hopkins he had been dropped, won by only a point, but then scored a second and this time wide win in a rematch? You also haven't given reasons for having McD above GGG, who beat two top ten opponents more convincingly and had a third stoppage win over the top twenty-ish Monroe.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because I can't take the selection of McDonnell for world fighter of the year seriously.

crusader wrote:Okay, but even if you thought he clearly won you still had him going close with Kameda, while Fury and Mayweather beat far superior opponents by greater margins the first time around (I'm assuming you agree with this--if not please tell me why). I don't see why Kameda should be rated so highly that a pair of wins over him trumps a single, fairly wide win over a P4P elite fighter such as Klitschko or Pacquiao; he lacks impressive victories, didn't have longevity at the top, and just before McD beat him the first time he struggled significantly with a 28-10 fringe contender who had lost 3 of his last 7.

I'm also curious about your answer to my Kovalev question--would you have rated his 2014 more favorably if instead of the one dominant win over Hopkins he had been dropped, won by only a point, but then scored a second and this time wide win in a rematch? You also haven't given reasons for having McD above GGG, who beat two top ten opponents more convincingly and had a third stoppage win over the top twenty-ish Monroe.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because I can't take the selection of McDonnell for world fighter of the year seriously.

Fury and Floyd definetly had the wins of the year.
Also the Fury-Wlad fight I had close I didn't think Fury won by a landslide.
Of course not about Kovalev as his Hopkins win was extremely impressive as I thought Hopkins was still a good fighter.
Kameda is a bigger puncher than Hopkins at that stage of his career so if he'd put Kovalev down it would of had a detrimental effect on his P4P claims
Just to make it clear I don't have McDonnell a million miles ahead in my FOTY. I'd of been happy for it to go Fury, Floyd, Gonzalez or GGG. I just favoured McDonnell probably a bit of byism on my part because I wasn't impressed with how overlooked the wins were and couldn't fathom how some people scored the second fight to Kameda.
Also if Fury beat Wlad in January and won the rematch in June he'd of been my FOTY by a million miles. He was unlucky his hands were tied waiting so long for the fight after the hammer fight.

I believe Mcdonnell is the last announcement on the Joshua undercard. Boxing news said it's against Emmanuel Rodriguez. A somewhat unknown fighter, could be dangerous.