The WBC is hurting boxing by letting titleholders fight weak opponents instead of mandatories

[Lancenix]

Ducked Byrd. LOL

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2002/0421/163634-boxing/

Maybe this was before you started watching boxing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk1notdy_g

My bad from earlier, Tyson was on the radar for LL but we all know that Mike wasn't what he once was by then and Byrd was still fresh.

Let us get this straight buddy.. ever since Lennox Lewis beat the shit out of Rahmen for the title in the rematch of their fight the title has been in Europe for Around 2 decades or so. OK. And no one from America's tough badass inner city has been able to do anything about it. Why is that? America's inner city is so tough and yet they have let the European's hijack the biggest division in boxing and can do nothing about it. And now Wilder has been proven to be another phony coward unwilling to fight the Europeans. It is so funny that it is quite sad.

[asdfjkl]

He rather fought Mike Tyson, that's all and Chris Byrd isn't top of the top, just watch his fight against Klitschko and you know enough

Mike wasn't even in his radar during that time, if I'm not mistaken I believe Mike was in prison at that time, and I recall Byrd stopped one those Klitschko brothers.

No excuses for Lennox, I like him but he flat out ducked Byrd.

2002-06-08, the day Lennox fought Mike Tyson and Chris Byrd fought Jeff Pegues...
Jeff Pegues who already got KOed in his two previous matches by unknown boxers and also got KOed in all of his 6 matches after.

2002-06-09 the day you just quoted from right?

Congratz Byrd with your IBF title that you defended against Fres Oquendo, had a lucky draw against Andrew Golota, won against Jameel McCline, DaVarryl Williamson, all boxers who got KOed before in their life, sometimes even in the first round, Byrd couldn't even do it at all against any of them.
Eventually he lost it to Klitschko again on TKO.

[Rob3_142]

I think Wilder is far from vacating the belt, and if anything would do a unification with Martin. Also I'm pretty sure that Wilder did say his next fight would be against Povetkin, and providing he came through that there would be the potential for a WBC/IBF unification fight later in the year, which then would pave the way for a unification of all 4 belts (not including the WBA - what is even going on there?) between the winner of Fury and Klitchko.

I think the biggest problem with the Povetkin fight is where it would be. If they can't agree terms, it'll come down to a purse bid, and with Povetkin being backed by a wealthy benefactor, it'd result in a fight in Russia, which Wilder refused to do. If it came down to that, I'm not entirely sure what would happen, answers on a postcard.

Is that your excuse for Wilder being yet another North American coward that he is? It is an epidemic in boxing which most could have never foreseen that would ever happen but it is alive and well in 2016. Canadians, Americans and Mexicans avoiding the top Europeans at all costs. Hoping they will just go away somehow or just fight each other. It is most surprising from the tough inner city Americans who say they are not scared of anyone except when it comes to getting in the ring that is.

Well I think we should probably judge Wilder based on his actions rather than hearsay. We don't know he will vacate, or if the WBC will move the goal posts. One of the reasons that has been banded about avoiding Russia has been down to some of the judging, but Fury went to Germany and got a decision in his favour which shows that you can still win abroad.

I really hope that Wilder carries his promises through, it'll be unforgivable if he avoids everyone.

[Undefeated49-0]

2002-06-08, the day Lennox fought Mike Tyson and Chris Byrd fought Jeff Pegues...
Jeff Pegues who already got KOed in his two previous matches by unknown boxers and also got KOed in all of his 6 matches after.

2002-06-09 the day you just quoted from right?

Congratz Byrd with your IBF title that you defended against Fres Oquendo, had a lucky draw against Andrew Golota, won against Jameel McCline, DaVarryl Williamson, all boxers who got KOed before in their life, sometimes even in the first round, Byrd couldn't even do it at all against any of them.
Eventually he lost it to Klitschko again on TKO.

And just "HOW" does any of that disprove the fact that LL had 10 days to decide to fight him but didn't??

[Undefeated49-0]

Let us get this straight buddy.. ever since Lennox Lewis beat the poo out of Rahmen for the title in the rematch of their fight the title has been in Europe for Around 2 decades or so. OK. And no one from America's tough badass inner city has been able to do anything about it. Why is that? America's inner city is so tough and yet they have let the European's hijack the biggest division in boxing and can do nothing about it. And now Wilder has been proven to be another phony coward unwilling to fight the Europeans. It is so funny that it is quite sad.

You got nothing straight, all you did is rant about your Euro-loving fighters and diss American fighters, you only proved how much of a douche you can be towards people in America (not surprised by your Euro-centric Superiority Complex).

You still did not disprove the fact that LL had 10 days to face Byrd but didn't. I'm not saying Byrd was some punching Monster or that he was the best or that he instilled fear in fighters, he was a guy who moved from LHW, didn't have any pop but showed he had the skills to compete with all those men who were naturally bigger than him.

If all you came here to do is show how much you HATE Americans and American Boxers then you did get me straight on that but that's all you did.

[asdfjkl]

Let us get this straight buddy.. ever since Lennox Lewis beat the poo out of Rahmen for the title in the rematch of their fight the title has been in Europe for Around 2 decades or so. OK. And no one from America's tough badass inner city has been able to do anything about it. Why is that? America's inner city is so tough and yet they have let the European's hijack the biggest division in boxing and can do nothing about it. And now Wilder has been proven to be another phony coward unwilling to fight the Europeans. It is so funny that it is quite sad.

You got nothing straight, all you did is rant about your Euro-loving fighters and diss American fighters, you only proved how much of a douche you can be towards people in America (not surprised by your Euro-centric Superiority Complex).

You still did not disprove the fact that LL had 10 days to face Byrd but didn't. I'm not saying Byrd was some punching Monster or that he was the best or that he instilled fear in fighters, he was a guy who moved from LHW, didn't have any pop but showed he had the skills to compete with all those men who were naturally bigger than him.

If all you came here to do is show how much you HATE Americans and American Boxers then you did get me straight on that but that's all you did.

This is pretty much the same as saying Martin and Glazkov would have knocked the crap out of Fury lol.
Byrd simply wasn't taken serious any more at that time, Byrd hasn't fought unbeaten guys since Klitschko and even that was an uncredebly lucky win. Byrd simply wasn't the top of the world and Lewis was. Lewis had an allmost twice as high boxrec rating for example at the time.
When you're carrying all the belts it's allmost impossible to defend them all, so Byrd was allowed to have the IBF belt, have fun with it and so he did.

[Undefeated49-0]

This is pretty much the same as saying Martin and Glazkov would have knocked the crap out of Fury lol.
Byrd simply wasn't taken serious any more at that time, Byrd hasn't fought unbeaten guys since Klitschko and even that was an uncredebly lucky win. Byrd simply wasn't the top of the world and Lewis was. Lewis had an allmost twice as high boxrec rating for example at the time.
When you're carrying all the belts it's allmost impossible to defend them all, so Byrd was allowed to have the IBF belt, have fun with it and so he did.

All of this talking and nothing you said disproves the fact that LL declined to face his mandatory in Byrd within 10 days and chose not to, your claim of no one taking Byrd seriously is just BS excuses, he beat Vitaly Klitschko, Tua, McCline, Holyfield, and that has to count for something.

Like him or not, with that type of resume it is easy to see why LL may not have wanted to face him.

[man]

My bad from earlier, Tyson was on the radar for LL but we all know that Mike wasn't what he once was by then and Byrd was still fresh.

if you are implying that lennox lewis chose
a fight with mike tyson over a bout with chris
byrd out of fear for the latter, then you should
stop posting about events back then. chris byrd
was an absolute nobody and mike tyson was still
seen as one the most feared fighters in all of boxing.
aside of the little fact that a tyson event drew HUGE
money.

it was the by far biggest event in terms of scale
in lennox lewis' career and for him it was above
that a legacy fight. the thing had two announcers
and a build up on the borderline on crazy and it
was perceived as a sport transcending event.

chris byrd on the other hand was seen throughout
his career as a tiny heavyweight who managed to
hold on to a small piece of the big title cake for
some time. blowing up his injury win over vitali to
mythical proportions doesn't change any of that.

[Lennox]

I thought this was a joke about LL not facing Byrd. The only reason it never happened was because the TV companies did not feel the fight was worth enough $£$£$£. No one was interested in Lewis-Byrd.

This is the problem when holding multiple titles, you can't sometimes complete the mandatories because when some fighters become super-elite the interest is just not there. Can you imagine Floyd Mayweather v Kevin Bizier. Opponent choice's for the super elite actually narrow because the two ingredients for a great fight are you need to know the names and you dont want to know the result.

[man]

regarding the OP's: for holders of several titles
it is difficult to fight all mandatories of all bodies.

[asdfjkl]

This is pretty much the same as saying Martin and Glazkov would have knocked the crap out of Fury lol.
Byrd simply wasn't taken serious any more at that time, Byrd hasn't fought unbeaten guys since Klitschko and even that was an uncredebly lucky win. Byrd simply wasn't the top of the world and Lewis was. Lewis had an allmost twice as high boxrec rating for example at the time.
When you're carrying all the belts it's allmost impossible to defend them all, so Byrd was allowed to have the IBF belt, have fun with it and so he did.

All of this talking and nothing you said disproves the fact that LL declined to face his mandatory in Byrd within 10 days and chose not to, your claim of no one taking Byrd seriously is just BS excuses, he beat Vitaly Klitschko, Tua, McCline, Holyfield, and that has to count for something.

Like him or not, with that type of resume it is easy to see why LL may not have wanted to face him.

Have you seen the Klitschko fight? Klitschko fought with one arm and still won allmost every round. Vitali stopped because he didn't want to risk his carreer, but in fact he only needed to keep standing for 2 or 3 rounds to win the fight. He gave up the fight while sitting safe talking with his team.

Byrd knew how to win rounds, but he was basically the same boxer as Hughie Fury for example.
Congratz on winning against a 40 year old Holyfield, who lost against James Toney and Larry Donald after, and congratz on the win against McCline, whoever that may be, but you can't compare that to Lennox Lewis.

[Undefeated49-0]

Have you seen the Klitschko fight? Klitschko fought with one arm and still won allmost every round. Vitali stopped because he didn't want to risk his carreer, but in fact he only needed to keep standing for 2 or 3 rounds to win the fight. He gave up the fight while sitting safe talking with his team.

Byrd knew how to win rounds, but he was basically the same boxer as Hughie Fury for example.
Congratz on winning against a 40 year old Holyfield, who lost against James Toney and Larry Donald after, and congratz on the win against McCline, whoever that may be, but you can't compare that to Lennox Lewis.

I saw the fight Klits quit, Ali fought on with a broken jaw, Hopkins fought on with a dislocated shoulder Klits quit while winning. Stop making excuses LL didn't want that fight and refused to take it and that's the situation.

[asdfjkl]

Have you seen the Klitschko fight? Klitschko fought with one arm and still won allmost every round. Vitali stopped because he didn't want to risk his carreer, but in fact he only needed to keep standing for 2 or 3 rounds to win the fight. He gave up the fight while sitting safe talking with his team.

Byrd knew how to win rounds, but he was basically the same boxer as Hughie Fury for example.
Congratz on winning against a 40 year old Holyfield, who lost against James Toney and Larry Donald after, and congratz on the win against McCline, whoever that may be, but you can't compare that to Lennox Lewis.

I saw the fight Klits quit, Ali fought on with a broken jaw, Hopkins fought on with a dislocated shoulder Klits quit while winning. Stop making excuses LL didn't want that fight and refused to take it and that's the situation.

Ofcourse he refused, good boxers allways refuse bums, those are fights people don't even want to see.
Byrd is a good boxer, but never really the top of the world, no matter what belt he carries. He's something like Stiverne.

[Undefeated49-0]

Ofcourse he refused, good boxers allways refuse bums, those are fights people don't even want to see.
Byrd is a good boxer, but never really the top of the world, no matter what belt he carries. He's something like Stiverne.

Byrd was techically miles ahead of Stiverne, Byrd beat or at least faced his best competition in the division at the time other than LL (who didn't want it) whereas Stiverne only fought a green Wilder and still lost.

Facts are the facts, LL had 10 days and refused the fight. Byrd was not a bum and was one of the biggest names at HW during that time with wins over credible and much bigger men than him.

Stop using the same old argument and try and stick to the point, did LL fight Byrd? No, why? Who knows, maybe he was afraid he'd got outslicked or maybe in his mind Byrd was a Bum and not worth it, does any of that matter, NO? Why? Because he refused to fight him.

Case closed.

[Tanzio]

Have you seen the Klitschko fight? Klitschko fought with one arm and still won allmost every round. Vitali stopped because he didn't want to risk his carreer, but in fact he only needed to keep standing for 2 or 3 rounds to win the fight. He gave up the fight while sitting safe talking with his team.

Byrd knew how to win rounds, but he was basically the same boxer as Hughie Fury for example.
Congratz on winning against a 40 year old Holyfield, who lost against James Toney and Larry Donald after, and congratz on the win against McCline, whoever that may be, but you can't compare that to Lennox Lewis.

I saw the fight Klits quit, Ali fought on with a broken jaw, Hopkins fought on with a dislocated shoulder Klits quit while winning. Stop making excuses LL didn't want that fight and refused to take it and that's the situation.

Lennox had a choice; fight Byrd for an ok payday or fight Tyson for a FAR larger pot of gold.

It is called prizefighting.

The End

[asdfjkl]

Ofcourse he refused, good boxers allways refuse bums, those are fights people don't even want to see.
Byrd is a good boxer, but never really the top of the world, no matter what belt he carries. He's something like Stiverne.

Byrd was techically miles ahead of Stiverne, Byrd beat or at least faced his best competition in the division at the time other than LL (who didn't want it) whereas Stiverne only fought a green Wilder and still lost.

Facts are the facts, LL had 10 days and refused the fight. Byrd was not a bum and was one of the biggest names at HW during that time with wins over credible and much bigger men than him.

Stop using the same old argument and try and stick to the point, did LL fight Byrd? No, why? Who knows, maybe he was afraid he'd got outslicked or maybe in his mind Byrd was a Bum and not worth it, does any of that matter, NO? Why? Because he refused to fight him.

Case closed.

Wilder, a green 29, allmost 30 year old at the time? Then what do you call the 19 year old Hughie? A serious champion of the world contender on less then 8 weeks notice if he's alone, splitted from his family because his cousin fights Klitschko? Come on, you can't call Wilder green.
Also, have you seen Byrd against Wladimir? In both fights he got embarresed, against the 24 year old Wladimir, as well as against the 30 year old Wladimir.

[Undefeated49-0]

Wilder, a green 29, allmost 30 year old at the time? Then what do you call the 19 year old Hughie? A serious champion of the world contender on less then 8 weeks notice if he's alone, splitted from his family because his cousin fights Klitschko? Come on, you can't call Wilder green.
Also, have you seen Byrd against Wladimir? In both fights he got embarresed, against the 24 year old Wladimir, as well as against the 30 year old Wladimir.

Yes Wilder was still green at 29 years old, most of his fights never went past the 1st round, how do you account for a fighter gaining experience if that's all the vast majority of his fights lasts?? Add every one of his fights up that ended in the 1st or second round and you come up with a total of about 14-15 rounds at the most.

Is that an experience fighter to you?? Well, not to me it isn't!

Wilder is as green as they come.

[asdfjkl]

Wilder, a green 29, allmost 30 year old at the time? Then what do you call the 19 year old Hughie? A serious champion of the world contender on less then 8 weeks notice if he's alone, splitted from his family because his cousin fights Klitschko? Come on, you can't call Wilder green.
Also, have you seen Byrd against Wladimir? In both fights he got embarresed, against the 24 year old Wladimir, as well as against the 30 year old Wladimir.

Yes Wilder was still green at 29 years old, most of his fights never went past the 1st round, how do you account for a fighter gaining experience if that's all the vast majority of his fights lasts?? Add every one of his fights up that ended in the 1st or second round and you come up with a total of about 14-15 rounds at the most.

Is that an experience fighter to you?? Well, not to me it isn't!

Wilder is as green as they come.

What do you expect? During his first 16 fights only one person had a boxrec rating that was higher as 10. During AJ's fights 15 fights only 3 persons had less then 10 as a boxrec rating. Even after 27 fights Wilder fought someone with a boxrec rating of 10.
Now Wilder is free to chose who he wants, but if he choses fights like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlfI5VlZuY

Then don't act like surprised if they can't stand any more after a couple of rounds.