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Undefeated49-0 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:It's only a duck if the fight would have made sense, if you call that a duck, he also ducked Parker, Haye, Wilder, Martin indeed, basically every boxer lol. Wilder who ducked Povetkin, that's a duck, if Wilder gives his belt away without fighting Povetkin then that's a clear duck to me. AJ is still learning, Wilder is a finished product, he won't get much better as he currently is.
In fact he fought better against Duhaupas as against Szpilka in my opinion.

Yep it's a duck by Wilder if that is his mandatory and he's chasing belts but I understand that Povetkin ducked him first. Doesn't excuse Joshua for ducking Haye (who called him out) but it's Joshua's fans that make him out to be this KO artist that will beat everyone but as soon as he's called out then it's the same old "he's too green" comment.

We can't have it both ways, either Joshua is simply too green and is no threat to the top dogs (yet) or he's ducking them right now until he gets more seasoned (maybe they take losses and get older too) before he faces them.

It's not a one way street on this, you know? While he (Joshua) is gaining experience they are getting old, and probably more shopworn, slower and have less punch resistance, he is still young and has time to develop/get better and be more towards his prime by the time he faces them.

Povetkin didn't duck him first, it was Wilder who wanted more experience, Povetkin gave him the option, fight me in september, or fight me next year around april. Wilder doubted a lot, but eventually chose someone else, first tried the 19 year old, later he actually fought some mailboxmaker from France. Povetkin moved on and chose Wach and even received a cut in his face and suddenly Wilder woke up and said he wanted to challange Povetkin in januari, knowing Povetkin told him september or next april. And suddenly everybody acts like it was Povetkin who ducked Wilder, no Povetkin is a man of his word and Wilder is an actor and everybody involved knows this.
Joshua is a KO artist and Joshua already fought more boxrec top 100 opponends after 15 fights as Deontay Wilder has in his entire life (and KOed them all!). Also, what do you expect, AJ has only had 15 opponends and only has had 32 rounds at this moment. Mike Tyson fought 8 win, 6 lose opponends with a boxrec rating of 3 at that stage, Deontay Wilder fought a 6 win, 6 lose (a guy who currently has 8 loses in a row) opponend in his 16th match with a rating of 4. Anthony Joshua fights a guy with a boxrec rating of 144 with 16 wins, 0 loses and 13 of them on KO. Before that he fought a 21 wins 0 loses guy.

Just look at the numbers mate, AJ is from a different league as Wilder, and probably already better.

asdfjkl wrote:Povetkin didn't duck him first, it was Wilder who wanted more experience, Povetkin gave him the option, fight me in september, or fight me next year around april. Wilder doubted a lot, but eventually chose someone else, first tried the 19 year old, later he actually fought some mailboxmaker from France. Povetkin moved on and chose Wach and even received a cut in his face and suddenly Wilder woke up and said he wanted to challange Povetkin in januari, knowing Povetkin told him september or next april. And suddenly everybody acts like it was Povetkin who ducked Wilder, no Povetkin is a man of his word and Wilder is an actor and everybody involved knows this.

Joshua is a KO artist and Joshua already fought more boxrec top 100 opponends after 15 fights as Deontay Wilder has in his entire life (and KOed them all!). Also, what do you expect, AJ has only had 15 opponends and only has had 32 rounds at this moment. Mike Tyson fought 8 win, 6 lose opponends with a boxrec rating of 3 at that stage, Deontay Wilder fought a 6 win, 6 lose (a guy who currently has 8 loses in a row) opponend in his 16th match with a rating of 4. Anthony Joshua fights a guy with a boxrec rating of 144 with 16 wins, 0 loses and 13 of them on KO. Before that he fought a 21 wins 0 loses guy.

Just look at the numbers mate, AJ is from a different league as Wilder, and probably already better.

Povetkin kept changing the dates, then he (Alexander) said he needed 6 months to prepare for Wilder and on top of it he wanted the fight in Russia (to which Deontay said he won't go to Russia) the fight that took place with Spilzka only took place because of Povetkin/his team said they needed those 6 months to prepare for Wilder.

That appears to me that Wilder wanted it and Povetkin didn't, now it appears they are trying to make it look as though Wilder is running scared when he already reduced himself to beating AS in place of AP.

Go look at the facts first and then come back and reply.

Joshua is a KO artist and Joshua already fought more boxrec top 100 opponends after 15 fights as Deontay Wilder has in his entire life (and KOed them all!). Also, what do you expect, AJ has only had 15 opponends and only has had 32 rounds at this moment. Mike Tyson fought 8 win, 6 lose opponends with a boxrec rating of 3 at that stage, Deontay Wilder fought a 6 win, 6 lose (a guy who currently has 8 loses in a row) opponend in his 16th match with a rating of 4. Anthony Joshua fights a guy with a boxrec rating of 144 with 16 wins, 0 loses and 13 of them on KO. Before that he fought a 21 wins 0 loses guy.

Just look at the numbers mate, AJ is from a different league as Wilder, and probably already better

As far as your rant on this, I never said anything about Joshua ducking Wilder, I said he was ducking Martin and Haye. If what you stated is true then with Joshua so called being better and facing better opponents then he should be ready for Wilder.

Personally I'm not sure where you're going with your defense of Joshua by using Wilder but this is about Joshua and Martin moreso than anyone but Haye did call him out and they didn't take it.

Again, I don't blame Joshua as I feel he does need more experience but the fact of the matter is that Martin called him out and he doesn't want it. Martin doesn't have that much more experience than Joshua.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Povetkin didn't duck him first, it was Wilder who wanted more experience, Povetkin gave him the option, fight me in september, or fight me next year around april. Wilder doubted a lot, but eventually chose someone else, first tried the 19 year old, later he actually fought some mailboxmaker from France. Povetkin moved on and chose Wach and even received a cut in his face and suddenly Wilder woke up and said he wanted to challange Povetkin in januari, knowing Povetkin told him september or next april. And suddenly everybody acts like it was Povetkin who ducked Wilder, no Povetkin is a man of his word and Wilder is an actor and everybody involved knows this.

Joshua is a KO artist and Joshua already fought more boxrec top 100 opponends after 15 fights as Deontay Wilder has in his entire life (and KOed them all!). Also, what do you expect, AJ has only had 15 opponends and only has had 32 rounds at this moment. Mike Tyson fought 8 win, 6 lose opponends with a boxrec rating of 3 at that stage, Deontay Wilder fought a 6 win, 6 lose (a guy who currently has 8 loses in a row) opponend in his 16th match with a rating of 4. Anthony Joshua fights a guy with a boxrec rating of 144 with 16 wins, 0 loses and 13 of them on KO. Before that he fought a 21 wins 0 loses guy.

Just look at the numbers mate, AJ is from a different league as Wilder, and probably already better.

Povetkin kept changing the dates, then he (Alexander) said he needed 6 months to prepare for Wilder and on top of it he wanted the fight in Russia (to which Deontay said he won't go to Russia) the fight that took place with Spilzka only took place because of Povetkin/his team said they needed those 6 months to prepare for Wilder.

That appears to me that Wilder wanted it and Povetkin didn't, now it appears they are trying to make it look as though Wilder is running scared when he already reduced himself to beating AS in place of AP.

Go look at the facts first and then come back and reply.

Povetkin changing dates?! Povetkin wanted the fight as early as possible lol?!
Povetkin never said he needed 6 months, he was ready last year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oahKlOBTvh8

And the fight was allmost certainly happening in America, that's known for ages?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h61c9CIihmc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFZ2CYJzYm0

At least understand your posts make no sense at all whatsoever

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Joshua is a KO artist and Joshua already fought more boxrec top 100 opponends after 15 fights as Deontay Wilder has in his entire life (and KOed them all!). Also, what do you expect, AJ has only had 15 opponends and only has had 32 rounds at this moment. Mike Tyson fought 8 win, 6 lose opponends with a boxrec rating of 3 at that stage, Deontay Wilder fought a 6 win, 6 lose (a guy who currently has 8 loses in a row) opponend in his 16th match with a rating of 4. Anthony Joshua fights a guy with a boxrec rating of 144 with 16 wins, 0 loses and 13 of them on KO. Before that he fought a 21 wins 0 loses guy.

Just look at the numbers mate, AJ is from a different league as Wilder, and probably already better

As far as your rant on this, I never said anything about Joshua ducking Wilder, I said he was ducking Martin and Haye. If what you stated is true then with Joshua so called being better and facing better opponents then he should be ready for Wilder.

Personally I'm not sure where you're going with your defense of Joshua by using Wilder but this is about Joshua and Martin moreso than anyone but Haye did call him out and they didn't take it.

Again, I don't blame Joshua as I feel he does need more experience but the fact of the matter is that Martin called him out and he doesn't want it. Martin doesn't have that much more experience than Joshua.

Anthony Joshua wants to fight the top and the top only once he got a belt. He's not like Wilder who carries that belt and then fights some Duhaupas nobody has ever heard about and recently lost against some 13-0 prospect. Joshua doesn't want to fight a teacher, a post delivery mailbox maker or a hooligan, he wants to fight the top of the boxing world as soon as he carries a belt.
Let Martin choose someone else, everyone can handle him probably.

I understand everybody is taking AJ serious already after about half the fights Deontay was finally been taken serious, but let him fight some Duhaupas, Wach or Szpilka first, before he carries that belt, that makes a lot more sense as carrying that belt without fighting Povetkin, Fury, Klitschko or name them.

..wrong thread

asdfjkl wrote: Povetkin changing dates?! Povetkin wanted the fight as early as possible lol?!
Povetkin never said he needed 6 months, he was ready last year.

Please read article on the link below by SPORTS JOURNALISTS who are liable if they falsify any information.

http://www.BS.com/wilder-i-wan ... eup--99073

YouTube videos lol of people just talking crap are just people's thoughts. It's not their job, there's no risk and they just speak their mind. The ones you provided are in favour of what youre saying and not neutral. Link up there is a more credible source.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Larrylefthook wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Yeah I agree!!

Then don't call it a duck! Just because someone says no to a fight doesn't mean its a duck, he knows he's not ready for the title and everything that goes with it, he's not scared of Charles effing Martin.

It's still a duck if he was offered the fight and refused it, that's just how ducking works.

Ok, Mayweather ducked Khan too, end of discussion.

foxdog1923 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Povetkin changing dates?! Povetkin wanted the fight as early as possible lol?!
Povetkin never said he needed 6 months, he was ready last year.

Please read article on the link below by SPORTS JOURNALISTS who are liable if they falsify any information.

http://www.BS.com/wilder-i-wan ... eup--99073

YouTube videos lol of people just talking crap are just people's thoughts. It's not their job, there's no risk and they just speak their mind. The ones you provided are in favour of what youre saying and not neutral. Link up there is a more credible source.

At least read the comments on the article you posted yourself... Wake up mate, everybody seems to know reality except for you. Are you a troll or just really not having a clue what's going on?

asdfjkl wrote: At least read the comments on the article you posted yourself... Wake up mate, everybody seems to know reality except for you. Are you a troll or just really not having a clue what's going on?

Everybody?? Undefeated 49 disagrees with you. A lot of people disagree with you lol. You're disagreeing with Undefeated 49 about whether Povetkin needed more time before he fought Wilder.

YOU said Povetkin was ready to fight last year and that he didn't need 6 months to prepare and then you brought youtube opinions of ordinary people as your proof HAHA stupid move.

Underneath paragraphs was taken from that link I posted and it says OPPOSITE from what you said. And guess who it's from? Not Joe Boggs from youtube or a nobody from youtube. It's from Deontay Wilder. Don't bring us youtube crap from people who nobody knows. READ the proof underneath..

Wilder feels Povetkin didn’t need a tune-up for him and in fact the wait to fight him might have actually hurt the challenger.
“My team does what I say and I wanted that fight in January but then Povetkin says he needs 6 months to prepare for me,” Wilder explained.

BOOM!!

foxdog1923 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: At least read the comments on the article you posted yourself... Wake up mate, everybody seems to know reality except for you. Are you a troll or just really not having a clue what's going on?

Everybody?? Undefeated 49 disagrees with you. A lot of people disagree with you lol. You're disagreeing with Undefeated 49 about whether Povetkin needed more time before he fought Wilder.

YOU said Povetkin was ready to fight last year and that he didn't need 6 months to prepare and then you brought youtube opinions of ordinary people as your proof HAHA stupid move.

Underneath paragraphs was taken from that link I posted and it says OPPOSITE from what you said. And guess who it's from? Not Joe Boggs from youtube or a nobody from youtube. It's from Deontay Wilder. Don't bring us youtube crap from people who nobody knows. READ the proof underneath..

Wilder feels Povetkin didn’t need a tune-up for him and in fact the wait to fight him might have actually hurt the challenger.
“My team does what I say and I wanted that fight in January but then Povetkin says he needs 6 months to prepare for me,” Wilder explained.

BOOM!!

Everybody , even on youtube already said last summer the fight is delayed till summer 2016 thanks to Wilder, Wilder lies again, like he allways does, saying in januari that it was Povetkin who needed another 6 months and that's basically your evidence? A fraud that doesn't do much else as avoiding and lie talking again? The whole world knew it in september, Wilder acts like he just realised by januari? You still haven't read the comments under your own article have you? And tbh I thought you were the same person, I'm behind my phone, not a laptop.

asdfjkl wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: At least read the comments on the article you posted yourself... Wake up mate, everybody seems to know reality except for you. Are you a troll or just really not having a clue what's going on?

Everybody?? Undefeated 49 disagrees with you. A lot of people disagree with you lol. You're disagreeing with Undefeated 49 about whether Povetkin needed more time before he fought Wilder.

YOU said Povetkin was ready to fight last year and that he didn't need 6 months to prepare and then you brought youtube opinions of ordinary people as your proof HAHA stupid move.

Underneath paragraphs was taken from that link I posted and it says OPPOSITE from what you said. And guess who it's from? Not Joe Boggs from youtube or a nobody from youtube. It's from Deontay Wilder. Don't bring us youtube crap from people who nobody knows. READ the proof underneath..

Wilder feels Povetkin didn’t need a tune-up for him and in fact the wait to fight him might have actually hurt the challenger.
“My team does what I say and I wanted that fight in January but then Povetkin says he needs 6 months to prepare for me,” Wilder explained.

BOOM!!

Everybody , even on youtube already said last summer the fight is delayed till summer 2016 thanks to Wilder, Wilder lies again, like he allways does, saying in januari that it was Povetkin who needed another 6 months and that's basically your evidence? A fraud that doesn't do much else as avoiding and lie talking again? The whole world knew it in september, Wilder acts like he just realised by januari? You still haven't read the comments under your own article have you? And tbh I thought you were the same person, I'm behind my phone, not a laptop.

So as you've just said on your post above, you listen to youtube people. I listen to the actual boxers and thats the difference. Wilder has stated that Povetkin wanted 6 months to prepare but as you said, youtube said that he's lying lol. NOT Povetkin but youtube is whom you listen to. I should go on youtube and tell people what ever I like and you will listen to me cos you provide youtube opinions as proof. Do you see how stupid you look? Cos that's what you have done and said the UNDENIABLE PROOF is there for everyone to see.

Everybody go to youtube lol. Don't listen to Deontay Wilder about what he's going to do, listen to youtube. Only youtube knows what Wilders gonna do. HAHA
too easy

foxdog1923 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote: Everybody?? Undefeated 49 disagrees with you. A lot of people disagree with you lol. You're disagreeing with Undefeated 49 about whether Povetkin needed more time before he fought Wilder.

YOU said Povetkin was ready to fight last year and that he didn't need 6 months to prepare and then you brought youtube opinions of ordinary people as your proof HAHA stupid move.

Underneath paragraphs was taken from that link I posted and it says OPPOSITE from what you said. And guess who it's from? Not Joe Boggs from youtube or a nobody from youtube. It's from Deontay Wilder. Don't bring us youtube crap from people who nobody knows. READ the proof underneath..



BOOM!!

Everybody , even on youtube already said last summer the fight is delayed till summer 2016 thanks to Wilder, Wilder lies again, like he allways does, saying in januari that it was Povetkin who needed another 6 months and that's basically your evidence? A fraud that doesn't do much else as avoiding and lie talking again? The whole world knew it in september, Wilder acts like he just realised by januari? You still haven't read the comments under your own article have you? And tbh I thought you were the same person, I'm behind my phone, not a laptop.

So as you've just said on your post above, you listen to youtube people. I listen to the actual boxers and thats the difference. Wilder has stated that Povetkin wanted 6 months to prepare but as you said, youtube said that he's lying lol. NOT Povetkin but youtube is whom you listen to. I should go on youtube and tell people what ever I like and you will listen to me cos you provide youtube opinions as proof. Do you see how stupid you look? Cos that's what you have done and said the UNDENIABLE PROOF is there for everyone to see.

Everybody go to youtube lol. Don't listen to Deontay Wilder about what he's going to do, listen to youtube. Only youtube knows what Wilders gonna do. HAHA
too easy

http://www.BS.com/povetkin-rea ... alk--92900

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Fair enough. Now we know Povetkins side of the story. While it doesn't say anything regarding Povetkin wanting 6 months, it definitely states he's ready to go and I'm not surprised.

To be honest, I don't care if Povetkin did want 6 months. If he wanted 6 months then Wilder should give it to him. Wilder should want Povetkin at his best so then Wilder will get respect as a champion for allowing Povetkin the time also if Povetkin loses then there will be no excuses (e.g. Povetkin had injured shoulder and Wilder wouldn't give him 6 months to heal).

I never listen to youtube so called "experts". So when you read my posts, you'll know that some of my info is based on sources from the boxer or the management.

Larrylefthook wrote:Ok, Mayweather ducked Khan too, end of discussion.

Yes he ducked, do you feel better now??

SFI

If we aren't getting anyone major which Joshua won't or shouldn't fight then lets just roll along and monitor his progress.
Enough happening in the Heavyweight division to stoke the fires and keep the grapevine active nowadays anyway.

foxdog1923 wrote:

http://www.BS.com/povetkin-rea ... alk--92900[/quote]
Fair enough. Now we know Povetkins side of the story. While it doesn't say anything regarding Povetkin wanting 6 months, it definitely states he's ready to go and I'm not surprised.

To be honest, I don't care if Povetkin did want 6 months. If he wanted 6 months then Wilder should give it to him. Wilder should want Povetkin at his best so then Wilder will get respect as a champion for allowing Povetkin the time also if Povetkin loses then there will be no excuses (e.g. Povetkin had injured shoulder and Wilder wouldn't give him 6 months to heal).

I never listen to youtube so called "experts". So when you read my posts, you'll know that some of my info is based on sources from the boxer or the management.[/quote]
Povetkin was ready from the beginning, Wilder just continually lies, insults, reacts immature, occuses people wrongly for all kind of things. It was Wilder who ducked and it was Povetkin who continually stayed honoust.

I think Povetkin will handle Wilder with relative ease. Far better all around fighter. Sure Wilder has decent punchers chance but on the balance of who they have fought and the skills they possess I think it is pretty clear Povetkin should win, probably by late stoppage or wide UD.

Regarding the actual thread I think Joshua would be foolish fighting Martin right now. I have only seen Martin fight three rounds so cannot give an accurate reflection on how the fight would go, however assuming Joshua wins he'll be left with a title without the requisite experience to fight the likes of Povetkin, Fury, Klitschko, Ortiz (would also stay clear of Haye for now). Far better to gain experience with another 4-5 fights (making a shed load of money whilst he's at it) fighting increasingly difficult opponents like Jennings, Chisora and Stiverne..maybe make another 2-3m with Whyte rematch as well. Prepare him far better in long run.

Assuming he doesn't want Haye, or sees him as a big risk, I don't see many options left, Wach perhaps, I think Wach would fancy the money, can give AJ some rounds and isn't a real big risk.
Sherman Williams perhaps, Parker couldn't get him down and neither could a few other big names. I do hope he fights quite a lot of such guys in a short time without asking a lot of TV money for it.

Who ever it is it's not going to be much of a test for the big J, someone who has a poor KO percentage more than likely.

As yous probably know. Joshua is "talking" about Parker and Martin. Im gonna echo somebody and say I don't think he'll be fighting either Parker or Martin anytime soon for smart reasons.

I think Joshuas next opponent will be an easy beat.

asdfjkl wrote:Assuming he doesn't want Haye, or sees him as a big risk, I don't see many options left, Wach perhaps, I think Wach would fancy the money, can give AJ some rounds and isn't a real big risk.
Sherman Williams perhaps, Parker couldn't get him down and neither could a few other big names. I do hope he fights quite a lot of such guys in a short time without asking a lot of TV money for it.

Sherman Williams would be a good choice. Solid fighter who would assist Joshua on his learning curve. Not a marketable enough name for Sky Box Office though, they got away with Dillian Whyte because the USP was his amateur win and Whyte's personality. Hearn needs to deliver someone who is either top 10 ranked or has character to help sell the fight, of the first criterion I would suggest someone like Jennings or Stiverne, if not then maybe go a bit leftfield try and tempt Hughie Fury into a matchup or Szpilka if he has recovered in time.

TBEwasLangford wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Assuming he doesn't want Haye, or sees him as a big risk, I don't see many options left, Wach perhaps, I think Wach would fancy the money, can give AJ some rounds and isn't a real big risk.
Sherman Williams perhaps, Parker couldn't get him down and neither could a few other big names. I do hope he fights quite a lot of such guys in a short time without asking a lot of TV money for it.

Sherman Williams would be a good choice. Solid fighter who would assist Joshua on his learning curve. Not a marketable enough name for Sky Box Office though, they got away with Dillian Whyte because the USP was his amateur win and Whyte's personality. Hearn needs to deliver someone who is either top 10 ranked or has character to help sell the fight, of the first criterion I would suggest someone like Jennings or Stiverne, if not then maybe go a bit leftfield try and tempt Hughie Fury into a matchup or Szpilka if he has recovered in time.

I agree, but they just shouldn't have asked money for the Whyte fight, now everybody heard he can bring cash in the pocket and everyone is haunting him, he might make even more name with it, but not allways in a positive way.
I think he should have continued to fight every 1,5/2 months, like Parker does, slowly moving up in opponends, but because he asked money for the last fight everybody pushes him to take serious challanges instead of testers while he only fought 15th times and only had 32 rounds.
They are already asking for world title fights, while nobody ever received a world title fight in the heavyweights after just 15 fights have they?

He's supposed to fight guys like Adamek, Gjergjaj, Andy Ruiz Jr, Duhaupas, Eddie Chambers, guys like that right now.