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Just food for thought. In 1944, The Will o' the Wisp fought these 3 dangerous opponents in less than a month:
Willie Joyce (July 7th)
Manuel Ortiz (July 17th)
Lulu Constantino (Aug 4th)

And he beat them all. That doesn't look to me for an easy way out or a cherry picking opponents type of fighter in my view. How about that?

C'mon Campfire, you can see Willie Pep's amazing record and definitely conclude that he was a beast. Pep was an out of this world type of fighter. By looking at his record, films and the quality of opposition he beat in the 1940s, he is in ANOTHER LEVEL above Sugar Ray in that decade.

My answwers are in bold. I'm sure you won't understand this, but here it is:

Sugar Ray went 91 bouts without a loss. He did the same thing The Will of the Wisp did. You mentioned that Robinson didn't get a title shot earlier because he was black. How about Pep? Couldn't he had more title defenses if he hadn't had the airplane crash and it gave him a serious accident? The great Charley Burley was black. He didn't get a title shot. So the great Holman Williams and The Ol' Mongoose. That was the conspiracy of that era.

The issue was that Robinson didn't have as many title defenses as Pep. He couldn't because he couldn't get a title shot. Pep's airplane crash cost him only a few months. Maybe 1 title defense. Robinson lost 5 years of title defenses because he couldn't get a title shot. Yes Burley, Williams and others never got a title shot. That further proves my point that title shots don't mean anything. Pretty simple but I'm guessing you can't figure this out

And then, you're telling me that Robinson beating the great Jake LaMotta was a better win than Pep beating an extraordinary fighter like the great Sandy Saddler? What is this? A freaking joke? Are we serious here?

For welterweight to beat a great middleweight is more impressive than than a featherweight beating another great featherweight. Pretty simple but I'm guessing you can't figure this out.

And this joke that you're telling me about the great Henry Armstrong. Armstrong was WASHED UP when Robinson beat him. He wasn't even half of what he was. Robinson used him for a ladder. Henry was through.

Armstrong was past his best, but still had a lot left. He was still beating very good fighters Jenkis, Zivic to name a couple. He just beat Sammy Angott a few months earlier. He had a lot more left than Marquez and Pac when Mayweather beat him. Pretty simple, but I'm guessing you can't figure this out.

Why even bother? He'll argue with you that sand is more wet than water. By looking at sand, watching pictures of sand, reading about deserts and beaches, it is at ANOTHER LEVEL above water in terms of wetness.

Another level? He likes that one, doesn't he? How about the great sand is wetter than water?
Maybe I shouldn't bother with him anymore. I usually don't respond to him anymore; maybe I should give up entirely. No matter what points people make to him, it never sinks in. He never gets it.

Robinson win over The Raging Bull is not a greater win than Pep beating Sandy Saddler. You know this, but, YOU TURN YOUR FACE TO THE OTHER SIDE.

You're saying that I don't get what you're saying? I get what you're saying. The PROBLEM is the point is not strong enough.

Beating a bigger guy, especially when you can make that weight with almost the same speed and you're taller than the guy that's in his own weight, not necessarily means that is a big accomplishment. Robby was almost 6'0" tall. So, making the middleweight limit was not much of a problem for him. LaMotta is 5'8".

But Saddler? This guy was a phenomenal boxer. A fearful KO artist. In 1944 or '45, I believe, he stopped 15 men in a row. The guy could whack. Plus, at the time, he at least had over 70 wins when he fought Pep. Plus, he took Pep's title.

You try to fit in a shoe that doesn't fit. The great Henry Armstrong was never the same fighter after Fritzie Zivic gave him a shellacking in '40. By '43, he was done. He couldn't beat a top notch fighter in his prime. He lost to the great Beau Jack. He lost to Robinson...It was his time to hang them up.

Willie Pep! The best of the 1940s!

Winning 143 fights in a decade alone is an accomplishment of itself. The great Willie Pep beat some great top notch opposition. He even beat some good lightweights. The only knock I got of him, (if that is a fair one) was that he didn't fought the greats of the lightweight class like Ike Williams, Beau Jack and Bob Montgomery. You cannot fight them all, either.

The questions are:
1. Why there was never a match with Williams or Jack?
2. Did Pep ducked them or they ducked him?

By the way, Pep beat 20 top notch champions and top ten contenders. Maybe more contenders that we probably don't know. Look at the list of boxers that he beat in the 40s decade below:

W10 Miguel Acevedo

Chalky Wright was 134-32-17 when he fought Pep for the first time. Pep schooled him 3 times!

Joey Archibald, (NBA and NY World Featherweight Champion) (Pep beat him twice) (60-31-5)

W10 Allie Stolz (49-6)

Sal Bartolo (NBA World Featherweight Champion) (Pep beat him twice) (46-15-6)

Jackie Wilson, (NBA World Featherweight Champion) (Pep beat him twice) (90-24-7)

W15 Phil Terranova (NBA World Featherweight Champion)

W10 Willie Joyce (52-9-7)....Joyce was a fantastic Jr.welterweight and lightweight contender that beat the great Ike Williams 2 out of 3 fights.

W10 Manuel Ortiz....(World Bantamweight Champion)...One of the finest fighters of the 1940s decade. One of the top 5 best bantamweights ever. Pep schooled him. By the way, to me, Ortiz is the best Chicano fighter ever.

W10 Lulu Constantino...Top featherweight and lightweight contender. (88-11-6)

W10 Eddie Giosa...Top lightweight contender.

W10 Jackie Graves...Another top featherweight and lightweight contender.

Lefty LaChance...Top lightweight contender (Pep beat him twice)

W15 Sandy Saddler...Nuff said with that win. It was Pep's finest hour. Saddler had an outstanding record of 91-6-2. And the great Jake LaMotta was better?

Humberto Sierra...Top Cuban featherweight contender. (Pep beat him twice)

WKO12 Jock Leslie...(57-9-4).

Beat Teddy "Red Top" Davis three times.

W10 Paddy DeMarco (World Lightweight Champion) Was 32-2 when he fought Pep. Paddy beat Sandy Saddler two out of three.

WTKO7 Eddie Compo (57-1-3)

W10 Harold Dade (World Bantamweight Champion) (36-13-4)

Pep also had two unbeaten streaks of 62 and 73. He only lost to Sammy Angott and Saddler in the decade in more than 145 fights! That's a lot of fights! Lots of wins, too!

The Ring Fighter of the Year in 1945.

Two-time World Featherweight Champion (1942-48, 1949-50)...Made 7 title defenses in first reign.

Beat 8 world champions and 3 hall of famers, possibly four with Paddy.

Looking back at his career. I haven't seen a better fighter on record that can boast accomplishments in a decade close to The Wil' of the Wisp.

Did I said the great Willie Pep beat 8 world champions? Yes, but, I was wrong. He beat 9 world champions in the 1940s alone!

The great Charley Burley gave the great Archie Moore a licking in '44. Late legendary trainer Eddie Futch was witness of that. He said that Burley was the best fighter that he ever saw fight live.

The great Manuel Ortiz defended the world bantamweight crown 16 times in his first reign.