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punchoutsb wrote:I have only seen one of his fights. And in that fight (the only live body he's faced) he was over extended, picked up his feet, and didn't look very fast.

Perhaps you can point me to the fights he's showed such marvelous technique in? Maybe the Damon McCreary fight? Vincente Sandez?

I detect an order of sarcasm so I'm going to agree with you but also give you kudos for your BoxRec research in trying to find out who he fought because you obviously did not watch those fights.

What's the feeling on Joshua's beard? Has it been tested?

Honest question, I haven't seen much of him yet.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:I have only seen one of his fights. And in that fight (the only live body he's faced) he was over extended, picked up his feet, and didn't look very fast.

Perhaps you can point me to the fights he's showed such marvelous technique in? Maybe the Damon McCreary fight? Vincente Sandez?

I detect an order of sarcasm so I'm going to agree with you but also give you kudos for your BoxRec research in trying to find out who he fought because you obviously did not watch those fights.

Well...yeah I obviously haven't watched them, hence the "I have only seen one of his fights" statement that I started my post with.

I'm not disagreeing with you that he may be able to beat Joshua. I'm just saying his technique appeared garbage in the only fight I saw of his, and his record is thoroughly unimpressive.

All negativity aside, I hope with all my boxing fan heart that this fight gets made. This is exactly what we need to see; two untested prospects against each other, rather than rehashing the same old nobodies as safe opponents over and over again.

punchoutsb wrote:Well...yeah I obviously haven't watched them, hence the "I have only seen one of his fights" statement that I started my post with.

I'm not disagreeing with you that he may be able to beat Joshua. I'm just saying his technique appeared garbage in the only fight I saw of his, and his record is thoroughly unimpressive.

All negativity aside, I hope with all my boxing fan heart that this fight gets made. This is exactly what we need to see; two untested prospects against each other, rather than rehashing the same old nobodies as safe opponents over and over again.

I hope it gets made too but just fyi; any fighter can be made to look bad vs any other fighter if their styles clash. So any fighter can have a bad day.

This fight seems too good to be true.

I think Martin will fight a tomato can, while Joshua will fight another journeyman.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Well...yeah I obviously haven't watched them, hence the "I have only seen one of his fights" statement that I started my post with.

I'm not disagreeing with you that he may be able to beat Joshua. I'm just saying his technique appeared garbage in the only fight I saw of his, and his record is thoroughly unimpressive.

All negativity aside, I hope with all my boxing fan heart that this fight gets made. This is exactly what we need to see; two untested prospects against each other, rather than rehashing the same old nobodies as safe opponents over and over again.

I hope it gets made too but just fyi; any fighter can be made to look bad vs any other fighter if their styles clash. So any fighter can have a bad day.

Yep, which is why your original statement that Joshua can't KO Martin and his defense sucks made no sense. His size alone should trouble Martin. I hope we get to see this fight.

For me he's nuts, I've seen AJ in a men to men fight, getting close and fast in the middle of the ring, no opponend managed to even simply hit him at all, he's so fast and technical superior, even without his strenght he would probably be a top 5 heavyweight of the world.

punchoutsb wrote:Yep, which is why your original statement that Joshua can't KO Martin and his defense sucks made no sense. His size alone should trouble Martin. I hope we get to see this fight.

The problem is that Joshua always looks the same kind of sloppy to me, it isn't a one fight thing for him because he makes the same mistakes in every bout.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Yep, which is why your original statement that Joshua can't KO Martin and his defense sucks made no sense. His size alone should trouble Martin. I hope we get to see this fight.

The problem is that Joshua always looks the same kind of sloppy to me, it isn't a one fight thing for him because he makes the same mistakes in every bout.

He's fought much better competition than Martin.

asdfjkl wrote:For me he's nuts, I've seen AJ in a men to men fight, getting close and fast in the middle of the ring, no opponend managed to even simply hit him at all, he's so fast and technical superior, even without his strenght he would probably be a top 5 heavyweight of the world.

Then we should expect him to be in the ring with Martin soon.

I think this is an even fight. I think both are pretty much unproven, and look forward to the result! Without seeing either guy much, I guess I would slightly favor Joshua. I hope it gets made.

asdfjkl wrote:For me he's nuts, I've seen AJ in a men to men fight, getting close and fast in the middle of the ring, no opponend managed to even simply hit him at all, he's so fast and technical superior, even without his strenght he would probably be a top 5 heavyweight of the world.

Thats some funny stuff right there. Maybe you shouldn't post when you are drunk, or wait until you are past 7th grade.

Badhusker wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:For me he's nuts, I've seen AJ in a men to men fight, getting close and fast in the middle of the ring, no opponend managed to even simply hit him at all, he's so fast and technical superior, even without his strenght he would probably be a top 5 heavyweight of the world.

Thats some funny stuff right there. Maybe you shouldn't post when you are drunk, or wait until you are past 7th grade.

Lol, you're the one calling both unproven, while the olympic champion of the world beated more boxrex top 100 opponends as Deontay Wilder for example and Martin only fought one person who's known for not having KO power and next to that also unexpectedly got injured after three rounds.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Yep, which is why your original statement that Joshua can't KO Martin and his defense sucks made no sense. His size alone should trouble Martin. I hope we get to see this fight.

The problem is that Joshua always looks the same kind of sloppy to me, it isn't a one fight thing for him because he makes the same mistakes in every bout.

Wait a minute, 'Joshua always looks the same kind of sloppy'?

'He makes the same mistakes in every bout'?

He has been rocked in one of his 15 bouts so far in his pro career. That particular fight where he got rocked in the second round he was not boxing. He got himself into a scuffle which suited Whyte's style and had to recover and get back behind his jab. That fight was an important learning process, not only about boxing and technique, but also how to deal with an emotionally charged situation.

Could you please tell us which of his 14 fights before the Whyte fight that he looked 'sloppy' or highlight the 'same mistakes in every bout'?

AJ by KO/TKO in rounds 7-12.

punchoutsb wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Yep, which is why your original statement that Joshua can't KO Martin and his defense sucks made no sense. His size alone should trouble Martin. I hope we get to see this fight.

The problem is that Joshua always looks the same kind of sloppy to me, it isn't a one fight thing for him because he makes the same mistakes in every bout.

He's fought much better competition than Martin.

I dunno about that. Generally I'd agree with that statement in an overall sense (although Joshua's comp hasnt been that amazing either) but Glazkov is probably a better fighter (on paper atleast and up to this point) than say Whyte.

lefty wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:
The problem is that Joshua always looks the same kind of sloppy to me, it isn't a one fight thing for him because he makes the same mistakes in every bout.

He's fought much better competition than Martin.

I dunno about that. Generally I'd agree with that statement in an overall sense (although Joshua's comp hasnt been that amazing either) but Glazkov is probably a better fighter (on paper atleast and up to this point) than say Whyte.

Anthony Joshua's resume is far from a "Who's Who", but Martins resume is just plain "Who?"

Glazkov is, on paper, the best win either man has. But since we are supposed to be thinking critters, we don't need to solely rely on paper. Glazkov should have had three losses going into that fight, and none of them are top tier guys (Scott, Rossy, Cunningham). Still, I'd rank him as the best single win.

Aside from him, Martin has only faced two guys I would even class as tough journeymen; Kertson Manswell (who has been knocked out SEVEN times) and Joey Dawejko (who took the fight on a weeks notice).

AJ has Skelton, Bakhtov, Sprott, and Johnson for his tough journeyman. A much more accomplished crew. When you throw in his win over a somewhat legit prospect in Dillian Whyte I'd say its pretty clear he's fought the better overall competition. I'm not saying Martin wouldn't be undefeated against Joshua's comp, he very well could be; but I know AJ wouldn't have a draw fighting against Martin's comp.

I don't know much about Martin, and quite frankly I am still sore over the IBF being such asses to strip Fury of the title, therefore making this belt completely worthless. However, I am hoping that Martin pulls the upset. No offense, but the Dillian Whyte contest showed me that Joshua is as much hype as he is powerful. If someone can get to Joshua first, Joshua is a sitting duck. He's mostly all offense, and fights in a straight line. It's almost like watching David Price all over again, except Joshua is a different color. I have never understood why the British have never learned their lessons in the past as fans, of getting behind those of the traditional style which can be easily countered by the man with more conditioning, greater footwork, better patience and all around more tools to use. The only edge I can really give the British and European heavyweights is that they have greater conditioning than American heavyweights, but outside of Tyson Fury and David Haye they all have essentially the same style.

"However, allegedly boxing analyst, Carl Frampton’s manager/promoter and former world champion Barry McGuigan warns Joshua to steer clear of a proposed bout with largely unproven IBF heavyweight champion Charles Martin. Even though McGuigan believes Joshua well might get past Martin and become heavyweight champion, he could pay a heavy price down the line by having to defend against better quality opponents than he’s ready for."

LOL this is a division when people "defend" their "titles" vs the likes of Eric Molina and Alex Leapai. That statement is a joke.

Joshua should beat Martin easily. I've seen Martin fight several times. Very amateurish technically. Joshua isn't super-polished but Martin is even more stiff-legged than he is . . .

dempseyfire wrote:"However, allegedly boxing analyst, Carl Frampton’s manager/promoter and former world champion Barry McGuigan warns Joshua to steer clear of a proposed bout with largely unproven IBF heavyweight champion Charles Martin. Even though McGuigan believes Joshua well might get past Martin and become heavyweight champion, he could pay a heavy price down the line by having to defend against better quality opponents than he’s ready for."

LOL this is a division when people "defend" their "titles" vs the likes of Eric Molina and Alex Leapai. That statement is a joke.

That quote effectively sums up everything that is wrong with boxing today. Pathetic.

dempseyfire wrote:Joshua should beat Martin easily. I've seen Martin fight several times. Very amateurish technically. Joshua isn't super-polished but Martin is even more stiff-legged than he is . . .

Easy now, 49-0 thinks he's technically solid, what with the foot flailing in the air when he throws an over extended straight right and all.

...an Olympic champ, 2,5 years in paid ranks, Joshua should be ready to fight for the belt especially if challenged and defend the belt against quality opposition if need be...

punchoutsb wrote:Easy now, 49-0 thinks he's technically solid, what with the foot flailing in the air when he throws an over extended straight right and all.

McGuigan knows boxing and he agrees with me.
http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/mcguiga ... tin-324272

Come on Joshua, step up to the plate.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Easy now, 49-0 thinks he's technically solid, what with the foot flailing in the air when he throws an over extended straight right and all.

McGuigan knows boxing and he agrees with me.
http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/mcguiga ... tin-324272

You agree with him lol, that's something else. I also think it would be better for his carreer to not make him carry that belt after less pro fights and less rounds as any other heavyweight in the past... At least 50 years.
On the other side, I've watched the top 15 of that belt and I think Joshua can beat most of them and can fight them as practice material for the comming 12 months as well. I've also suggested Martin could offer to become inactive for 8 months or so and then simply ask Joshua for a bigger pile of money. That way both fighters got time to improve, Joshua a few more opponends and Martin behind the scenes.

Well we'll find out in 4 hours if it'll be Martin or not...