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Tanzio wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Injuries often happen when the athlete is pushed beyond the norm. IMO, Glazkov recognized Martin's increased pressure and his power and he began overcompensating and moving beyond his body's muscle memory.

I would not mind seeing a rematch but I have always considered Glazkov undersized and lacking the pop to take the top level HWs.

Glazkov definitely undersized in this division. Also his KO rate is pretty low, so clearly lacks the power in this division. I don't think anyone expected him to come though this fight anyway, even though Martin is not that highly regarded, but purely because he's a bigger man and can punch.

That said, Martin did not apply any kind of 'pressure' in my opinion. He hadn't even hit him with any meaningful shots or thrown any combos or made it look as though Glazkov was in any kind of trouble at any point. He threw 106 punches in 3 rounds with only 26 landing. I'm probably not going to put that down to a barrage. I think Martin would have eventually gone on to win the fight, but the injury occurred irrespective of Martin being in the ring with him.

You don't have to land to apply pressure. Glazkov felt / was aware of Martin's power and the increased pressure and he overcompensated, IMO (even if it was subconsciously).

The ACL tear had nothing to do with pressure being applied. There are plenty of instances when an ACL tear happened to an athlete where no contact or stress was involved. It's simply a freak accident. I tore my left ACL both times playing sports and neither one was due to undue stress or pressure on me.

Maybe Martin should use his ACL tearing techniques against Joshua.

Rob3_142 wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Let me get this straight...

None of you are disputing the contention that this fight sold out in 90 seconds.

But when I posted something about Joshua vs Whyte doing 400K buys, you chuckleheads swore I was on narcotics.

Well, I believe it DID sell out in 90 seconds.

And the figure from Joshua vs Whyte is closer to 450K.

https://www.boxingnewsandviews.com/2015 ... -35253463/

Joshua is a legit draw, and rightfully so.

I don't think anyone is disputing that Joshua is a draw. I think the problem is the speed that the tickets were lapped up and subsequently up for sale on sell on sites.

I personally was a LOT more surprised that the tickets went in 90 seconds than Joshua getting 440k PPV buys.

You should have seen the Einsteins on here ridiculing the notion that Joshua did anywhere near 400K buys.

Got all sorts of boneheaded rationales why it just could not be so.

Joshua IS a draw. And he IS legit.

And he is only going to get better with each outing.

Tanzio wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Injuries often happen when the athlete is pushed beyond the norm. IMO, Glazkov recognized Martin's increased pressure and his power and he began overcompensating and moving beyond his body's muscle memory.

I would not mind seeing a rematch but I have always considered Glazkov undersized and lacking the pop to take the top level HWs.

Glazkov definitely undersized in this division. Also his KO rate is pretty low, so clearly lacks the power in this division. I don't think anyone expected him to come though this fight anyway, even though Martin is not that highly regarded, but purely because he's a bigger man and can punch.

That said, Martin did not apply any kind of 'pressure' in my opinion. He hadn't even hit him with any meaningful shots or thrown any combos or made it look as though Glazkov was in any kind of trouble at any point. He threw 106 punches in 3 rounds with only 26 landing. I'm probably not going to put that down to a barrage. I think Martin would have eventually gone on to win the fight, but the injury occurred irrespective of Martin being in the ring with him.

You don't have to land to apply pressure. Glazkov felt / was aware of Martin's power and the increased pressure and he overcompensated, IMO (even if it was subconsciously).

You know you're talking complete and utter rubbish, right?

If any professional boxer got into a ring, especially for a world title, and didn't expect to be under some kind of pressure at some point in the fight, then.....well what's he doing in a boxing ring?! Look at the training that world level boxer goes through, they're pushing their bodies to their physical extremes. Back and forth, side to side. These are the movements that he'd be expected to do several times through a fight, without consequence.

He's torn his ACL probably because of a pre-existing problem, or the breaking point of a chronic problem. You see it all the time in football where a player innocuously ruptures a medial ligament with no player within 5 metres. Not because there's an aura of power from another player putting 'pressure' on him, or any voodoo curse before the match started.

Also I'm pretty certain it's not possible to subconsciously tear your ACL. The mind is a powerful thing, but it's not that powerful...

koolkc107 wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Let me get this straight...

None of you are disputing the contention that this fight sold out in 90 seconds.

But when I posted something about Joshua vs Whyte doing 400K buys, you chuckleheads swore I was on narcotics.

Well, I believe it DID sell out in 90 seconds.

And the figure from Joshua vs Whyte is closer to 450K.

https://www.boxingnewsandviews.com/2015 ... -35253463/

Joshua is a legit draw, and rightfully so.

I don't think anyone is disputing that Joshua is a draw. I think the problem is the speed that the tickets were lapped up and subsequently up for sale on sell on sites.

I personally was a LOT more surprised that the tickets went in 90 seconds than Joshua getting 440k PPV buys.

You should have seen the Einsteins on here ridiculing the notion that Joshua did anywhere near 400K buys.

Got all sorts of boneheaded rationales why it just could not be so.

Joshua IS a draw. And he IS legit.

And he is only going to get better with each outing.

Well I'm shocked and appalled that it was met with that kind of response. I think the draw and his boxing potential are just two completely different animals. I mean you could sell Joshua as a brand to absolutely anyone. You could have him fighting an inflatable banana and you'd probably still sell 400k PPV. His potential however is a boxing issue, and we'll probably get a true reflection of his world class status with how he deals with Martin.

Tanzio wrote:

palooka wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Based on what I have seen of him, I would have to agree that Martin does not look "that good." However, I do believe that he was in the process of walking the undersized Glazkov down, due to the fact that there was nothing to fear from him pop-wise. I think that Martin had everything to do with Glazkov's injuries.

Glazkov's knee popped and he seemed to be winning the bout to me. Martin v Joshua could be a really good scrap.

IMO, his knee popped due to the crescendo of pressure Martin was applying.

LOL you are a joker. Seriously dude where is all your clown makeup anyway??

Rob3_142 wrote:

crusader wrote:

Tanzio wrote: IMO, his knee popped due to the crescendo of pressure Martin was applying.

That seems far-fetched to me based on the video.

Seconded. Martin wasn't anywhere near him when it happened. Looked like he maybe twisted it awkwardly or something. Do we know what the prognosis is?

Torn ligaments/ Out for about a year or so.

Baby Face Finster wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
Glazkov definitely undersized in this division. Also his KO rate is pretty low, so clearly lacks the power in this division. I don't think anyone expected him to come though this fight anyway, even though Martin is not that highly regarded, but purely because he's a bigger man and can punch.

That said, Martin did not apply any kind of 'pressure' in my opinion. He hadn't even hit him with any meaningful shots or thrown any combos or made it look as though Glazkov was in any kind of trouble at any point. He threw 106 punches in 3 rounds with only 26 landing. I'm probably not going to put that down to a barrage. I think Martin would have eventually gone on to win the fight, but the injury occurred irrespective of Martin being in the ring with him.

You don't have to land to apply pressure. Glazkov felt / was aware of Martin's power and the increased pressure and he overcompensated, IMO (even if it was subconsciously).

The ACL tear had nothing to do with pressure being applied. There are plenty of instances when an ACL tear happened to an athlete where no contact or stress was involved. It's simply a freak accident. I tore my left ACL both times playing sports and neither one was due to undue stress or pressure on me.

That's all fine. ACL tears are not all "freak accidents." Most are caused by changing direction rapidly, stopping suddenly, or certain types of severe impacts.

Glazkov was being forced to change direction more rapidly and stop more suddenly than his body is accustomed to by the pressure being applied by Martin, IMO.

I have also torn both knees and both were due to battle conditions, not freak accidents.

Rob3_142 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
Glazkov definitely undersized in this division. Also his KO rate is pretty low, so clearly lacks the power in this division. I don't think anyone expected him to come though this fight anyway, even though Martin is not that highly regarded, but purely because he's a bigger man and can punch.

That said, Martin did not apply any kind of 'pressure' in my opinion. He hadn't even hit him with any meaningful shots or thrown any combos or made it look as though Glazkov was in any kind of trouble at any point. He threw 106 punches in 3 rounds with only 26 landing. I'm probably not going to put that down to a barrage. I think Martin would have eventually gone on to win the fight, but the injury occurred irrespective of Martin being in the ring with him.

You don't have to land to apply pressure. Glazkov felt / was aware of Martin's power and the increased pressure and he overcompensated, IMO (even if it was subconsciously).

You know you're talking complete and utter rubbish, right?

If any professional boxer got into a ring, especially for a world title, and didn't expect to be under some kind of pressure at some point in the fight, then.....well what's he doing in a boxing ring?! Look at the training that world level boxer goes through, they're pushing their bodies to their physical extremes. Back and forth, side to side. These are the movements that he'd be expected to do several times through a fight, without consequence.

He's torn his ACL probably because of a pre-existing problem, or the breaking point of a chronic problem. You see it all the time in football where a player innocuously ruptures a medial ligament with no player within 5 metres. Not because there's an aura of power from another player putting 'pressure' on him, or any voodoo curse before the match started.

Also I'm pretty certain it's not possible to subconsciously tear your ACL. The mind is a powerful thing, but it's not that powerful...

I am simply stating an opinion based on experience. Martin turned up the pressure. Glazkov got injured.

I did not mean to suggest that you can tear an ACL subconsciously. However, your subconscious can influence your physical actions. I do believe that Glazkov was acutely aware of Martin's power and pressure and it resulted in the injury.

I think that the snippet above even suggests it.

Lancenix wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

palooka wrote:
Glazkov's knee popped and he seemed to be winning the bout to me. Martin v Joshua could be a really good scrap.

IMO, his knee popped due to the crescendo of pressure Martin was applying.

LOL you are a joker. Seriously dude where is all your clown makeup anyway??

. . . says the fool in the corner pounding the one key piano with a vengeance.

crusader wrote:Maybe Martin should use his ACL tearing techniques against Joshua.

Not likely to work on a man of Joshua's physical stature.

^^^ you're posting some very strange opinions. You Mgr want to read some science though. To educate yourself and better support your opinions.

Kingfield wrote:^^^ you're posting some very strange opinions. You Mgr want to read some science though. To educate yourself and better support your opinions.

I don't think that it is strange at all. While someone may tear an ACL as a result of a freak accident or as a result of wear and tear, often ACLs are torn due to actions that cause violent reactions.

While a football or soccer player may tear an ACL without interference of an opposing player, ACLs are certainly torn as a result of reactions to opposing players actions. Often, the tears are not a result of direct impact but rather the actions taken to avoid direct impact.

Impact certainly can and does cause ACL tears, like the time I was blown off a three story building, landing right leg first, which collapsed at the knee and ended up behind my back. But evading impact absolutely can cause ACL tears as it did when I over compensated to avoid a vehicle attempting to run me down.

crusader wrote:And they're back on sale

The first victim of boxing is always the truth

Kingfield wrote:^^^ you're posting some very strange opinions. You Mgr want to read some science though. To educate yourself and better support your opinions.

The sad thing is this is very normal for him.

Lancenix wrote:

Kingfield wrote:^^^ you're posting some very strange opinions. You Mgr want to read some science though. To educate yourself and better support your opinions.

The sad thing is this is very normal for him.

. . . says the fool who contends that the entire population of a continent are cowards

it's possible that when the ticket portal was opened the available tickets were allocated to buyers within 90 seconds. probably a few more minutes to complete the transactions, name, credit cards etc
the public tickets sold out over 3 days
day 1 matchroom subscribers
day 2 o2 priority
day 3 remainder on general sale
anyone know how many tickets were available on each day?

crusader wrote:Maybe Martin should use his ACL tearing techniques against Joshua.

AJs knees are so Jacked an juiced up it won't work mate

..the match will be probably over in just about the same time...

greg wrote:..the match will be probably over in just about the same time...

If that is true, it could most definitely go either way.

Tanzio wrote:

palooka wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Based on what I have seen of him, I would have to agree that Martin does not look "that good." However, I do believe that he was in the process of walking the undersized Glazkov down, due to the fact that there was nothing to fear from him pop-wise. I think that Martin had everything to do with Glazkov's injuries.

Glazkov's knee popped and he seemed to be winning the bout to me. Martin v Joshua could be a really good scrap.

IMO, his knee popped due to the crescendo of pressure Martin was applying.

That is really stupid. Is your head that far up your ass, or are you trolling?

did you people even watch the martin-glazkov fight?
glazkov was wincing for over a minute BEFORE he finally went down.
it was the old southpaw-rightie toe stepping that initially started the wincing
and wobbling, but before that martin WAS walking down glazkov. martin was
stalking glazkov. after the first round, you could see glazkov had much more
respect for martin than martin did for glazkov. the injury happened because
their feet got caught up 3 times, which happens with righties and lefties,
but glazkov was going to lose that fight, injury or no injury.

Lackeos wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

palooka wrote:
Glazkov's knee popped and he seemed to be winning the bout to me. Martin v Joshua could be a really good scrap.

IMO, his knee popped due to the crescendo of pressure Martin was applying.

That is really stupid. Is your head that far up your ass, or are you trolling?

Maybe I did not put it as eloquently as I could have, but yes, I do believe that the pressure that Martin applied (quite possibly) caused Glazkov to maneuver unnaturally and injure himself.

Now, you can go sodomize yourself with your wife's lover (her big vibrator).

Doesn't everything sell out in 90 seconds these days?

I think there might be a glitch in ticketmasters computer, or something.

Krzysztof Zimnoch, the Charles Martin of Poland, just lost his first match after 18 wins in a row