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Nightmare Roy wrote:

lillywhite14 wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote: It's true heard some guy saying how Joshua was a beast who would beat Lewis and Tyson the other day. Take a seat son.

A lot of these casuals will point to Joshua having bigger biceps and 'being swole bro' as reasons to why he would beat anybody etc

Yep, no fcuking idea, you used to hear some comedy Gold from the casuals when Hatton was fighting too.

I don't understand their mentality though. If I went to watch England at Twickenham for example, I'd be classed as a casual and just enjoy the occasion. I wouldn't start harping on about how Mike Brown needs throw the ball forward more to get Robshaw involved in the ruck mauls to create space for one of the strikers to bag the 4 points.

TopGun wrote:Got a feeling It could be a terrible event. I have a feeling the undercard will be weak beacuse Eddie can get away with not putting much else on. I have a feeling Joshua may blast him out in a few rounds. I'll watch it from home.

He's already said that he's had to reduce the undercard to get Martin on the bill. I still think that there could 4-5 fights of decent note, but it might be wishful thinking to get anything similar to the 12th December card. Still be better than the Haye debacle though...

milpool wrote:Watch them 'sell out in seconds'...

The above quote was what I wrote in the thread 'O2 tickets'...it was so predictable.

It does make you wonder who tbe touts are and how they get easy access to buying them up at 9am and 1 second. When the ordinary man rings up at 9am the phone is engaged. You get one chance to call them and thats it when the tickets go in 90 seconds. Someone must be on tbe inside selling tickets before they actually go on sale. There are many tickets on stub hub that are in groups. The general fan does not call wanting multipul amounts in tbe scale that you can buy at over 5 times the face value. These tickets must be sold prior to general sale.

Given that the arena in which the fight is taking place can hold over 15000 folks I find it amazing that it sold out in 90 seconds. I understand it is for a big world title shot for an Olympic gold medalist and that the average fan on the street will have an interest. But, and this is a big but. The real fans have again been locked out. I was lucky enough to get a pair of tickets for Hatton against pacman in Vegas back in 2009 and only payed £100 in total. The mgm holds fewer people than the O2. The government needs to step in, not just for boxing but all sports events and music concerts. It's time to ensure that tickets have payment card details printed on them or the photo of at least one of the recipient's plastered onto them. This would remove the ability for the sharks to make their money. The second option is for folks to stop buying from the black market and allow a venue to be half empty to finally get the message through to the greedy promoters. Whilst people continue to buy from secondary sites they will continue to sell them.

I'm curious how much people think the stubhub tickets will reduce to come the week of the fight.

Just looked at Frampton vs Quigg tickets and they are pretty close to the face value - maybe about 15-25% over rather than the original 300%

It's very simple for them to beat it if they want.

At the Frampton v kiko outside bout in BelfastI got tickets a week before the fight, failed originally, upon arrival they moved us closer to the ring as many of them seats were unsold (empty)

It was destined to sell out in an instant ,AJ is the nations darling at the moment , but lets be fair that IBF title has zero value because of the way they stripped the legitimate unified heavyweight world champion .
Like it or lump it until someone beats big Fury he is the man

Simple fix DON'T BUY THEM ,,, Touts gets stuck with them a couple of times ,, they'll soon give it up ... Tax man could help stop it a lot has well ... Easty to have an inspector ring up seller ,, I'll take the 20 , how much ,, Oh by the way hope your going to declare the massive profit , cos we know you bought 500 and you sold them . cough up sunshine open your books , , Not got books oh heres your fine .

wesshaw1985 wrote:don't buy from stub hub, don't buy from touts.
Only way to kill these problems...

Don't buy sub-standard pay-per view events blah, blah , trouble is people with too much money and no will power will buy them.

rd350lc wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:don't buy from stub hub, don't buy from touts.
Only way to kill these problems...

Don't buy sub-standard pay-per view events blah, blah , trouble is people with too much money and no will power will buy them.

as long as you or me don't get stung paying over the odds who cares?
it cant be stopped whilst demand out weighs supply, no point whinging just join team stream and stay home.
Can't say I'm sad to be missing out on watching live 2 up and coming heavyweights fight for a stripped world title belt...

Don't want to say I told you so but I started a thread on this quite a while back. Matchroom are an awful virus on boxing in my view. Their Sky monopoly has allowed them to engage in some utterly ridiculous practices which simply screw the fans over. Before these arseholes came into boxing when had any boxing fan ever had trouble getting a ticket for a big fight at face value? Never. The sport simply isn't popular enough in Britain for events like this to sell out to genuine fans within a minute of going on sale.

It's the same story for their other sports. Darts: try getting tickets to the premier league r wrd championships on a front table. Impossible because those tickets don't go on general sale. They are sold on stubhub for 5 times the price. Snooker: try getting a world championship final ticket. Can't be done but on stubhub they are available. It's an utter bloody scandal.

This is without even mentioning some of the shite they serve up on PPV.

SteveDow wrote:Don't want to say I told you so but I started a thread on this quite a while back. Matchroom are an awful virus on boxing in my view. Their Sky monopoly has allowed them to engage in some utterly ridiculous practices which simply screw the fans over. Before these arseholes came into boxing when had any boxing fan ever had trouble getting a ticket for a big fight at face value? Never. The sport simply isn't popular enough in Britain for events like this to sell out to genuine fans within a minute of going on sale.

It's the same story for their other sports. Darts: try getting tickets to the premier league r wrd championships on a front table. Impossible because those tickets don't go on general sale. They are sold on stubhub for 5 times the price. Snooker: try getting a world championship final ticket. Can't be done but on stubhub they are available. It's an utter bloody scandal.

This is without even mentioning some of the shite they serve up on PPV.

Some like Hearn would strongly disagree with your point.

He'll say that he's given these sports a bigger platform. The financial reward/prize is much bigger than it has ever been before. You remember what a darts player used to get for winning the world championships? In 1997 it was £45,000, similar to the BDO world champs. This year it was £300,000.

Unfortunately the argument is two fold. How it affects the purest fans. And how it raises the profile of the sport. You cannot have one without the other, simple as. The players would argue it's better than it ever has, and the purest will say it's the worst it ever has been.

We've all seen it. The darts becomes a stag do capital of the country, and anyone going to watch the darts for the darts will hate it. Just like when purest fans go watch the boxing and there's a plethora of plonkers in the crowd refusing to sit down and enjoy the boxing in it's purest form as opposed to the spectacle.

To offer some perspective. The BDO world championships is still very similar to it's original platform. Around about 10% the prize fund of the PDC, and still playing its world championships in clubs with a seated capacity of 500 people. Do we want to go back there?

I know I'm playing devil's advocate, but I can understand how we've ended where we are. I don't see it getting better any time soon.

mimmy123 wrote:It does make you wonder who tbe touts are and how they get easy access to buying them up at 9am and 1 second. When the ordinary man rings up at 9am the phone is engaged. You get one chance to call them and thats it when the tickets go in 90 seconds. Someone must be on tbe inside selling tickets before they actually go on sale. There are many tickets on stub hub that are in groups. The general fan does not call wanting multipul amounts in tbe scale that you can buy at over 5 times the face value. These tickets must be sold prior to general sale.

Matchroom are in cahoots with stub hub, they advertise on corner posts and on the ring apron.
It's a disgraceful situation and you have to wonder how many of the tickets are put on general sale.

samwbr wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:It does make you wonder who tbe touts are and how they get easy access to buying them up at 9am and 1 second. When the ordinary man rings up at 9am the phone is engaged. You get one chance to call them and thats it when the tickets go in 90 seconds. Someone must be on tbe inside selling tickets before they actually go on sale. There are many tickets on stub hub that are in groups. The general fan does not call wanting multipul amounts in tbe scale that you can buy at over 5 times the face value. These tickets must be sold prior to general sale.

Matchroom are in cahoots with stub hub, they advertise on corner posts and on the ring apron.
It's a disgraceful situation and you have to wonder how many of the tickets are put on general sale.

Hearn even thanked StubHub in the press conference yesterday. Thanks for what exactly?

The real boxing fan will never get to see a big event again at ticket face value price. Not while stub hub is around.

mimmy123 wrote:It does make you wonder who tbe touts are and how they get easy access to buying them up at 9am and 1 second. When the ordinary man rings up at 9am the phone is engaged. You get one chance to call them and thats it when the tickets go in 90 seconds. Someone must be on tbe inside selling tickets before they actually go on sale. There are many tickets on stub hub that are in groups. The general fan does not call wanting multipul amounts in tbe scale that you can buy at over 5 times the face value. These tickets must be sold prior to general sale.

I read a book called Flash Boys by Michael Lewis, the big traders (and presumedly big ticket resellers) use very fast internet connections to get in there before any one else. All the tickets are snapped up electronically, it's not done on the phone.

palooka wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:It does make you wonder who tbe touts are and how they get easy access to buying them up at 9am and 1 second. When the ordinary man rings up at 9am the phone is engaged. You get one chance to call them and thats it when the tickets go in 90 seconds. Someone must be on tbe inside selling tickets before they actually go on sale. There are many tickets on stub hub that are in groups. The general fan does not call wanting multipul amounts in tbe scale that you can buy at over 5 times the face value. These tickets must be sold prior to general sale.

I read a book called Flash Boys by Michael Lewis, the big traders (and presumedly big ticket resellers) use very fast internet connections to get in there before any one else. All the tickets are snapped up electronically, it's not done on the phone.

It may well be true Pal, but there has to be tickets going to stub hub from the promotion. As ive said tickets go onsale at 9am, generally sell outs like this makes the computer system crash. This is why when ever I want a ticket I use ticketmaster ireland rather than ticketmaster uk. Everyone is on ticket master uk and cant get a ticket as the system is over loaded. But buying on ticketmaster ireland you get through no problems.

The phone is a waste of time as they only have a handful of talesales operators.

No, I thinks many tickets are automatically pushed to stubhub. I just wonder if the promotion has shares in stubhub? If this is the case well there will be no doubt that tickets are going to them to make the promotion more money. If there was no stubhub would the man in the street pay £200 for a back seat ticket? I doubt it but when there is a burst on like this the man has no option if he wants to go. As others have said stop buying from touts, but we all know this would never happen.

StubHub are a huge company, far bigger than Matchroom will ever be.

Sometimes developments like fast internet connections and all this stuff that the big ticket sellers have has not been an advancement for us real fans. Oh for the days when if you wanted to go to something bad enough, you went down to the venue and queued up at specific times and had a max of 4 tickets allowed. At least then there were just the old fashioned touts on a street corner on matchdays, not these faceless twats who want to charge £904 for a very average seat at the O2.

Still that's enough of the old days......During the War......

No wonder folk are turning to free streaming

Almost everyone I know streams, it's got to be ruining Sky's business.

mickey1975 wrote:Almost everyone I know streams, it's got to be ruining Sky's business.

And deservedly. If sky offered a more value for money package, customers would buy that rather than risk a poor stream. But Sky are obsessed by quick YOY money and not looking at the longer game.

And imagine the cost if you're a pub/venue buying sky sports. With premium property prices, high tax on booze and pubs closing down its going to be a struggle to get business contracts.

I imagine (and I know very little about big corporation commerce to be clear) that the whole thing will collapse when Murdoch dies....

I think the way these things work is this -the promoter arranges the total cost of the show including all purse money. He will have planned to cover all of these costs via ticket sales. His profit will come from a share of the TV revenue and advertising. His worries will be over as soon as all tickets have been sold at face value. If it can be arranged that the tickets are guaranteed to be sold , for example to secondary ticketing outlets, then the promoter can start to count his profits. This happens regularly with rock concerts.
The problem for us boxing fans is that there are many thousands who will pay the money demanded by the ticket touts for a ' good night out'. As long as the promoter knows this, he can't lose. Our only hope is that some of the casual fans actually enjoy the boxing and this encourages them to go back to smaller events.