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caldo2025 wrote:

Andrew Kearney wrote:There seems to be a trend among American boxers that they drop belts and vacate if they are unwilling or afraid to face their mandatories. American presence in boxing has declined substantially in the past 15 years to the point almost all of the top 10 P4P boxers today are nonAmerican (most according to boxrec are Eastern European). Fans need to call these American frauds out.

Peter Quillin repeatedly ducked Golovkin and fought bums then dropped his belt rather than fight Russian Matt Korobov.

Danny Garcia did not have the confidence to fight his mandatory Viktor Postol so dropped his belt and gave it up to Postol.

Deontay Wilder has fought bums and now that he's lost the bid to Povetkin will likely be vacating the belt. I guess he just doesn't want to fight a guy that could actually beat him? Pathetic. Wilder beat up taxi drivers and runs like a little girl vacating his title the first time a real fight VS a top3 guy comes his way. "Pathetic" isn't even the word.

"Fraud" describes these American boxers better. They fight bums brought to lose in the USA but Haymon can only protect them for so long. Then they vacate when they know a challenger is for real.

No wonder all of the best boxers and champs are non Americans now a days. The American boxers are frauds. Then again I dont blame Wilder, Povetkin will KO him and his team knows it. Hence dropping the belt.

As an American who is not too fond of the European faction of this site, I can't argue with this opinion. He's right. Forget about the who ducked this guy and who ducked that guy stuff, because that's not exactly the point here. The main point he is trying to make here is that American Boxers and Promoters are killing this sport. HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. We can all thank Floyd for creating this Haymonistic environment in which the goal isn't to win belts or challenge the best. The goal is to make the most money possible by taking the least amount of risk. That's it. Floyd showed all of these younger boxers that you can go 10 years as champion without fighting the number one contender and still make more money than anyone has ever made in the sport.

Boxers foreign to America are the ones pushing for the best fights right now. Kovalev and GGG lead the pack in how it's supposed to be done. These two want to fight the best 3 times a year. If the American's had half the heart of these other boxers, the sport would be soaring...But instead we have postponed fights, vacated titles and promoters protecting prospects. American Boxers are pussies. Fact

When did he say anything about promoters....or Floyd? Your hate clearly clouds your judgment, and I would add you to the list of anti-american freak fucktards that are ruining this site. You seem to always read between the lines saying crap like Floyd's iv was illegal, and Manny not disclosing his injury was somehow twisted as an integrity move. Holy shit, it goes on and on. If you don't like boxing, don't like what is going on, get the fornicate out. Boxing will be better off without fans like you and the American haters above in this stupid thread.

I do agree that FMJ's business plan has affected a generation of fighters who contemplate their professional decisions with a more complicated formula than "will the keyboard warriors accuse me of being a pussy and a coward?"

FMJ has sought to limit risk to himself and his interests while maximizing profit in one of the most dangerous sports in existence. He has been fabulously successful at it. While there are several fights that should have happened or I wish would have taken place with FMJ, I would never accuse him of being a coward or a pussy.

On the contrary, I think that those who accuse professional boxers of being cowards and pussies are compensating for their own inadequacies.

Tanzio wrote:FMJ has sought to limit risk to himself and his interests while maximizing profit.

i don't worship floyd but the lengths people have to go to in order to
come up with criticism prove just how good he has been. people said
canelo was too big and floyd wouldn't take that fight, then after floyd
beat him rather easily, backing him up and winning almost all the
exchanges and hardly getting touched, people complained he should
have waited until canelo was more developed and mature, bla bla.
there is always a way to diminish someone's accomplishments,
but when you listen to the criticism of floyd, it's pretty clear we
are talking about another level of criticism. if he picks a top 10
former multi-titlist, he is reaching too far down in competition
levels. if he beats several future hall of famer, multi-division major
title holders in a row when they are all pound for pound guys and
top 5 in the division, he fought this one 2 years too late, this one
a year too early, this one 3 few pounds too heavy, this one 2 pounds
too light, should have stood and traded more with this one, etc.
sometimes i listen to it and i think, wow this guy was THAT good
that this is the length we have to go in order to criticize the guy.
we don't go this far to criticize anyone else.

sucracristo wrote:

Tanzio wrote:FMJ has sought to limit risk to himself and his interests while maximizing profit.

i don't worship floyd but the lengths people have to go to in order to
come up with criticism prove just how good he has been. people said
canelo was too big and floyd wouldn't take that fight, then after floyd
beat him rather easily, backing him up and winning almost all the
exchanges and hardly getting touched, people complained he should
have waited until canelo was more developed and mature, bla bla.
there is always a way to diminish someone's accomplishments,
but when you listen to the criticism of floyd, it's pretty clear we
are talking about another level of criticism. if he picks a top 10
former multi-titlist, he is reaching too far down in competition
levels. if he beats several future hall of famer, multi-division major
title holders in a row when they are all pound for pound guys and
top 5 in the division, he fought this one 2 years too late, this one
a year too early, this one 3 few pounds too heavy, this one 2 pounds
too light, should have stood and traded more with this one, etc.
sometimes i listen to it and i think, wow this guy was THAT good
that this is the length we have to go in order to criticize the guy.
we don't go this far to criticize anyone else.

Actually, a whole generation of an entire continent's boxers are being criticized for trying to emulate FMJ's business plan, more or less.

caldo2025 wrote:

Andrew Kearney wrote:There seems to be a trend among American boxers that they drop belts and vacate if they are unwilling or afraid to face their mandatories. American presence in boxing has declined substantially in the past 15 years to the point almost all of the top 10 P4P boxers today are nonAmerican (most according to boxrec are Eastern European). Fans need to call these American frauds out.

Peter Quillin repeatedly ducked Golovkin and fought bums then dropped his belt rather than fight Russian Matt Korobov.

Danny Garcia did not have the confidence to fight his mandatory Viktor Postol so dropped his belt and gave it up to Postol.

Deontay Wilder has fought bums and now that he's lost the bid to Povetkin will likely be vacating the belt. I guess he just doesn't want to fight a guy that could actually beat him? Pathetic. Wilder beat up taxi drivers and runs like a little girl vacating his title the first time a real fight VS a top3 guy comes his way. "Pathetic" isn't even the word.

"Fraud" describes these American boxers better. They fight bums brought to lose in the USA but Haymon can only protect them for so long. Then they vacate when they know a challenger is for real.

No wonder all of the best boxers and champs are non Americans now a days. The American boxers are frauds. Then again I dont blame Wilder, Povetkin will KO him and his team knows it. Hence dropping the belt.

As an American who is not too fond of the European faction of this site, I can't argue with this opinion. He's right. Forget about the who ducked this guy and who ducked that guy stuff, because that's not exactly the point here. The main point he is trying to make here is that American Boxers and Promoters are killing this sport. HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. We can all thank Floyd for creating this Haymonistic environment in which the goal isn't to win belts or challenge the best. The goal is to make the most money possible by taking the least amount of risk. That's it. Floyd showed all of these younger boxers that you can go 10 years as champion without fighting the number one contender and still make more money than anyone has ever made in the sport.

Boxers foreign to America are the ones pushing for the best fights right now. Kovalev and GGG lead the pack in how it's supposed to be done. These two want to fight the best 3 times a year. If the American's had half the heart of these other boxers, the sport would be soaring...But instead we have postponed fights, vacated titles and promoters protecting prospects. American Boxers are pussies. Fact

This post could not have been written any better. This is right on the money. Fabulous writing. It is the damn TRUTH.

Tanzio wrote:I do agree that FMJ's business plan has affected a generation of fighters who contemplate their professional decisions with a more complicated formula than "will the keyboard warriors accuse me of being a pussy and a coward?"

FMJ has sought to limit risk to himself and his interests while maximizing profit in one of the most dangerous sports in existence. He has been fabulously successful at it. While there are several fights that should have happened or I wish would have taken place with FMJ, I would never accuse him of being a coward or a pussy.

On the contrary, I think that those who accuse professional boxers of being cowards and pussies are compensating for their own inadequacies.

That is why all the top guys at 147 he has fought exactly NONE of them. Anytime you want to go over his career fight by fight after his second fight with JLC let me know. It is for the most part pretty pathetic.

Lancenix wrote:

Tanzio wrote:I do agree that FMJ's business plan has affected a generation of fighters who contemplate their professional decisions with a more complicated formula than "will the keyboard warriors accuse me of being a pussy and a coward?"

FMJ has sought to limit risk to himself and his interests while maximizing profit in one of the most dangerous sports in existence. He has been fabulously successful at it. While there are several fights that should have happened or I wish would have taken place with FMJ, I would never accuse him of being a coward or a pussy.

On the contrary, I think that those who accuse professional boxers of being cowards and pussies are compensating for their own inadequacies.

That is why all the top guys at 147 he has fought exactly NONE of them. Anytime you want to go over his career fight by fight after his second fight with JLC let me know. It is for the most part pretty pathetic.

"Pretty pathetic" is a bridge too far for me. Risk averse is more accurate, IMO.

Floyd's plan is out of the Leonard playbook. Ray had to nut up early to get huge money.

sucracristo wrote:

Tanzio wrote:FMJ has sought to limit risk to himself and his interests while maximizing profit.

i don't worship floyd but the lengths people have to go to in order to
come up with criticism prove just how good he has been. people said
canelo was too big and floyd wouldn't take that fight, then after floyd
beat him rather easily, backing him up and winning almost all the
exchanges and hardly getting touched, people complained he should
have waited until canelo was more developed and mature, bla bla.
there is always a way to diminish someone's accomplishments,
but when you listen to the criticism of floyd, it's pretty clear we
are talking about another level of criticism. if he picks a top 10
former multi-titlist, he is reaching too far down in competition
levels. if he beats several future hall of famer, multi-division major
title holders in a row when they are all pound for pound guys and
top 5 in the division, he fought this one 2 years too late, this one
a year too early, this one 3 few pounds too heavy, this one 2 pounds
too light, should have stood and traded more with this one, etc.
sometimes i listen to it and i think, wow this guy was THAT good
that this is the length we have to go in order to criticize the guy.
we don't go this far to criticize anyone else.

Very well said. Floyd might be the biggest asshole in boxing. But he was one of the best I have ever seen

tiny_acres wrote:

sucracristo wrote:

Tanzio wrote:FMJ has sought to limit risk to himself and his interests while maximizing profit.

i don't worship floyd but the lengths people have to go to in order to
come up with criticism prove just how good he has been. people said
canelo was too big and floyd wouldn't take that fight, then after floyd
beat him rather easily, backing him up and winning almost all the
exchanges and hardly getting touched, people complained he should
have waited until canelo was more developed and mature, bla bla.
there is always a way to diminish someone's accomplishments,
but when you listen to the criticism of floyd, it's pretty clear we
are talking about another level of criticism. if he picks a top 10
former multi-titlist, he is reaching too far down in competition
levels. if he beats several future hall of famer, multi-division major
title holders in a row when they are all pound for pound guys and
top 5 in the division, he fought this one 2 years too late, this one
a year too early, this one 3 few pounds too heavy, this one 2 pounds
too light, should have stood and traded more with this one, etc.
sometimes i listen to it and i think, wow this guy was THAT good
that this is the length we have to go in order to criticize the guy.
we don't go this far to criticize anyone else.

Very well said. Floyd might be the biggest asshole in boxing. But he was one of the best I have ever seen

And his resume sucks. After the second fight with JLC he was a farce outside of a few fights. Go over his resume. It is not all that great.

Lancenix wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

sucracristo wrote:
i don't worship floyd but the lengths people have to go to in order to
come up with criticism prove just how good he has been. people said
canelo was too big and floyd wouldn't take that fight, then after floyd
beat him rather easily, backing him up and winning almost all the
exchanges and hardly getting touched, people complained he should
have waited until canelo was more developed and mature, bla bla.
there is always a way to diminish someone's accomplishments,
but when you listen to the criticism of floyd, it's pretty clear we
are talking about another level of criticism. if he picks a top 10
former multi-titlist, he is reaching too far down in competition
levels. if he beats several future hall of famer, multi-division major
title holders in a row when they are all pound for pound guys and
top 5 in the division, he fought this one 2 years too late, this one
a year too early, this one 3 few pounds too heavy, this one 2 pounds
too light, should have stood and traded more with this one, etc.
sometimes i listen to it and i think, wow this guy was THAT good
that this is the length we have to go in order to criticize the guy.
we don't go this far to criticize anyone else.

Very well said. Floyd might be the biggest asshole in boxing. But he was one of the best I have ever seen

And his resume sucks. After the second fight with JLC he was a farce outside of a few fights. Go over his resume. It is not all that great.

You honestly can't be that damn dumb. I get the hate for Floyd, but give the guy his due. Name one guy (from any country) that has beat more world champions, and retired undefeated. I won't ask you to name anyone that has been smart enough to make more money.

People have short memories. One example: Floyd called Mosley out when he was at 135 or 140, and Mosley declined. Years later after Pacquiao ducked Mosley, everyone said Floyd was afraid to fight him. Mosley was #1 or #2 welter at the time. Floyd fought, and beat him. Dozens of examples like that, but morons like you just don't get it.

Badhusker wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:
Very well said. Floyd might be the biggest asshole in boxing. But he was one of the best I have ever seen

And his resume sucks. After the second fight with JLC he was a farce outside of a few fights. Go over his resume. It is not all that great.

You honestly can't be that damn dumb. I get the hate for Floyd, but give the guy his due. Name one guy (from any country) that has beat more world champions, and retired undefeated. I won't ask you to name anyone that has been smart enough to make more money.

People have short memories. One example: Floyd called Mosley out when he was at 135 or 140, and Mosley declined. Years later after Pacquiao ducked Mosley, everyone said Floyd was afraid to fight him. Mosley was #1 or #2 welter at the time. Floyd fought, and beat him. Dozens of examples like that, but morons like you just don't get it.

You are the moron buddy who has sucked this guys cock for wins over Victor Ortiz, Gatti, JMM up two weight classes, Hatton up a weight class, Berto, Baldomir, Sharmaba Mitchell, Chop chop Corley, Henry Brussels (that is nine wins) he avoided Pacman and said pacman was on steroids by the way and that was the reason he would never fight him. He actually had to pay Pacman a seven figure settlement for saying that so I suggest you get YOUR facts straight about that. Finally he fought him in 2015 7 years after anyone cared. So tell me what is so great about THOSE wins you retard. NOTHING is special about those. You are all in a wood about his split decision over ODH in ODH's second to last fight? Or is is the win over the decrepid Mosley? His wins over Maidana? The first fight was very close. The second fight Floyd's personal referee, Kenny Bayless robbed the chance of Maidana winning by allowing Floyd to hold the entire fight and also breaking the fighters whenever Maidana tried to fight on the inside. Isn't it funny that Floyd basically had a personal referee Kenny bayless at the end of his career to have the fight reffed the way he wanted it? Bayless reffed the Berto fight, MaIdana 2, the Alvarez fight, the Mosley fight hmmmm kinda weird. Like I said when your fat, lazy ass wants to go over his wins one by one you tell me what was so special. The top 10 guys at 147 currently? Outside of Pac MAN he has fought NONE of them. NONE and that is what Floyd is all about. As far as Mosley is concerned by the way when Mosley was dominating at 135 Floyd was still at 130. He said he would fight Floyd at 135 Floyd is the one who did not want to do it. Mosley then jumped right from 135 to 147 in April of 1999. Floyd was still fighting at 130 when Mosley jumped to 147. See you are just a muskrat liar. I invite anyone to look that up. Mosley and Floyd were not in the same weight class and you know Floyd was not going to agree to mosley's terms to fight at 135 because that is how Floyd managed his entire career. Risk averse and a slow fighter bum seeker/.

Why do any of you indulge this ass clown?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Why do any of you indulge this ass clown?

Shitoffthedeck, your knowledge is weak and you are a crybaby. You don't see me answering any of your pathetic posts because you have no decent takes. Just garbage.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Why do any of you indulge this ass clown?

i only see his posts when other people reply to him, and almost always
their replies are to ask him if he is really that stupid. how many times
does that question have to be asked? i have never seen any of brut's
banned usernames be half as rabid, and that's saying a lot. this guy
makes brut look like gandhi. we are blazing new trails, here.

sucracristo wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Why do any of you indulge this ass clown?

i only see his posts when other people reply to him, and almost always
their replies are to ask him if he is really that stupid. how many times
does that question have to be asked? i have never seen any of brut's
banned usernames be half as rabid, and that's saying a lot. this guy
makes brut look like gandhi. we are blazing new trails, here.

Lol, I put him on ignore after he cowered away from his own silly challenge. Just annoying to click a thread and see so many lured in by the same troll.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

sucracristo wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Why do any of you indulge this ass clown?

i only see his posts when other people reply to him, and almost always
their replies are to ask him if he is really that stupid. how many times
does that question have to be asked? i have never seen any of brut's
banned usernames be half as rabid, and that's saying a lot. this guy
makes brut look like gandhi. we are blazing new trails, here.

Lol, I put him on ignore after he cowered away from his own silly challenge. Just annoying to click a thread and see so many lured in by the same troll.

Anyday, anytime. You do not even know how to box you clown.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Why do any of you indulge this ass clown?

Good point.

Badhusker wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Andrew Kearney wrote:There seems to be a trend among American boxers that they drop belts and vacate if they are unwilling or afraid to face their mandatories. American presence in boxing has declined substantially in the past 15 years to the point almost all of the top 10 P4P boxers today are nonAmerican (most according to boxrec are Eastern European). Fans need to call these American frauds out.

Peter Quillin repeatedly ducked Golovkin and fought bums then dropped his belt rather than fight Russian Matt Korobov.

Danny Garcia did not have the confidence to fight his mandatory Viktor Postol so dropped his belt and gave it up to Postol.

Deontay Wilder has fought bums and now that he's lost the bid to Povetkin will likely be vacating the belt. I guess he just doesn't want to fight a guy that could actually beat him? Pathetic. Wilder beat up taxi drivers and runs like a little girl vacating his title the first time a real fight VS a top3 guy comes his way. "Pathetic" isn't even the word.

"Fraud" describes these American boxers better. They fight bums brought to lose in the USA but Haymon can only protect them for so long. Then they vacate when they know a challenger is for real.

No wonder all of the best boxers and champs are non Americans now a days. The American boxers are frauds. Then again I dont blame Wilder, Povetkin will KO him and his team knows it. Hence dropping the belt.

As an American who is not too fond of the European faction of this site, I can't argue with this opinion. He's right. Forget about the who ducked this guy and who ducked that guy stuff, because that's not exactly the point here. The main point he is trying to make here is that American Boxers and Promoters are killing this sport. HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. We can all thank Floyd for creating this Haymonistic environment in which the goal isn't to win belts or challenge the best. The goal is to make the most money possible by taking the least amount of risk. That's it. Floyd showed all of these younger boxers that you can go 10 years as champion without fighting the number one contender and still make more money than anyone has ever made in the sport.

Boxers foreign to America are the ones pushing for the best fights right now. Kovalev and GGG lead the pack in how it's supposed to be done. These two want to fight the best 3 times a year. If the American's had half the heart of these other boxers, the sport would be soaring...But instead we have postponed fights, vacated titles and promoters protecting prospects. American Boxers are pussies. Fact

When did he say anything about promoters....or Floyd? Your hate clearly clouds your judgment, and I would add you to the list of anti-american freak fucktards that are ruining this site. You seem to always read between the lines saying crap like Floyd's iv was illegal, and Manny not disclosing his injury was somehow twisted as an integrity move. Holy poo, it goes on and on. If you don't like boxing, don't like what is going on, get the eff out. Boxing will be better off without fans like you and the American haters above in this stupid thread.

You love to throw your two cents in without adequately reading what is being discussed in the post at hand. Have some integrity and do the prep work before chipping in with your nonsense. Don't ask us to tell you how our post relates to the OP, that's your job. That's how a conversation works but you are constantly bringing your lazy ass in here to hit the buzzer without knowing what is being discussed. If you don't like this site then beat it. We'll be just fine without your childish interruptions

jockpunk wrote:Thats not even entirely true. Look at a guy like tim bradley. I'm not the huggest fan of him, but he has fought everyone they've put in front of him and was even willing to go to 154 for big fights. I honestly believe crawford will fight anyone. Bernard Hopkins is 50 and was willing to go in there and fight kovalev. I think we can see a common thread among all of those guys and that is that they are not with haymon.

But even as far as haymon guys are concerned, you get guys like charles martin who is willing to go fight joshua in his first fight. He could have miked that title for a bit but chose not too.

All that said, I think we need to see what wilder does before we condemn him. I really thought he was going to unify with martin so that he could put off the povetkin fight even longer as allowed by wbc rules. As it stands, I think he is going to fight him.

Obviously, there are SOME American's that are doing it right and TB is definitely one of them. But if you were handing out blame pie, Americans would deserve the lion's share. There are also some foreign boxers that aren't helping either like Brook for example so there are exceptions.

While we are discussing it, just look at the boxing that was on yesterday. ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. 5 out of the 6 bouts televised here in America were horrible mismatches that either ended in a one sided KO or landslide decision. The only fight worth watching was the Quigg/Frampton fight in England and this has been the trend.

But people like Badhusker will wave his little American flag with a smile on his face while getting porked from behind unknowingly.

Lancenix wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

sucracristo wrote:
i only see his posts when other people reply to him, and almost always
their replies are to ask him if he is really that stupid. how many times
does that question have to be asked? i have never seen any of brut's
banned usernames be half as rabid, and that's saying a lot. this guy
makes brut look like gandhi. we are blazing new trails, here.

Lol, I put him on ignore after he cowered away from his own silly challenge. Just annoying to click a thread and see so many lured in by the same troll.

Anyday, anytime. You do not even know how to box you clown.

I believe that Saad clearly stated that if you can find your way to Dallas he has a gym where the two of you could settle it.

When are you arriving in Dallas? I could possibly plan my schedule around such an epic event

caldo2025 wrote:

jockpunk wrote:Thats not even entirely true. Look at a guy like tim bradley. I'm not the huggest fan of him, but he has fought everyone they've put in front of him and was even willing to go to 154 for big fights. I honestly believe crawford will fight anyone. Bernard Hopkins is 50 and was willing to go in there and fight kovalev. I think we can see a common thread among all of those guys and that is that they are not with haymon.

But even as far as haymon guys are concerned, you get guys like charles martin who is willing to go fight joshua in his first fight. He could have miked that title for a bit but chose not too.

All that said, I think we need to see what wilder does before we condemn him. I really thought he was going to unify with martin so that he could put off the povetkin fight even longer as allowed by wbc rules. As it stands, I think he is going to fight him.

Obviously, there are SOME American's that are doing it right and TB is definitely one of them. But if you were handing out blame pie, Americans would deserve the lion's share. There are also some foreign boxers that aren't helping either like Brook for example so there are exceptions.

While we are discussing it, just look at the boxing that was on yesterday. ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. 5 out of the 6 bouts televised here in America were horrible mismatches that either ended in a one sided KO or landslide decision. The only fight worth watching was the Quigg/Frampton fight in England and this has been the trend.

But people like Badhusker will wave his little American flag with a smile on his face while getting porked from behind unknowingly.

Even Frampton said his fight was boring. Good eye dipshit.

caldo2025 wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
As an American who is not too fond of the European faction of this site, I can't argue with this opinion. He's right. Forget about the who ducked this guy and who ducked that guy stuff, because that's not exactly the point here. The main point he is trying to make here is that American Boxers and Promoters are killing this sport. HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. We can all thank Floyd for creating this Haymonistic environment in which the goal isn't to win belts or challenge the best. The goal is to make the most money possible by taking the least amount of risk. That's it. Floyd showed all of these younger boxers that you can go 10 years as champion without fighting the number one contender and still make more money than anyone has ever made in the sport.

Boxers foreign to America are the ones pushing for the best fights right now. Kovalev and GGG lead the pack in how it's supposed to be done. These two want to fight the best 3 times a year. If the American's had half the heart of these other boxers, the sport would be soaring...But instead we have postponed fights, vacated titles and promoters protecting prospects. American Boxers are pussies. Fact

When did he say anything about promoters....or Floyd? Your hate clearly clouds your judgment, and I would add you to the list of anti-american freak fucktards that are ruining this site. You seem to always read between the lines saying crap like Floyd's iv was illegal, and Manny not disclosing his injury was somehow twisted as an integrity move. Holy poo, it goes on and on. If you don't like boxing, don't like what is going on, get the eff out. Boxing will be better off without fans like you and the American haters above in this stupid thread.

You love to throw your two cents in without adequately reading what is being discussed in the post at hand. Have some integrity and do the prep work before chipping in with your nonsense. Don't ask us to tell you how our post relates to the OP, that's your job. That's how a conversation works but you are constantly bringing your lazy ass in here to hit the buzzer without knowing what is being discussed. If you don't like this site then beat it. We'll be just fine without your childish interruptions

Everything I wrote is true. If it hurts your feelings go see a counselor. You just don't like it when Americans are held to task for their actions.

Tanzio wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Lol, I put him on ignore after he cowered away from his own silly challenge. Just annoying to click a thread and see so many lured in by the same troll.

Anyday, anytime. You do not even know how to box you clown.

I believe that Saad clearly stated that if you can find your way to Dallas he has a gym where the two of you could settle it.

When are you arriving in Dallas? I could possibly plan my schedule around such an epic event

It would not be epic. It would be an easy slaughter. I don't spend all of my time in the States at all. I am thinking PA would be the best place. I would crush this dude though. Would not be epic at all. Then I would take you on next. How does that sound??

Lancenix wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Lancenix wrote:
Anyday, anytime. You do not even know how to box you clown.

I believe that Saad clearly stated that if you can find your way to Dallas he has a gym where the two of you could settle it.

When are you arriving in Dallas? I could possibly plan my schedule around such an epic event

It would not be epic. It would be an easy slaughter. I don't spend all of my time in the States at all. I am thinking PA would be the best place. I would crush this dude though. Would not be epic at all. Then I would take you on next. How does that sound??

Tanzio,SAADOFFTHEDECK,KO,1 (Farcenix firmly planted in the land of twitch)