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Tanzio wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Horse wrote:Hardly a duck is it?

There are plenty of other good opponents to fight. I highly doubt that Lundy was the best that they could get.

But why blame Crawford, isn't Arum the Promoter? The same Arum who did not allow Manny to face Crawford? So many of today's fans act as if the fighter has a say over who he gets to fight, if anything, we should all be able to clearly see Bob Arum's track record on this:

Floyd under Arum:
Not allowed to face DLH, Cotto, Mosley, I could go on and on

Manny under Arum:
Not allowed to face Floyd (until much later when Bob is pretty much done with him), Crawford, Maidana, many others

Crawford under Arum:
Not allowed to face all that Manny, yadda yadda yadda.

Let's stop finger pointing at these boxers who have Arum as their promoter because it is clear as day WHO (Arum) the problem really is by now.

I agree that Arum is the most responsible for Crawford's relatively low level of competition. I have always been critical of him. Most fighters under promotional contract fight who they are told to fight.

The promoters in general are a major part of the problem with boxing.

They are and always have been the number one problem. Boxing is run by money men protecting their investments. That is counterproductive to having a genuinely competitive sport where the best face the best consistently

I want to see Crawford vs Postol....

This fight against Lundy was a huge mismatch, Crawford looked way bigger than Lundy that was boring night of boxing on HBO.

victor-romeo wrote:I want to see Crawford vs Postol....

This fight against Lundy was a huge mismatch, Crawford looked way bigger than Lundy that was boring night of boxing on HBO.

You're such an idiot.

Good fights can't be made in modern boxing.

Do you think you know more than the promoters?

victor-romeo wrote:I want to see Crawford vs Postol....

This fight against Lundy was a huge mismatch, Crawford looked way bigger than Lundy that was boring night of boxing on HBO.

I'm guessing it was Arum keeping Postol from Crawford, and why it didn't happen instead of Lundy. Both are HBO fighters so it should be easy to make. Arum may think he can make more money keeping them separate, who knows. In the meantime he can hope to get Crawford vs Manny made, if Manny decides to continue after Bradley. He needs a new cash cow.

victor-romeo wrote:I want to see Crawford vs Postol....

This fight against Lundy was a huge mismatch, Crawford looked way bigger than Lundy that was boring night of boxing on HBO.

Odds say mismatch. Usually is just that. No surprise here.

hard to fight people when people refuse the fight.

Impossible to get made due to the promoters but I would pay to see Crawford-Broner, Bud would absolutely take him to school and embarrass him. All the top WW's are with Haymon apart from Brook so the options are limited when he moves up to just Bradley.

He is the most exciting and talented boxer America have, especially offensively. I hope he gets the fights he deserve.

I'm slightly disappointed they're talking about Crawford/Provodnikov now. Crawford/Postol is the obvious fight to make and it should be made ASAP. Provodnikov is a solid fan-friendly fighter, and a decent consolation prize if they can't get Postol, but he hasn't had a decent win since he beat Alvarado in 2013. There's no reason Crawford shouldn't be fighting the #2 guy in the division, and that's Postol.

jujigatame wrote:I'm slightly disappointed they're talking about Crawford/Provodnikov now. Crawford/Postol is the obvious fight to make and it should be made ASAP. Provodnikov is a solid fan-friendly fighter, and a decent consolation prize if they can't get Postol, but he hasn't had a decent win since he beat Alvarado in 2013. There's no reason Crawford shouldn't be fighting the #2 guy in the division, and that's Postol.

It's Arum and this is what we can expect of him, he (Bob) is always trying to keep his money "in house" so that he makes the most off of his fighters in their Slave Contracts.

You're right Postol is the fight that should be made but I understand that HBO doesn't want to put Postol on for some reason or another..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS9-MiCKzoc

It's pathetic that we aren't able to get the best fighting the best.

Lancenix wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:postol, troyanski, rances or matthysse....this or nothing

He would beat Lucas 12-0. 12 to nothing. Crawford is way better than garcia and garcia picked Lucas apart. I am telling you 12-0 if that fight happens.

U think that, I think that, hell a lot of people think that. But he hasn't fought anyone, I want to know he can handle a Matthyse, a Provo, a Postal. I'm not just blaming Terrance, it takes 2 sides.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:postol, troyanski, rances or matthysse....this or nothing

He would beat Lucas 12-0. 12 to nothing. Crawford is way better than garcia and garcia picked Lucas apart. I am telling you 12-0 if that fight happens.

U think that, I think that, hell a lot of people think that. But he hasn't fought anyone, I want to know he can handle a Matthyse, a Provo, a Postal. I'm not just blaming Terrance, it takes 2 sides.

Why doesn't Adrien Broner step up to the plate and fight Crawford?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

hurricanemitch14 wrote:

Lancenix wrote:
He would beat Lucas 12-0. 12 to nothing. Crawford is way better than garcia and garcia picked Lucas apart. I am telling you 12-0 if that fight happens.

U think that, I think that, hell a lot of people think that. But he hasn't fought anyone, I want to know he can handle a Matthyse, a Provo, a Postal. I'm not just blaming Terrance, it takes 2 sides.

I would like to see him vs any of those guys, even Broner if Bob and Al can make it. I agree that a bit too much hype has been put on Crawford at this point, but will look forward to him to prove people wrong. I know he beat Danny Garcia in the amateurs once or twice, but that was then. If him and Spence meet, right now I would pick Spence. (who is another hot up-and-comer that needs to prove he is the real deal)
To say Crawford it a top pfp guy with his record now is stretching it, unless pfp guys get points for potential.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

jujigatame wrote:I'm slightly disappointed they're talking about Crawford/Provodnikov now. Crawford/Postol is the obvious fight to make and it should be made ASAP. Provodnikov is a solid fan-friendly fighter, and a decent consolation prize if they can't get Postol, but he hasn't had a decent win since he beat Alvarado in 2013. There's no reason Crawford shouldn't be fighting the #2 guy in the division, and that's Postol.

It's Arum and this is what we can expect of him, he (Bob) is always trying to keep his money "in house" so that he makes the most off of his fighters in their Slave Contracts.

You're right Postol is the fight that should be made but I understand that HBO doesn't want to put Postol on for some reason or another..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS9-MiCKzoc

It's pathetic that we aren't able to get the best fighting the best.

You started a thread because Al Haymon put one of his lambs to the slaughter (Wade in with GGG) and told the world Haymon works with everyone and is great for boxing, so now you admit he's as bad as the rest? Arum put Postol in with Matthyse which is MILES better then Wade-GGG.

Horrible fight and i'm not sure why anyone was at all surprised. I'd like to see Crawford have one big fight a year now. He's got the following so there's no reason to have ANOTHER showcase fight at this point. I'm a huge fan of this kids overall game and attitude but i'm done watching these types of fights. I'll tape them and watch them when i have nothing better to do but i'm just bored with it all now. 6 fights on tv on Saturday and 5 of them were mismatches and the other should have been a battle between Quigg and Frampton but it turned out like Wlad and Fury for most of it.

Man, I'd love to see an evenly matched fight some day but so far in 2016, i don't see anything on the docket.

caldo2025 wrote:Horrible fight and i'm not sure why anyone was at all surprised. I'd like to see Crawford have one big fight a year now. He's got the following so there's no reason to have ANOTHER showcase fight at this point. I'm a huge fan of this kids overall game and attitude but i'm done watching these types of fights. I'll tape them and watch them when i have nothing better to do but i'm just bored with it all now. 6 fights on tv on Saturday and 5 of them were mismatches and the other should have been a battle between Quigg and Frampton but it turned out like Wlad and Fury for most of it.

Man, I'd love to see an evenly matched fight some day but so far in 2016, i don't see anything on the docket.

You do know that a half dozen fighters turned down the fight before they got to Lundy right? What is it you want Bud to do exactly?? Nobody wants to fight him at 140. Pacman was supposed to fight him but in the end he did not want to take two losses in a row so he took the fight with less risk and more money.

Lancenix wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Horrible fight and i'm not sure why anyone was at all surprised. I'd like to see Crawford have one big fight a year now. He's got the following so there's no reason to have ANOTHER showcase fight at this point. I'm a huge fan of this kids overall game and attitude but i'm done watching these types of fights. I'll tape them and watch them when i have nothing better to do but i'm just bored with it all now. 6 fights on tv on Saturday and 5 of them were mismatches and the other should have been a battle between Quigg and Frampton but it turned out like Wlad and Fury for most of it.

Man, I'd love to see an evenly matched fight some day but so far in 2016, i don't see anything on the docket.

You do know that a half dozen fighters turned down the fight before they got to Lundy right? What is it you want Bud to do exactly?? Nobody wants to fight him at 140. Pacman was supposed to fight him but in the end he did not want to take two losses in a row so he took the fight with less risk and more money.

As far as I understand it Postol is willing to fight Crawford. But Crawford people "Arum" who also controls Postol doesn't want it, Danny Garcia also ducked Postol.

Lancenix wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Horrible fight and i'm not sure why anyone was at all surprised. I'd like to see Crawford have one big fight a year now. He's got the following so there's no reason to have ANOTHER showcase fight at this point. I'm a huge fan of this kids overall game and attitude but i'm done watching these types of fights. I'll tape them and watch them when i have nothing better to do but i'm just bored with it all now. 6 fights on tv on Saturday and 5 of them were mismatches and the other should have been a battle between Quigg and Frampton but it turned out like Wlad and Fury for most of it.

Man, I'd love to see an evenly matched fight some day but so far in 2016, i don't see anything on the docket.

You do know that a half dozen fighters turned down the fight before they got to Lundy right? What is it you want Bud to do exactly?? Nobody wants to fight him at 140. Pacman was supposed to fight him but in the end he did not want to take two losses in a row so he took the fight with less risk and more money.

It's American Boxing in 2016 so it's pretty safe to say that this was the fight Arum wanted to make from day 1. Little risk. Dazzling KO. Open up a new market in NYC for Bud. Golden Boy is the only company trying to please fans these days from America. The rest of them seem to be in a contest to make the most amount of money through the worst possible fights and least amount of risk.

Beltran, Dulorme, Jean and now Lundy. If you want to argue that these are the best fights that could be made? You'd lose that argument. Now Arum is working on Provodnikov vs. Crawford? Are you serious? Crawford may kill him literally. Provodnikov has no business in that ring with Bud. He's a sacrificial lamb that Arum wants to cash out on with no regard to his well being. Horrible fight to make.

Larrylefthook wrote:You started a thread because Al Haymon put one of his lambs to the slaughter (Wade in with GGG) and told the world Haymon works with everyone and is great for boxing, so now you admit he's as bad as the rest? Arum put Postol in with Matthyse which is MILES better then Wade-GGG.

Haymon is a Manager, he cannot make Quillin or Jacobs fight GGG, that is up to them and their handlers. This has nothing to do with Haymon, if those guys want to fight GGG I'm sure he would make it happen.

Undefeated49-0 wrote: Haymon is a Manager, he cannot make Quillin or Jacobs fight GGG, that is up to them and their handlers. This has nothing to do with Haymon, if those guys want to fight GGG I'm sure he would make it happen.

Haymon makes his fighters sign non-standard managerial contracts, so what they do or don't say is moot.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Larrylefthook wrote:You started a thread because Al Haymon put one of his lambs to the slaughter (Wade in with GGG) and told the world Haymon works with everyone and is great for boxing, so now you admit he's as bad as the rest? Arum put Postol in with Matthyse which is MILES better then Wade-GGG.

Haymon is a Manager, he cannot make Quillin or Jacobs fight GGG, that is up to them and their handlers. This has nothing to do with Haymon, if those guys want to fight GGG I'm sure he would make it happen.

But he can pay fighters stupid money to take easy fights so they don't need to fight the best, just look at Wilder and Garcia.

Larrylefthook wrote:But he can pay fighters stupid money to take easy fights so they don't need to fight the best, just look at Wilder and Garcia.

Same thing can be said about GGG, he can get paid stupid money to take big fights with Ward, Beterbiev and Kovalev but he decides to stay at MW where he is being allowed to feast on Bums because none of the other guys with straps will fight him; have your Promoter move you up so you get the best fights then.

I'm not throwing shade, just making a comparison. We cannot say it is ok for Triple G but not ok for Wilder when Deontay is fighting men who outweigh him as much as 25-30lbs or more.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Larrylefthook wrote:But he can pay fighters stupid money to take easy fights so they don't need to fight the best, just look at Wilder and Garcia.

Same thing can be said about GGG, he can get paid stupid money to take big fights with Ward, Beterbiev and Kovalev but he decides to stay at MW where he is being allowed to feast on Bums because none of the other guys with straps will fight him; have your Promoter move you up so you get the best fights then.

I'm not throwing shade, just making a comparison. We cannot say it is ok for Triple G but not ok for Wilder when Deontay is fighting men who outweigh him as much as 25-30lbs or more.

Yes we can. Wilder is an HW. The (worthless) belt he holds is for HW. HW is unlimited. 3G's belts are for MW. 160 is the weight limit for MW. Ward, Kovalev and Beterbiev are LHWs, two weight classes up.

Team Wilder has made a career (so far) of avoiding the best in the HW div. 3G has avoided no one at MW. They are avoiding him.

Your comparison is utter sh!t.

If you and Wilder feel that the HW div is unfair for him, get off your secretarial spread ass and start a movement to change it.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Larrylefthook wrote:But he can pay fighters stupid money to take easy fights so they don't need to fight the best, just look at Wilder and Garcia.

Same thing can be said about GGG, he can get paid stupid money to take big fights with Ward, Beterbiev and Kovalev but he decides to stay at MW where he is being allowed to feast on Bums because none of the other guys with straps will fight him; have your Promoter move you up so you get the best fights then.

I'm not throwing shade, just making a comparison. We cannot say it is ok for Triple G but not ok for Wilder when Deontay is fighting men who outweigh him as much as 25-30lbs or more.

'you're not throwing shade, just making a comparison', well, newsflash:

Your comparison stinks.

Just caught the Crawford fight, I liked Lundy, first time I've seen him but he was game. It was a good win for Crawford. I've been watching Crawford for a few years and I think he has a good future, he's maturing at an interesting time.