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He does not have the resume to justify this statement. However, he would be right there with any HW in the world. But we really do not know.

A good fight for him next would be someone like Stiverne or Browne.

Badhusker wrote:A good fight for him next would be someone like Stiverne or Browne.

. . . or Pulev.

Sadly he'll be forced to fight a talentless oaf that would be lucky to beat Tony.

Lancenix wrote:He does not have the resume to justify this statement. However, he would be right there with any HW in the world. But we really do not know.

If you beat Jennings, without Jennings having an unexpected injury, you simply do have the resume of a top 10 heavyweight. Also, he didn't just win against Thompson, he knocked him to the ground every two rounds, that's impressive, I've never seen anyone else doing that.

Joshua to preserve his career had better stay away from Ortiz. Comparing Ortiz to Holmes, no way they are two different style fighters. Ortiz is more like a George Foreman with power in every blow, though we shall see just how tough with the next top level fights. A good fight for Ortiz would be with Kubrat or Browne.

I think Ortiz has dominated his best opponents, which is enough to know that he is likely a threat to anyone. I see Joshua being a tad more dangerous but Ortiz has a quick mind. Being a southpaw adds another wrinkle to the discussion as well, different angles different strategies. I'd love to see Wilder vs Ortiz, that would be a barn burner.

A prime Holyfield would relish seeing this fat man getting in the ring with him he would punch 2 tyre's off his hips
and Holmes would punish him until he quit.

Big Daddy Browne is his only hope

koolkc107 wrote:As hard as Ortiz punches, and we know it is very hard, I doubt it is anywhere near Gerry Cooney's power.

Larry handled that pretty easily.

gerry at his prime weight around 225, ortiz now at his prime ways around 240

gerry had a 77% and ortiz a 81 %...there is no much difference, i would more tend to ortiz simply because he was the heavier bigger man

Freedom wrote:Joshua to preserve his career had better stay away from Ortiz. Comparing Ortiz to Holmes, no way they are two different style fighters. Ortiz is more like a George Foreman with power in every blow, though we shall see just how tough with the next top level fights. A good fight for Ortiz would be with Kubrat or Browne.

ortiz has not much to do with foreman. to me foreman was a boxer with litle technic, bad footwork and world class power. ortiz has excellent footwork and technic and possesses on top huge power.

kubrat or browne who was close at losing to small ruslan are not on ortiz level. ortz needs guys like parker, wilder as soon as possible. but watch them duck him.

asdfjkl wrote:

Lancenix wrote:He does not have the resume to justify this statement. However, he would be right there with any HW in the world. But we really do not know.

If you beat Jennings, without Jennings having an unexpected injury, you simply do have the resume of a top 10 heavyweight. Also, he didn't just win against Thompson, he knocked him to the ground every two rounds, that's impressive, I've never seen anyone else doing that.

Thompson was so decayed last night. If you are impressed by that than you would be impressed by a Pinto with no wheels. Don't know what to tell you man you are eaSily impressed.

Lancenix wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Lancenix wrote:He does not have the resume to justify this statement. However, he would be right there with any HW in the world. But we really do not know.

If you beat Jennings, without Jennings having an unexpected injury, you simply do have the resume of a top 10 heavyweight. Also, he didn't just win against Thompson, he knocked him to the ground every two rounds, that's impressive, I've never seen anyone else doing that.

Thompson was so decayed last night. If you are impressed by that than you would be impressed by a Pinto with no wheels. Don't know what to tell you man you are eaSily impressed.

dont you see his skills

Thompson is shot to pieces and I still saw him get the right hand over the top a few times. Ortiz, for all his claimed skills, looked very much the same as he did vs. Jennings when he was deep with the flu. He's not really a great combination puncher; he gets his 2-3 shots off and then that's it. He's pretty flat footed. As stated before: he has the resume of a top ten fighter, but claiming he has established more than that is nonsense. And frankly, if you're chasing guys with short money on 6 weeks notice, you get the kind of fighters that you'd expect to deliver under those circumstances.

Chepppaaa wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: If you beat Jennings, without Jennings having an unexpected injury, you simply do have the resume of a top 10 heavyweight. Also, he didn't just win against Thompson, he knocked him to the ground every two rounds, that's impressive, I've never seen anyone else doing that.

Thompson was so decayed last night. If you are impressed by that than you would be impressed by a Pinto with no wheels. Don't know what to tell you man you are eaSily impressed.

dont you see his skills

I like his skills and him overall but he fights in very short spurts and sometimes you wonder where is the action? Why is he not letting his hands go on this guy?? His left hook is real nice and I do like him. Imagine if he came to the US when he was 25. Now he is 36. He needs this to happen soon. And by the way you do not take a drug like Nandrolone on accident. That shows me that he knows his age is a factor. All I am saying is this. last night showed us nothing because Thompson is so decayed. He basically took on a glorified sparring session for the money. Just a punching bag. He looked all of 44 and more.

Taki... wrote:So, Ortiz would beat prime Holmes and Holyfield but Wilder would have a good shot at beating him?

If he was better than everyone else he wouldn't have needed to dope. No credit for dopers. Ever.

Who is NOT a doper ? Some just do too much and/or not very skillfully.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:So beating Thompson bumped him over wilder? Lol, very solid fighter. Yet to see him against a puncher. I'm sticking with Joshua for now.

Did you see Wilder against a puncher or against an A level fighter ?

ikorolev wrote:

Taki... wrote:So, Ortiz would beat prime Holmes and Holyfield but Wilder would have a good shot at beating him?

If he was better than everyone else he wouldn't have needed to dope. No credit for dopers. Ever.

Who is NOT a doper ? Some just do too much and/or not very skillfully.

Ridiculous comment. The 'everyone is doing it, I just got caught' excuse is utterly pathetic. The bans for doping in pro boxing are so laughable no-one gives too much of a sh1t if they get caught.
And apparently plenty of fans don't give a sh1t either...

Chepppaaa wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:As hard as Ortiz punches, and we know it is very hard, I doubt it is anywhere near Gerry Cooney's power.

Larry handled that pretty easily.

gerry at his prime weight around 225, ortiz now at his prime ways around 240

gerry had a 77% and ortiz a 81 %...there is no much difference, i would more tend to ortiz simply because he was the heavier bigger man

I think Gerry had better opposition by far.

And the eye test favors Gerry as the harder hitting guy as well.

Ortiz has some very good skills. Not terribly fast, but has good combinations and a decent jab. If I were to guess where his shortfall may come is possibly stamina against a guy that is very busy, and has a good punch. Ortiz sweats a ton even after a round or two, and would guess he would gas late. Hope he gets in good shape, or is in better shape than he looks. Very good heavyweight. Hopefully he will get some of the top 10 or top 5 guys soon.

Badhusker wrote:Ortiz has some very good skills. Not terribly fast, but has good combinations and a decent jab. If I were to guess where his shortfall may come is possibly stamina against a guy that is very busy, and has a good punch. Ortiz sweats a ton even after a round or two, and would guess he would gas late. Hope he gets in good shape, or is in better shape than he looks. Very good heavyweight. Hopefully he will get some of the top 10 or top 5 guys soon.

This is exactly why I said David Haye should fight him, Haye claims to be some top contender with currently low ranks, he's even already talking about unifying belts. I hope Haye fights Briggs and after that Ortiz (assuming he wins against Briggs).

Lancenix wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Lancenix wrote:He does not have the resume to justify this statement. However, he would be right there with any HW in the world. But we really do not know.

If you beat Jennings, without Jennings having an unexpected injury, you simply do have the resume of a top 10 heavyweight. Also, he didn't just win against Thompson, he knocked him to the ground every two rounds, that's impressive, I've never seen anyone else doing that.

Thompson was so decayed last night. If you are impressed by that than you would be impressed by a Pinto with no wheels. Don't know what to tell you man you are eaSily impressed.

Scott looked like shit against Thompson recently.

I see a guy like Fred oquendo making him very ordinary in a messy 12 round split decision.

Taki... wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

Taki... wrote:So, Ortiz would beat prime Holmes and Holyfield but Wilder would have a good shot at beating him?

If he was better than everyone else he wouldn't have needed to dope. No credit for dopers. Ever.

Who is NOT a doper ? Some just do too much and/or not very skillfully.

Ridiculous comment. The 'everyone is doing it, I just got caught' excuse is utterly pathetic. The bans for doping in pro boxing are so laughable no-one gives too much of a sh1t if they get caught.
And apparently plenty of fans don't give a sh1t either...

I care. There is no way you take Nandrolone by accident that is for sure. Not everyone cheats that is lame and he knows he did it. But i would bet that he will not do it again. Especially he is under strict testing guidelines from what I understand.

marvelous marv wrote:I see a guy like Fred oquendo making him very ordinary in a messy 12 round split decision.

Noooo. I would be surprised at that. Fast fres at this age? That would be bad for Ortiz.