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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:"He nearly killed Holmes and Foreman".

I know what an imbecile.

Cooney had real power, other than that he was an average Heavyweight. Many Heavyweights have power, but little else. Quite a few fighters past and present would've been more than he could handle.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:"He nearly killed Holmes and Foreman".

Read Foreman's book. Cooney was the hardest he was hit 87-97.

Listen to Holmes talking about how he can still feel Cooney's hook to this day.

Laugh it off all you want, I respect the opinion of the guys who got belted square by Cooney more than I respect yours.

Rexob wrote:"Feel" and "hardest" isn't "nearly killed" now is it dumb ass.

You really are a retard, aren't you? Do you honestly think I am writing that literally? The other day I wrote fighter A got 'splattered' by fighter B. Of course fighter A didn't literally get 'splattered'. Humans don't tend to splatter, unless they fall off a very high building or get hit by a train or something. And then in another thread I said a journeyman was massacred by a prospect. Again, he wasn't actually massacred, he was KOd in 1, yes, but he was not subjected to a cruel and indiscriminate killing alongside a group of other journeymen.

It's called using language to make a point more vivid. It's lost on you because you write and think like a man with a bookless and feral IQ. Maybe you should have paid attention when you were in school.

Hilarious.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:"He nearly killed Holmes and Foreman".

Read Foreman's book. Cooney was the hardest he was hit 87-97.

Listen to Holmes talking about how he can still feel Cooney's hook to this day.

Laugh it off all you want, I respect the opinion of the guys who got belted square by Cooney more than I respect yours.

I couldn't care less what you respect. He never hurt Holmes (and it certainly wasn't a great fight), buzzed Foreman. Both were far from life support. He could punch, that's it. David Haye would decimate him.

Even with a good trainer, Cooney could have gone only so far.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

Caractacus wrote:I remember Eddie Futch was interviewed on TV about which fighters would he have liked to train
if he have had an oppertunity and he said Gerry Cooney.
Eddie Futch wouldnt have wanna train a "bum" dont you think ?

Cooney wasn't a bum today he would be threat to just about any Heavyweight around but Wlad would probably have his measure, He[Cooney]happen to run into a Legend when he Challenged for the title and he gave a decent account of himself until fatigue and the class of Holmes caught up to him

If Wladimir was terrified of Tyson Fury's 'punch', how would he respond to Gerry Cooney's crippling power? Say what you want about the man's career choices, opportunities, personality etc, but the power was real and horrifying. This isn't Tony Thompson or Pulev swinging at Wlad.

Wladimir was 39 when he faced Tyson Fury. At 39 Cooney was knitting booties.

Cooney had no defense and couldn't even handle Light Heavyweight Michael Spinks. Cooney succumbed to alcohol and drugs. He had no work ethic and no prayer of developing his talent. He would be destroyed in 30 seconds by workaholic Joshua. He would be giving up 25 pounds plus loads of speed and boxing finesse.

Forget a Steward trained Wladimir, who had an unmatched work ethic. Wlad was a solid 245 with tremendous footwork, defense, speedy ATG jab and deadly left hook. One whistling right from Wlad would park Cooney for the night. Look at those skinny arms and legs.. Even at 225 Cooney had a lot of fat and flab on him. Cooney didn’t have the physical strength to deal with today’s Heavyweights.. Listen to the video of him getting knocked out by little Mikey Spinks... Gil Clancy is yelling, “Cooney doesn’t even know how to clinch.” Gerry was just big for his era.. He had no finesse whatever.

Steward would dump Cooney as quickly as he dumped Tye Fields.. When he discovered Gerry had the same abysmal dedication, chin, and work ethic.

Cooney was a good fighter.

Trouble was inactivity due to drinking alcohol.

If he had been dedicated he would have been in good fights in the mid 80s with the likes of Witherspoon, Tubbs,
Smith etc..

He has said in a recent interview in Boxing News that drink got the better of him after losing to Holmes.

Happy to say that Gerry kept his money and more importantly his health. Massive bloke though!!

I'm feeling a strange deja vu like I have already done this.

Cooney was an overrated puncher and slightly underrated boxer. He likely would have lost to Dokes and Page.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:"He nearly killed Holmes and Foreman".

Read Foreman's book. Cooney was the hardest he was hit 87-97.

Listen to Holmes talking about how he can still feel Cooney's hook to this day.

Laugh it off all you want, I respect the opinion of the guys who got belted square by Cooney more than I respect yours.

I couldn't care less what you respect. He never hurt Holmes (and it certainly wasn't a great fight), buzzed Foreman. Both were far from life support. He could punch, that's it. David Haye would decimate him.

Cooney also had a nice jab. But I agree, Haye would have wrecked Gerry. Regarding Foreman and Holmes remarks, they ended up liking Cooney which is why I don't take boxer's critiques seriously. Witherspoon, Weaver, and Carl Williams all did much better against Holmes than Cooney did.

I like Foreman, but his comments about other boxers should always be taken with a grain of salt.

Back in the day,Cooney reminded me of Godzilla.
Maybe they should have put a picture of
"The Big "G"
on Cooney's green trunks instead.
that would have gotten him more fans with the younger crowd I'm sure.

Gerry Cooney would have destroyed David Haye in 2 rounds or less.
we are talking about a (still) old-school fighter here.
Haye would have thought that a Hurricane came into the building.

Tony1244 wrote:I'm feeling a strange deja vu like I have already done this.

Cooney was an overrated puncher and slightly underrated boxer. He likely would have lost to Dokes and Page.

My feelings exactly, which is why they never matched him with thosr guys.

I seem to remember that some pulled out of their fights with Cooney.
like James"Quick" Tillis,Mike Weaver,John Tate,Scott LaDoux and others.

He gave a respectable showing against Larry Holmes at his best. Really only Ken Norton did better. (Holmes had an off night against Weaver) Holmes started to gradually slip not long after this fight.

Of course there isn't much besides that Cooney. Lyle, Norton, and Young were all well past it.
He did have some ability but needed more experience against good competition. After the Holmes loss, he should have had some fights against someone halfway decent like Tillis or Cobb. Then maybe he could have moved on to take on someone like Page or Dokes.

Caractacus wrote:I seem to remember that some pulled out of their fights with Cooney.
like James"Quick" Tillis,Mike Weaver,John Tate,Scott LaDoux and others.

I wonder if Tate pulled out pre-Weaver or post-Weaver. Since the pre would beat Gerry, but the post wouldn't.

Caractacus wrote:I seem to remember that some pulled out of their fights with Cooney.
like James"Quick" Tillis,Mike Weaver,John Tate,Scott LaDoux and others.

I wonder if Tate pulled out pre-Weaver or post-Weaver. Since the pre would beat Gerry, but the post wouldn't.

post weaver and post Trevor Berbick I think.
still Cooney wanted to fight him in his comeback.

you know,if I had been Cooney's manager back in the 1970's and early 1980's.
I would have tried to market him more as a villian instead of "A Gentleman" with a sham-rock on his trunks.
Because he use to have the look of a" disturbed individual" whenever he got into the ring waiting for the introductions.
They should have made him out to be a Mean guy instead of 'a nice guy" boxer/person.

Caractacus wrote:you know,if I had been Cooney's manager back in the 1970's and early 1980's.
I would have tried to market him more as a villian instead of "A Gentleman" with a sham-rock on his trunks.
Because he use to have the look of a" disturbed individual" whenever he got into the ring waiting for the introductions.
They should have made him out to be a Mean guy instead of 'a nice guy" boxer/person.

That would have helped Gerry tremendously.

Caractacus wrote:Gerry Cooney would have destroyed David Haye in 2 rounds or less.
we are talking about a (still) old-school fighter here.
Haye would have thought that a Hurricane came into the building.

David Haye would destroy Cooney in the same way he did Audley Harrison, Derrick Chisora, and Monte Barrett..

Barrett beat David Tua and is the only man to floor him.. Barrett took out the gigantic Tye Fields like he was cannon fodder.. Barrett also beat a prime, undefeated # 1 contender Dominic Guinn, 24-0. Gerry Cooney has NO such win over a prime-time top Heavyweight.. Cooney had no sophistication whatever and didn't even know how to clinch.. Haye is the only man to beat the huge Arnold Gjergjaj in 31 fights.. Gjergjaj is bigger and and as wide open as Cooney was.. Gjergjaj claimed to be old school before Haye destroyed him in 4 minutes with hard fast combos -- like Michael Spinks basically did to a wide open Cooney.

BTW.., Cooney's defense was a mix of Jess Willard, Primo Carnera, and Tye Fields... Some of the more subtle aspects of slipping punches escaped him.

Caractacus wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUMBQW_n4j4

So he knocked out a couple of bums. Someone could come out with a highlight reel of Joe Mesi that would look similar. I enjoyed the reel, just sayn...