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koolkc107 wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

ikorolev wrote:I bet Jay Z paid for some of these journalists to come

Good point I did not even think of that. Ward's p4P ranking is only a US ranking not a worldwide ranking. He has not beaten anyone in over 4 years.

Only a US ranking?

#4 on Ring's list

#6 on ESPN's list

#3 on BS

#4 on SI

#3 on Boxing News

I'd say the world consensus is that, even now with limited activity, Ward is still top 5.

And that is deserved.

See you are proving my point for me. How is it earned exactly?? 3 wins in 4 years and he has not beaten anyone in that span. The super 6 was the weakest, most overrated tournament ever that included Allen Green and Glen Johnson for goodness sake. Ward is overrated because he is not justified to have any ranking right now.

Lancenix wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

Lancenix wrote: Good point I did not even think of that. Ward's p4P ranking is only a US ranking not a worldwide ranking. He has not beaten anyone in over 4 years.

Only a US ranking?

#4 on Ring's list

#6 on ESPN's list

#3 on BS

#4 on SI

#3 on Boxing News

I'd say the world consensus is that, even now with limited activity, Ward is still top 5.

And that is deserved.

See you are proving my point for me. How is it earned exactly?? 3 wins in 4 years and he has not beaten anyone in that span. The super 6 was the weakest, most overrated tournament ever that included Allen Green and Glen Johnson for goodness sake. Ward is overrated because he is not justified to have any ranking right now.

Yep.

Cause the opinion of boxing writers and other career boxing experts means absolutely nothing
next to that of some oddball forum poster who doesn't even bother to justify his takes with
facts or documentation to the contrary.

The fighter doesn't deserve it because he says so.

Well done, sir.

koolkc107 wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:
Only a US ranking?

#4 on Ring's list

#6 on ESPN's list

#3 on BS

#4 on SI

#3 on Boxing News

I'd say the world consensus is that, even now with limited activity, Ward is still top 5.

And that is deserved.

See you are proving my point for me. How is it earned exactly?? 3 wins in 4 years and he has not beaten anyone in that span. The super 6 was the weakest, most overrated tournament ever that included Allen Green and Glen Johnson for goodness sake. Ward is overrated because he is not justified to have any ranking right now.

Yep.

Cause the opinion of boxing writers and other career boxing experts means absolutely nothing
next to that of some oddball forum poster who doesn't even bother to justify his takes with
facts or documentation to the contrary.

The fighter doesn't deserve it because he says so.

Well done, sir.

And how did you prove that he does? Name his wins in the last 4 years. Go ahead. I will judge my ranking for him off that.

bnovelist wrote:As boring as his persona is, the media are turning theiri attention towards him as the #1 fighter in the sport! Barerra isn't even well known and look

at the turn out for Ward's media day. Damn.....Look at the cameras in his face! http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/ward-ba ... tos-329862

all photoshop

Lancenix wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

Yep.

Cause the opinion of boxing writers and other career boxing experts means absolutely nothing
next to that of some oddball forum poster who doesn't even bother to justify his takes with
facts or documentation to the contrary.

The fighter doesn't deserve it because he says so.

Well done, sir.

And how did you prove that he does? Name his wins in the last 4 years. Go ahead. I will judge my ranking for him off that.

I could try, but really it isn't for me to prove or disprove.

They got experts for that.

Neither you nor I are as qualified as many of those folks.

But even if we were, the sentiment has already been expressed here.

He was already #2 in the world, considered the heir apparent to that once Floyd and/or Manny left.

He has yet to lose in the ring.

It is understandable that he'd be removed from consideration for his injuries and inactivity
due to his managerial issues and refusal to fight without resolution.

But customarily, when a fighter formerly ranked and especially undefeated starts fighting again
if he displays the same type of dominance he usually gets back on the P4P list pretty quickly.

It happened with Pac even after suffering a KO loss. As a matter of fact he never left the list.

Nothing strange about it and until he loses he deserves the consideration.

A boxer from another country needs a KO to get a draw in the USA.

The deck is stacked against Sullivan Barrera. I hope he prevails, but it's unlikely, since the crooked officials in Oakland will favor Ward. And while Barrera is a decent light heavyweight, he's not a special talent and he's already in his mid-30s.

The home ref will permit Andre Ward to use illegal tactics like clamping Sullivan's arms, excessive clinching/holding, hitting off the break and deliberate head butts.

Barrera has NO chance of winning whatsoever.

Lancenix wrote:Hey I spoke the truth and I could sit here and name many dubious decisions that the US fighter has been given the nod over a non US fighter. I already acknowledged that it happens overseas. Why don't you learn how to read. Like I said earlier the US has so few elite fighters these days that you are going to defend them as if they were your children. That is what USA boxing has come to. Especially in Ward;s hometown. He is gonna need a KO. That is even against a guy who has barely fought over 4 years and is still somehow considered one of the P4P best in your eyes. Based on what that Super 6 joke of a tournament?

Get off our forum idiot. No one agrees with any of the nonsense you state. Yes Ward is one of the top boxers in P4P, no one has beaten him so you can't take him out of it until someone does or he retires or others move ahead of him.

Lancenix certainly goes nuts sometimes, but you can't reject hometown gifts which are happening quite often in U.S., U.K., Germany and other places.

In particular, Ward should have been DQ'ed for all dirty stuff he used against Kessler.

koolkc107 wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

Yep.

Cause the opinion of boxing writers and other career boxing experts means absolutely nothing
next to that of some oddball forum poster who doesn't even bother to justify his takes with
facts or documentation to the contrary.

The fighter doesn't deserve it because he says so.

Well done, sir.

And how did you prove that he does? Name his wins in the last 4 years. Go ahead. I will judge my ranking for him off that.

I could try, but really it isn't for me to prove or disprove.

They got experts for that.

Neither you nor I are as qualified as many of those folks.

But even if we were, the sentiment has already been expressed here.

He was already #2 in the world, considered the heir apparent to that once Floyd and/or Manny left.

He has yet to lose in the ring.

It is understandable that he'd be removed from consideration for his injuries and inactivity
due to his managerial issues and refusal to fight without resolution.

But customarily, when a fighter formerly ranked and especially undefeated starts fighting again
if he displays the same type of dominance he usually gets back on the P4P list pretty quickly.

It happened with Pac even after suffering a KO loss. As a matter of fact he never left the list.

Nothing strange about it and until he loses he deserves the consideration.

"They got experts for that" Are you serious? Those guys who make those rankings often do not even know the fighters or know how to judge talent or a fight. Look at Dan Rafeal. You think that fat ass knows how to box or even has ever put a pair of gloves on? The only gloves Rafeal puts on are his oven mitts.

ikorolev wrote:Lancenix certainly goes nuts sometimes, but you can't reject hometown gifts which are happening quite often in U.S., U.K., Germany and other places.

In particular, Ward should have DQ'ed for all dirty stuff he used against Kessler.

Someone agrees.

Freedom2013 wrote:A boxer from another country needs a KO to get a draw in the USA.

The deck is stacked against Sullivan Barrera. I hope he prevails, but it's unlikely, since the crooked officials in Oakland will favor Ward. And while Barrera is a decent light heavyweight, he's not a special talent and he's already in his mid-30s.

The home ref will permit Andre Ward to use illegal tactics like clamping Sullivan's arms, excessive clinching/holding, hitting off the break and deliberate head butts.

Barrera has NO chance of winning whatsoever.

2 agree. maybe you should leave the forum Undefeated?

Let's be real about this. The guy hasn't lost a fight since age 12 that's something that cannot be taught its apart of your personality makeup Andre

Ward will retire undefeated like Mayweather as well....

ikorolev wrote:In particular, Ward should have been DQ'ed for all dirty stuff he used against Kessler.

Kessler was completely outclassed and outboxed form the round one to round whatever it was finished. He was given a fvcking lesson. Couple of unintentional head clashes are irrelevant. Kessler himself acknowledged that much saying it was his "bad day in office".

Ward v Barrera is a fantastic fight and it deserves all the attention in the world. I know I will be glued to the computer screen. Even though the undercard is total sht.

Tarkus wrote:

ikorolev wrote:In particular, Ward should have been DQ'ed for all dirty stuff he used against Kessler.

Kessler was completely outclassed and outboxed form the round one to round whatever it was finished. He was given a fvcking lesson. Couple of unintentional head clashes are irrelevant. Kessler himself acknowledged that much saying it was his "bad day in office".

Ward v Barrera is a fantastic fight and it deserves all the attention in the world. I know I will be glued to the computer screen. Even though the undercard is total sht.

"Unintentional" ??? Seriously ? Were like 90 clinches initiated by Ward also unintentional ??? Why would a boxer completely outclassing and outboxing his opponent need to clinch so much ?

Lancenix wrote:2 agree. maybe you should leave the forum Undefeated?

Oh I forget you haven't been here that long so you don't realize this person's agenda/why he agrees with you. Everyone else here knows what type of individual that scum is but you don't and in a lot of ways I'd say you're exactly like him (both of you are a piece of sh*t).

koolkc107 wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

ikorolev wrote:I bet Jay Z paid for some of these journalists to come

Good point I did not even think of that. Ward's p4P ranking is only a US ranking not a worldwide ranking. He has not beaten anyone in over 4 years.

Only a US ranking?

#4 on Ring's list

#6 on ESPN's list

#3 on BS

#4 on SI

#3 on Boxing News

I'd say the world consensus is that, even now with limited activity, Ward is still top 5.

And that is deserved.

Definitely deserved. Top-5 "mega's" right now (in no particular order but....he can easily qualify for no.1) Ward, Manny, Alvarez, Golovikin* & "Krusher". [*IBO title" doesn't cut-it!]

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Lancenix wrote:2 agree. maybe you should leave the forum Undefeated?

Oh I forget you haven't been here that long so you don't realize this person's agenda/why he agrees with you. Everyone else here knows what type of individual that scum is but you don't and in a lot of ways I'd say you're exactly like him (both of you are a piece of sh*t).

"leave the forum because you are different than me." You sound like a child. Ricky told me you were a hot mess. He is exactly right.

Lancenix wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Lancenix wrote:2 agree. maybe you should leave the forum Undefeated?

Oh I forget you haven't been here that long so you don't realize this person's agenda/why he agrees with you. Everyone else here knows what type of individual that scum is but you don't and in a lot of ways I'd say you're exactly like him (both of you are a piece of sh*t).

"leave the forum because you are different than me." You sound like a child. Ricky told me you were a hot mess. He is exactly right.

LOL Ricky, honestly that's where you come off as all wrong for this forum listening to clowns like him who claimed I wasn't this and i wasn't that but then when I owned his monkey ass he has to result to claiming that I faked this and that only to realize he knew I wasn't lying or faking anything.

Your track record for listening to and hooking up with the wrong people on this forum puts you right where you belong (with those types Vicky aka FreeDUMB) and anyone else who sides with them.

Notice I'm not trolling behind you in every forum but you're constantly trolling me just to throw insults, you remind me a lot of Vicky (the Ultimate Troll) and I wouldn't be surprised if you and he were the same or just another one of his many screen names on this forum.

Like I told you in Off Topic, if you are coming on this forum simply to ruin threads and hurl mindless and stupid insults at me then just PM me and stop ruining the forum with your halfwitted banter.

You sound like a total buffoon.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:
Oh I forget you haven't been here that long so you don't realize this person's agenda/why he agrees with you. Everyone else here knows what type of individual that scum is but you don't and in a lot of ways I'd say you're exactly like him (both of you are a piece of sh*t).

"leave the forum because you are different than me." You sound like a child. Ricky told me you were a hot mess. He is exactly right.

LOL Ricky, honestly that's where you come off as all wrong for this forum listening to clowns like him who claimed I wasn't this and i wasn't that but then when I owned his monkey ass he has to result to claiming that I faked this and that only to realize he knew I wasn't lying or faking anything.

Your track record for listening to and hooking up with the wrong people on this forum puts you right where you belong (with those types Vicky aka FreeDUMB) and anyone else who sides with them.

Notice I'm not trolling behind you in every forum but you're constantly trolling me just to throw insults, you remind me a lot of Vicky (the Ultimate Troll) and I wouldn't be surprised if you and he were the same or just another one of his many screen names on this forum.

Like I told you in Off Topic, if you are coming on this forum simply to ruin threads and hurl mindless and stupid insults at me then just PM me and stop ruining the forum with your halfwitted banter.

You sound like a total buffoon.

You are all bent out of shape because I corrected your assertion that Foreman created the "Foreman Grill". I was trying to drop you some knowledge and trying to help you out instead you blew your top saying I don't belong here because we represent different opinions. That is childish as hell from you. I am not trolling you at all but I wanted to get the facts straight is all.

Lancenix wrote:You are all bent out of shape because I corrected your assertion that Foreman created the "Foreman Grill". I was trying to drop you some knowledge and trying to help you out instead you blew your top saying I don't belong here because we represent different opinions. That is childish as hell from you. I am not trolling you at all but I wanted to get the facts straight is all.

I'm bent out of shape because you are Trolling me, I've told you time and time again that everyone knew Foreman's story, he told it on every talk show here in America.

You didn't tell me anything I hadn't already known, it's just too bad your too much of a stupid f*cking idiot to realize this.

many iphones and amateur cameras and
a well chosen angle for the pic. if i am
ward's promotor i have five of my guys
out there with a phone in their hand.

Honestly, "WHAT" is his name now boxing Andre Ward?
Let's hope Ward does win. (Guy looks very very very tough!)

Boxing's top-5 mega list now (no particular order) Ward, Gennady Glovikin*, Saul Alvarez, Manny Pac, AND "Krusher" Kovelev. *IBO is "pure P.U."

Does the ring seem small ? If yes, does Ward want to mainly fight inside ?

Look at this the media has really taken to Ward as the #1 fighter in all of boxing right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFgf-a681sM this

is like Mayweather type atmosphere take a look