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jamesmcdonnell wrote:Andries would be a major name were he around now, he would give most of the current crop of light heavyweights around a right pasting.

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Let's not exagerate mate.....Andries was strong but crude. As a 'world' champion mediocre really.

E wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Andries would be a major name were he around now, he would give most of the current crop of light heavyweights around a right pasting.

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Let's not exagerate mate.....Andries was strong but crude. As a 'world' champion mediocre really.

As a three-time world champion, you should say.

bennie wrote:

E wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Andries would be a major name were he around now, he would give most of the current crop of light heavyweights around a right pasting.

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Let's not exagerate mate.....Andries was strong but crude. As a 'world' champion mediocre really.

As a three-time world champion, you should say.

True, although that means he lost the title three times also....Manuel Medina is a 5 time world champ, and whilst that shows grit, it is surely more impressive to hold the title once but defend it plenty of times (like EG monzon.)

Dennis has a record of 5 wins and 3 defeats in 'world' fights...by no means anything more impressive than average.

Still, I agree that Dennis was a warrior and his achievemnets are not to be brushed aside....

E wrote:

bennie wrote:

E wrote: Let's not exagerate mate.....Andries was strong but crude. As a 'world' champion mediocre really.

As a three-time world champion, you should say.

True, although that means he lost the title three times also....Manuel Medina is a 5 time world champ, and whilst that shows grit, it is surely more impressive to hold the title once but defend it plenty of times (like EG monzon.)

Dennis has a record of 5 wins and 3 defeats in 'world' fights...by no means anything more impressive than average.

Still, I agree that Dennis was a warrior and his achievemnets are not to be brushed aside....

Five genuine world title wins is far more than average. Only Dave McAuley, Lloyd Honeyghan, Jimmy Wilde and Nigel Benn have won more in the entire history of British boxing.

PS: I don't regard the WBO belt as genuine.

bennie wrote:

E wrote:

bennie wrote: As a three-time world champion, you should say.

True, although that means he lost the title three times also....Manuel Medina is a 5 time world champ, and whilst that shows grit, it is surely more impressive to hold the title once but defend it plenty of times (like EG monzon.)

Dennis has a record of 5 wins and 3 defeats in 'world' fights...by no means anything more impressive than average.

Still, I agree that Dennis was a warrior and his achievemnets are not to be brushed aside....

Five genuine world title wins is far more than average. Only Dave McAuley, Lloyd Honeyghan, Jimmy Wilde and Nigel Benn have won more in the entire history of British boxing.

PS: I don't regard the WBO belt as genuine.

Good point....some would argue that Bob Fitzsimmonds won 5 world fights, depending on the status of his 'defence' against Jim Hall...

Dave MacCauley was a damn exciting champion and surely one of the most exciting flyweights ever...

I don't know if you can totally disregard the WBO title, though it is definitely a touch lower than the top three...

Bob Fitzsimmons was officially an American citizen.

I believe Dennis Andries was Chris Eubanks top sparring partner for the last few years of Eubanks career.

Dennis was in Eubank's corner for his fight with Joe Calzaghe certainly.

Jack Kid Berg made 10 defences of the World Light-Welterweight championship in the early 30s... against people like Mushy Callaghan, Buster Brown, Billy Petrolle, ...theres a strong case for calling him our most successful ever fighter in America.

silkov wrote:Jack Kid Berg made 10 defences of the World Light-Welterweight championship in the early 30s... against people like Mushy Callaghan, Buster Brown, Billy Petrolle, ...theres a strong case for calling him our most successful ever fighter in America.

And I think I am right in saying that his USA Title fights were not recognised in the UK because the BBBC did not then recognise the Light-Welterweight division.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=010121

KOJOE90 wrote:

silkov wrote:Jack Kid Berg made 10 defences of the World Light-Welterweight championship in the early 30s... against people like Mushy Callaghan, Buster Brown, Billy Petrolle, ...theres a strong case for calling him our most successful ever fighter in America.

And I think I am right in saying that his USA Title fights were not recognised in the UK because the BBBC did not then recognise the Light-Welterweight division.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=010121

Thats probably true but I wouldn't take any notice of that, the competition Berg faced was world class believe me and the Americans certainly took him seriously.

silkov wrote:

KOJOE90 wrote:

silkov wrote:Jack Kid Berg made 10 defences of the World Light-Welterweight championship in the early 30s... against people like Mushy Callaghan, Buster Brown, Billy Petrolle, ...theres a strong case for calling him our most successful ever fighter in America.

And I think I am right in saying that his USA Title fights were not recognised in the UK because the BBBC did not then recognise the Light-Welterweight division.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=010121

Thats probably true but I wouldn't take any notice of that, the competition Berg faced was world class believe me and the Americans certainly took him seriously.

Oh I don't mate, trust me, Berg was one of our very best IMO.

I also have a Mike Tyson interview on tape where he states that Berg is one of the UK's best ever fighters. His oppostition was indeed of the highest quality.

Ted Kid Lewis was in 9 or ten world title fights himself... many of them were 20 rounders!.... I think Lewis, Wilde and Berg are Britains top 3 fighters of the last century imo.