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Mr.DW wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Mr.DW wrote:This is all good stuff. A stronger muscle will hit harder than than a weaker muscle provided no speed is lost like you said. That is the catch. We have to be careful about what exercises we do and in what rep scheme, time under tension, etc. Those are the variables. But there are other things like genetics that dictate punching power. It's what allows a fighter like GGG to hit harder than some Heavyweights who are undoubtedly stronger.

The only flaw I see in the study you provided is the sample size. Only 15 people isn't big and doesn't account for genetic factors like previously stated.

Power exercises do not result in a loss of speed like performing a slow, concentrated bodybuilding workout will (over time). Adding power training will undoubtedly increase punching power, though there are genetic factors that can limit the high end. That's not really part of this equation though, as the question raised was what resistance training methods will increase punching power; the answer is powerful, explosive movements.

Yes, but you have to be careful on what exercises specifically because not all will increase power!

Yes, but I never said that. The list of exercises I provided originally (there's more, those are just my favorite) will increase punching power if performed correctly.

punchoutsb wrote:

Mr.DW wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
Power exercises do not result in a loss of speed like performing a slow, concentrated bodybuilding workout will (over time). Adding power training will undoubtedly increase punching power, though there are genetic factors that can limit the high end. That's not really part of this equation though, as the question raised was what resistance training methods will increase punching power; the answer is powerful, explosive movements.

Yes, but you have to be careful on what exercises specifically because not all will increase power!

Yes, but I never said that. The list of exercises I provided originally (there's more, those are just my favorite) will increase punching power if performed correctly.

Lol I was just adding that. Sorry for the misunderstanding there!

Mr.DW wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Mr.DW wrote:
Yes, but you have to be careful on what exercises specifically because not all will increase power!

Yes, but I never said that. The list of exercises I provided originally (there's more, those are just my favorite) will increase punching power if performed correctly.

Lol I was just adding that. Sorry for the misunderstanding there!

No problem

Keep up your training! Your heavy bag work looked crisp.

train your serratus anterior for improving punching power and the exercises punchout mentioned will definitely help

and keep on that heavybag and keep focusing on your technique. these exercises combined with good technique will give you a better punch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGF9V2anb9Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qXSIxkhY8g

Tantum wrote:I would imagine that squats, dead lifts, and anything that works hip/core rotation would increase punching power...

Has anyone noticed that any particular lifts/exercises produce increased punching power results without a noticeable loss of speed or mobility?

Yes... Anthony Joshua is the best example of weight training increasing speed, power, and agility.

Use dumbbells for bench presses so you don't build out your chest like you do with barbell presses. Dumbbell isolate the triceps and allow you to turn your wrists like a punch. Grab 2 dumbbells off the rack and use a horizontal bench. As you roll onto your back, start with the bells at 12 o'clock and rotate your wrists a quarter turn as you press straight up. Go as fast as smoothly as you can with full range of motion. When you lose form and speed stop immediately. Don't grunt out additional reps like a bodybuilder. Do 5 sets with 2 minute rests. Do 5 sets. Start with bells where you can barely do 5 reps and work it up 9 over time. Then go to heavier weights so your back to 5. Experiment with 2 and 3 day rests. That's for straight punches.

For hooks and uppercuts do alternate dumbbell curls instead of a barbell. Same progression as above. Stop your set when you lose speed or form.
Don't grunt out additional reps. Keep a journal on your progress. Use weights for sit-ups, back extensions, and obliques for a powerhouse torso.

The secret is a great diet and no junk food, chips, saltines, candy, cookies, burgers, fries, etc. Eat very slow cooked (such as a crock pot) range fed meats. Avoid frying, grilling, broiling, baking or anything that browns or sears the meat to avoid creating acrylamide which impede your progress.

I don't think any of those would hurt you but one exercise I would recommend doing is sit-ups(preferably on a sit-up bench although it isn't required)where with each rep you twist your torso to one side or the other. On a sit-up bench you can make this more challenging by leaning your head back or raising your hands above your head.

Deadlifts in no1 in my opinion .

Some useful stuff here (punchoutsb), quite a lot of BS coming from lack of understanding of the basic s&c principles. Like that strength is always the basis for power (speed-strength) and thus you always train for strength first, in order to build that basis.
Next thing is that pushing strength/power is not enough, it's not that simple. You can only accelerate what you can decelerate so pulling is equally important. If you look closer at the biomechanics of the punch, it's the contra lateral arm that to a very high degree contributes to the force behind the punch. Hint: when one arm strikes (pec, triceps, anterior delt, oblique etc), the other one pulls (lat, mid trap, rhomboid, posterior delt, oblique etc). Both are important.
Plus the principle of structural balance dictates the need to take care of all the aspects of physical preparation of an athlete. Otherwise injuries happen.
To anyone interested I can only recommend my fellow PICP s&c coach Moritz Klatten and his articles and book. He specialises in training boxers and his client list includes Y. Gamboa, J.C. Gomez, J. Culcay and some more. Modern, scientific, quality stuff.

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/author/moritz-klatten/

Tantum wrote:I would imagine that squats, dead lifts, and anything that works hip/core rotation would increase punching power... Has anyone noticed that any particular lifts/exercises produce increased punching power results without a noticeable loss of speed or mobility?

Flexibility and stretching helps a great deal.. Agility and speed drills help a great deal... Core work like 2000 sit-ups help a great deal... You have to build up to that very slowly over 2 or 3 years or more and it doesn't take all day. It takes 35 minutes for 2000 sit-ups... black extensions work... and oblique exercises work... plyometric jumps are important for the legs.. DON'T do dead lifts.. DON'T do barbell squats... DON'T do barbell bench presses because they widen out your chest and damage your shoulders... You can do dumbbell bench presses for straight punches, but keep them narrow and turn the wrists a quarter turn like a punch. Isolate the triceps and don't work the chest... Go heavy for 3 to 5 reps and 5 sets.. DON'T go to failure EVER!! Wall pullies work for hooking strength, you rig an angle that gives you the most resistance for the punching motion... pullie lines rigged to get straight up resistance work for uppercuts... Gymnastic rings workouts with a real good gymnastics teacher help give you arm strength.. Pommel horse workout are great for balance and strength but you need an gymnastics teacher...

If you can't afford all that, or don't have access to those kind of gyms, google barstars on the internet and start doing those for tremendous strength and flexibility... If you don't have access to bars and rings anywhere close -- do as many pushups and pull-ups as you possibly can everyday until you lose form and speed on the exercise.. Don't do sets.. do them the next day until you get up to about 50 pushups and 12 pull-ups or if you're not doing more for a couple months you're plateauing - so do pull-ups one day and pushups the next for 3 X each a week until you plateau again at maybe about 200 and 20. That will take 4 years at least.. The important thing Is when you plateau at a certain number you need more rest, or you need a light week and a heavy week, or you need to change up your routines to fool the body. If a boxing career lasts 20 years you want to be a little stronger, more agile, and more flexible every January 1st.

Strength is part of the ability to generate power. By improving your strength then you can improve your power.
The best lifts to increase punching power would be explosive full body Olympic lifts. Followed by full body complex lifts. When you've sufficent strength then you would also gain benefit from plyometric work etc
However the impact on your punching power isn't likely to be huge and technique and natural
Ability are by far the biggest predictors.

Mr.DW wrote:Unfortunately lifting weights doesn't increase punching power. If that were the case Power lifters and Bodybuilders would be the ultimate fighters

Those guys are lifting to be competitive in their sports... A boxer uses his body weight doing pushups and pull-ups... Weights are more adjustable. As you get stronger you can increase resistance with more weight instead of doing more reps.. You grab bigger dumbbells to do the same number of curls and presses.. you hold a heavier plate against your chest to do sit-ups.. The main thing in Boxing is remember not to strain, rep out, or go to failure.. Keep an accurate record of each workout in a journal so you can make adjustments.. As soon as you lose smoothness, speed, and form on your reps you need to stop...or your muscles will not only get stronger, they'll get bigger. Use dumbbells and plates and never use barbells. Never do squats, dead lifts, or bench presses with barbells.. Weight training definitely increases punching power a lot.

Just my 2 cents, but punching is predominantly a technique based skill.

I know a golf professional who has played with his father (who is a pretty good amatuer) all his days. By the time he was 16, he was the same height as his father (both 6'2) but his father is a much, much bigger built guy, probably weighs double what his skinny lanky son does, and is far stronger. Yet his son, the golf-pro, outdrives him by a significant distance off the tee, and has done since a late teenager. That's purely down to technique, by having a more crisp and accurate swing that accelerates through the ball and the perfect point of contact.

Swinging your fist has much the same principles of physics as swinging a golf club or baseball. And ofcourse everyone's swing and technique differs depending on your body shape and type. Hearns generated power in an entirely different way from Mike Tyson. There's only so much muscle mass you can add to your body before it becomes a hinderance, slows you down or makes your swing less dynamic, i'd be inclined to focus much more technique, film yourself on the speedbag or heavy bag, try whipping your fist into the bag for the last few inches, turning your wrist into the point of impact, try keeping your fist loose/relaxed during the swing to generate more kinetic energy and close/tense your fist before contact, for your left hook make sure you're turning your wrist downwards into the jaw/speedbag, etc.

Ricky_ wrote:Just my 2 cents, but punching is predominantly a technique based skill.

I know a golf professional who has played with his father (who is a pretty good amatuer) all his days. By the time he was 16, he was the same height as his father (both 6'2) but his father is a much, much bigger built guy, probably weighs double what his skinny lanky son does, and is far stronger. Yet his son, the golf-pro, outdrives him by a significant distance off the tee, and has done since a late teenager. That's purely down to technique, by having a more crisp and accurate swing that accelerates through the ball and the perfect point of contact.

Swinging your fist has much the same principles of physics as swinging a golf club or baseball. And ofcourse everyone's swing and technique differs depending on your body shape and type. Hearns generated power in an entirely different way from Mike Tyson. There's only so much muscle mass you can add to your body before it becomes a hinderance, slows you down or makes your swing less dynamic, i'd be inclined to focus much more technique, film yourself on the speedbag or heavy bag, try whipping your fist into the bag for the last few inches, turning your wrist into the point of impact, try keeping your fist loose/relaxed during the swing to generate more kinetic energy and close/tense your fist before contact, for your left hook make sure you're turning your wrist downwards into the jaw/speedbag, etc.

Form obviously increases power...nobody is disputing that.. Strength also increases punching power.. You don't need to increase size and weight to increase your strength substantially.. You want denser, harder muscles.. Gymnastics, body weight exercises and plyometric jumps increase strength and balance a great deal.. Weights done correctly for Boxing will too.

Kalan wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Just my 2 cents, but punching is predominantly a technique based skill.

I know a golf professional who has played with his father (who is a pretty good amatuer) all his days. By the time he was 16, he was the same height as his father (both 6'2) but his father is a much, much bigger built guy, probably weighs double what his skinny lanky son does, and is far stronger. Yet his son, the golf-pro, outdrives him by a significant distance off the tee, and has done since a late teenager. That's purely down to technique, by having a more crisp and accurate swing that accelerates through the ball and the perfect point of contact.

Swinging your fist has much the same principles of physics as swinging a golf club or baseball. And ofcourse everyone's swing and technique differs depending on your body shape and type. Hearns generated power in an entirely different way from Mike Tyson. There's only so much muscle mass you can add to your body before it becomes a hinderance, slows you down or makes your swing less dynamic, i'd be inclined to focus much more technique, film yourself on the speedbag or heavy bag, try whipping your fist into the bag for the last few inches, turning your wrist into the point of impact, try keeping your fist loose/relaxed during the swing to generate more kinetic energy and close/tense your fist before contact, for your left hook make sure you're turning your wrist downwards into the jaw/speedbag, etc.

Form obviously increases power...nobody is disputing that.. Strength also increases punching power.. You don't need to increase size and weight to increase your strength substantially.. You want denser, harder muscles.. Gymnastics, body weight exercises and plyometric jumps increase strength and balance a great deal.. Weights done correctly for Boxing will too.

Strength doesn't increase punching power but it creates the potential for better punching power. 2 people who are 132 lbs and punch with the same form but 1 guy is stronger then that guy will hit harder. Technique, accuracy, and leverage are 100x better than focusing on getting stronger. Tommy Hearns isn't the physically strongest guy but he could hit the hardest out of any Welterweight to ever live due to his leverage, technique and accuracy. So for any boxer wanting to hit harder don't focus on strength, focus on leverage, accuracy and technique. Leverage being the most important.

Deadlifts and squats

Mr.DW wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Just my 2 cents, but punching is predominantly a technique based skill.

I know a golf professional who has played with his father (who is a pretty good amatuer) all his days. By the time he was 16, he was the same height as his father (both 6'2) but his father is a much, much bigger built guy, probably weighs double what his skinny lanky son does, and is far stronger. Yet his son, the golf-pro, outdrives him by a significant distance off the tee, and has done since a late teenager. That's purely down to technique, by having a more crisp and accurate swing that accelerates through the ball and the perfect point of contact.

Swinging your fist has much the same principles of physics as swinging a golf club or baseball. And ofcourse everyone's swing and technique differs depending on your body shape and type. Hearns generated power in an entirely different way from Mike Tyson. There's only so much muscle mass you can add to your body before it becomes a hinderance, slows you down or makes your swing less dynamic, i'd be inclined to focus much more technique, film yourself on the speedbag or heavy bag, try whipping your fist into the bag for the last few inches, turning your wrist into the point of impact, try keeping your fist loose/relaxed during the swing to generate more kinetic energy and close/tense your fist before contact, for your left hook make sure you're turning your wrist downwards into the jaw/speedbag, etc.

Form obviously increases power...nobody is disputing that.. Strength also increases punching power.. You don't need to increase size and weight to increase your strength substantially.. You want denser, harder muscles.. Gymnastics, body weight exercises and plyometric jumps increase strength and balance a great deal.. Weights done correctly for Boxing will too.

Strength doesn't increase punching power but it creates the potential for better punching power. 2 people who are 132 lbs and punch with the same form but 1 guy is stronger then that guy will hit harder. Technique, accuracy, and leverage are 100x better than focusing on getting stronger. Tommy Hearns isn't the physically strongest guy but he could hit the hardest out of any Welterweight to ever live due to his leverage, technique and accuracy. So for any boxer wanting to hit harder don't focus on strength, focus on leverage, accuracy and technique. Leverage being the most important.

Saying Hearns is the hardest hitting welter ever is speculative.. Egidijus Kavaliauskas may hit harder than Hearns.. We don't know because their punching power hasn't been measured.. Hearns hit Ray Leonard with dozens of right hands in their WW fight and couldn't even floor him ... and got knocked out himself. Leonard was floored by other welterweights but not Hearns.. If your 132-pounder example is valid strength indeed increases punching power.. If Floyd Patterson is punching it out with Sonny Liston he'll suffer a KO loss every time at the hands of the bigger, stronger man.. You don't have to be taller -- Mike Tyson was going to punch Michael Spinks out cold, every time, regardless of his form or how tall Spinks was.. Louis was being out-boxed by Billy Conn.. but his greater strength and power won him both fights. Saying 1 attribute increases power a 100 X better than another attribute is something you pulled out of the blue.

Technique, accuracy, and leverage are all important -- so is timing, because if you catch your foe with a jab, straight right, or left hook while he's starting the same punch -- the power is magnified.. But the biggest ingredient is strength.. Strength equals power.. Weakness equals feather dusting.

Kalan wrote:

Tantum wrote:I would imagine that squats, dead lifts, and anything that works hip/core rotation would increase punching power...

Has anyone noticed that any particular lifts/exercises produce increased punching power results without a noticeable loss of speed or mobility?

Yes... Anthony Joshua is the best example of weight training increasing speed, power, and agility.

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You talk such nonsense lately. Joshua is the best example for weight training decreasing speed and agility. He was becoming Frank Bruno....until he recently reigned in the excess weights and became a lot more slimline

Judah Ben Fur wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Tantum wrote:I would imagine that squats, dead lifts, and anything that works hip/core rotation would increase punching power...

Has anyone noticed that any particular lifts/exercises produce increased punching power results without a noticeable loss of speed or mobility?

Yes... Anthony Joshua is the best example of weight training increasing speed, power, and agility.

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You talk such nonsense lately. Joshua is the best example for weight training decreasing speed and agility. He was becoming Frank Bruno....until he recently reigned in the excess weights and became a lot more slimline

He still does weights and he always will... He's a better boxer now and will be better 2 years from now. And better than that in 6 years... He was never Frank Bruno

Kalan wrote:

Mr.DW wrote:

Kalan wrote:
Form obviously increases power...nobody is disputing that.. Strength also increases punching power.. You don't need to increase size and weight to increase your strength substantially.. You want denser, harder muscles.. Gymnastics, body weight exercises and plyometric jumps increase strength and balance a great deal.. Weights done correctly for Boxing will too.

Strength doesn't increase punching power but it creates the potential for better punching power. 2 people who are 132 lbs and punch with the same form but 1 guy is stronger then that guy will hit harder. Technique, accuracy, and leverage are 100x better than focusing on getting stronger. Tommy Hearns isn't the physically strongest guy but he could hit the hardest out of any Welterweight to ever live due to his leverage, technique and accuracy. So for any boxer wanting to hit harder don't focus on strength, focus on leverage, accuracy and technique. Leverage being the most important.

Saying Hearns is the hardest hitting welter ever is speculative.. Egidijus Kavaliauskas may hit harder than Hearns.. We don't know because their punching power hasn't been measured.. Hearns hit Ray Leonard with dozens of right hands in their WW fight and couldn't even floor him ... and got knocked out himself. Leonard was floored by other welterweights but not Hearns.. If your 132-pounder example is valid strength indeed increases punching power.. If Floyd Patterson is punching it out with Sonny Liston he'll suffer a KO loss every time at the hands of the bigger, stronger man.. You don't have to be taller -- Mike Tyson was going to punch Michael Spinks out cold, every time, regardless of his form or how tall Spinks was.. Louis was being out-boxed by Billy Conn.. but his greater strength and power won him both fights. Saying 1 attribute increases power a 100 X better than another attribute is something you pulled out of the blue.

Technique, accuracy, and leverage are all important -- so is timing, because if you catch your foe with a jab, straight right, or left hook while he's starting the same punch -- the power is magnified.. But the biggest ingredient is strength.. Strength equals power.. Weakness equals feather dusting.

Ok it is safe to say that Hearns was one of the hardest hitting. If you are disagreeing with that then you dksab. That guy you mentioned hasn't even fought at the top level of the sport.

As far as my example goes of course a stronger muscle is better then a weaker muscle. But the catch is that not every fighter at each weight uses the same technique. The two 132 lbers could be complete novice arm punchers. Joe Louis didn't knock out Conn because he was stronger, he knocked him out because Conn got stupid and went for the knockout. They knew from the beginning that if he did that he would lose.

Strength can increase power but it is useless if you can rarely land a punch. It doesn't take some dynamite out of this world power to knock a guy out cold, any half way decent puncher could knock someone out if they land cleanly. How do you think Mayweather keeps guys honest. He doesn't have one punch power but he is so accurate with 1 punch that it stuns guys.

Mr.DW wrote: Ok it is safe to say that Hearns was one of the hardest hitting. If you are disagreeing with that then you dksab. That guy you mentioned hasn't even fought at the top level of the sport.

As far as my example goes of course a stronger muscle is better then a weaker muscle. But the catch is that not every fighter at each weight uses the same technique. The two 132 lbers could be complete novice arm punchers. Joe Louis didn't knock out Conn because he was stronger, he knocked him out because Conn got stupid and went for the knockout. They knew from the beginning that if he did that he would lose.

Strength can increase power but it is useless if you can rarely land a punch. It doesn't take some dynamite out of this world power to knock a guy out cold, any half way decent puncher could knock someone out if they land cleanly. How do you think Mayweather keeps guys honest. He doesn't have one punch power but he is so accurate with 1 punch that it stuns guys.

Conn could get smart or stupid -- it doesn't matter... Louis still knocked him out because he was bigger and stronger... He wasn't a better boxer.

Mayweather hasn't knocked anyone out in years... He kept them honest by having a friendly referee who keeps them honest.. Mostly it's novice boxers who punch with too much body -- throwing from the floor and almost twisting themselves into the floor when they miss.. A short right hand can be all arm and knock you cold if you're strong enough.. Golovkin knocked Macklin out with a liver shot that was all arm -- he was just very strong and balanced on his feet when he ripped it in there.

House lifts 1 rep is all you need

Kalan wrote:

Mr.DW wrote: Ok it is safe to say that Hearns was one of the hardest hitting. If you are disagreeing with that then you dksab. That guy you mentioned hasn't even fought at the top level of the sport.

As far as my example goes of course a stronger muscle is better then a weaker muscle. But the catch is that not every fighter at each weight uses the same technique. The two 132 lbers could be complete novice arm punchers. Joe Louis didn't knock out Conn because he was stronger, he knocked him out because Conn got stupid and went for the knockout. They knew from the beginning that if he did that he would lose.

Strength can increase power but it is useless if you can rarely land a punch. It doesn't take some dynamite out of this world power to knock a guy out cold, any half way decent puncher could knock someone out if they land cleanly. How do you think Mayweather keeps guys honest. He doesn't have one punch power but he is so accurate with 1 punch that it stuns guys.

Conn could get smart or stupid -- it doesn't matter... Louis still knocked him out because he was bigger and stronger... He wasn't a better boxer.

Mayweather hasn't knocked anyone out in years... He kept them honest by having a friendly referee who keeps them honest.. Mostly it's novice boxers who punch with too much body -- throwing from the floor and almost twisting themselves into the floor when they miss.. A short right hand can be all arm and knock you cold if you're strong enough.. Golovkin knocked Macklin out with a liver shot that was all arm -- he was just very strong and balanced on his feet when he ripped it in there.

It takes a lot more than a referee to keep a guy honest. Guys that have fought Mayweather have said they were surprised by his power. Whether you like it or not Mayweather is highly accurate and that in turn keeps guys careful. Mayweather can catch you going in and out. When he catches you it is clean and flush. That is why he only needs to throw a few punches to win a round. They all land and everyone see's it.

Guys that rule the top of the divisions aren't the ones who rely on raw strength rather they rely on accuracy and fighting smart. Shawn Porter is probably the strongest guy at welterweight yet he doesn't have the power that Thurman and Spence have. Hell he couldn't even knock down a former sfw who wasn't even throwing the entire fight.

Mr.DW wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Mr.DW wrote: Ok it is safe to say that Hearns was one of the hardest hitting. If you are disagreeing with that then you dksab. That guy you mentioned hasn't even fought at the top level of the sport.

As far as my example goes of course a stronger muscle is better then a weaker muscle. But the catch is that not every fighter at each weight uses the same technique. The two 132 lbers could be complete novice arm punchers. Joe Louis didn't knock out Conn because he was stronger, he knocked him out because Conn got stupid and went for the knockout. They knew from the beginning that if he did that he would lose.

Strength can increase power but it is useless if you can rarely land a punch. It doesn't take some dynamite out of this world power to knock a guy out cold, any half way decent puncher could knock someone out if they land cleanly. How do you think Mayweather keeps guys honest. He doesn't have one punch power but he is so accurate with 1 punch that it stuns guys.

Conn could get smart or stupid -- it doesn't matter... Louis still knocked him out because he was bigger and stronger... He wasn't a better boxer.

Mayweather hasn't knocked anyone out in years... He kept them honest by having a friendly referee who keeps them honest.. Mostly it's novice boxers who punch with too much body -- throwing from the floor and almost twisting themselves into the floor when they miss.. A short right hand can be all arm and knock you cold if you're strong enough.. Golovkin knocked Macklin out with a liver shot that was all arm -- he was just very strong and balanced on his feet when he ripped it in there.

It takes a lot more than a referee to keep a guy honest. Guys that have fought Mayweather have said they were surprised by his power. Whether you like it or not Mayweather is highly accurate and that in turn keeps guys careful. Mayweather can catch you going in and out. When he catches you it is clean and flush. That is why he only needs to throw a few punches to win a round. They all land and everyone see's it.

Guys that rule the top of the divisions aren't the ones who rely on raw strength rather they rely on accuracy and fighting smart. Shawn Porter is probably the strongest guy at welterweight yet he doesn't have the power that Thurman and Spence have. Hell he couldn't even knock down a former sfw who wasn't even throwing the entire fight.

Mayweather was a great boxer no doubt... He wasn't a puncher... I don't think he would have done particularly well with Spence, Brook, Thurman or Porter who can all box and punch... I can't think of anyone Floyd ever fought who was an outstanding boxer and puncher... I agree Thurman and Spence definitely have the power edge on Shawn Porter.. But Porter smashed Malignaggi out like Garcia couldn't so he's a puncher too -- and Khan, Pacquiao, Maidana, and Bradley have been ducking Brook, Thurman, and Porter for years... and they want no part of Spence either.

You can measure punching power electronically -- and after 2 years of sport specific weight training, athletes punch harder... throw harder and faster... jump higher... sprint faster... bat for better average and power... and drive farther off the tee... Most all high schools and all major colleges and pro sports camps incorporate weight training into their athletic programs... because it's effective.

If someone wants to increase the power in their punches they need to improve their technique, of course lifting weights is a lot easier than retraining your body to throw better punches but you get out what you put in.