Chris Eubank Jr vs Canelo Alvarez @160

[Stuarty]

Why are we talking about this twat Canelo at 160? He's middleweight champ without actually fighting a middleweight! Call me biased but I'd take BJS and Eubank Jnr to take him. He's a good young fighter but he is very overrated.

Recently he's been very underrated, probably because people get too hung up on what weight he's fighting at and their man love for Golovkin. He's not at elite level yet and may well never get there, but he's still a top class fighter, excellent counter puncher with superb timing. Struggles with fighters that move well which is enough for me to give Saunders a decent chance against him, but anyone that stands in front of him is going to have be a little bit special to beat him and Eubank isn't.

On another day Eubank may well have beaten BJS but you give BJS a chance and write off Eubank? As for man love for GGG, Weight classes are there for a reason. It gets on my tits that we have a middleweight champ unwilling to fight at the weight. GGG would absolutely maim Canelo. Eubank might not beat Canelo, it's just my opinion. When I think of the fight I see Eubank taking it.

[expe]

Why are we talking about this twat Canelo at 160? He's middleweight champ without actually fighting a middleweight! Call me biased but I'd take BJS and Eubank Jnr to take him. He's a good young fighter but he is very overrated.

Recently he's been very underrated, probably because people get too hung up on what weight he's fighting at and their man love for Golovkin. He's not at elite level yet and may well never get there, but he's still a top class fighter, excellent counter puncher with superb timing. Struggles with fighters that move well which is enough for me to give Saunders a decent chance against him, but anyone that stands in front of him is going to have be a little bit special to beat him and Eubank isn't.

On another day Eubank may well have beaten BJS but you give BJS a chance and write off Eubank? As for man love for GGG, Weight classes are there for a reason. It gets on my tits that we have a middleweight champ unwilling to fight at the weight. GGG would absolutely maim Canelo. Eubank might not beat Canelo, it's just my opinion. When I think of the fight I see Eubank taking it.

Styles make fights, I don't see Eubank ever beating Saunders anyway, clear difference in ability, if it wasn't for Billy Joe's poor fitness he'd have coasted the entire fight. Notwithstanding that, Saunders is a difficult fight for Alvarez stylistically because he's a southpaw and he moves well, he's struggled against them in the past against Trout and Lara, Eubank is made for Alvarez, he'll stand right in front of him and trade with him and in that case whoever's better defensively, technically and is the bigger puncher will win the fight, on all 3 counts that's Alvarez.

He fights at the weight, can't even accuse him of forcing opponents to drain themselves because Angulo, Lara, Kirkland, Cotto and Khan were all happy to take the fight at 11st 1. He needs to start fighting genuine middleweights after Khan but as long as he's fighting above 11st and below or equal to 11st 6 then he's fighting at middleweight.

[Stuarty]

Recently he's been very underrated, probably because people get too hung up on what weight he's fighting at and their man love for Golovkin. He's not at elite level yet and may well never get there, but he's still a top class fighter, excellent counter puncher with superb timing. Struggles with fighters that move well which is enough for me to give Saunders a decent chance against him, but anyone that stands in front of him is going to have be a little bit special to beat him and Eubank isn't.

On another day Eubank may well have beaten BJS but you give BJS a chance and write off Eubank? As for man love for GGG, Weight classes are there for a reason. It gets on my tits that we have a middleweight champ unwilling to fight at the weight. GGG would absolutely maim Canelo. Eubank might not beat Canelo, it's just my opinion. When I think of the fight I see Eubank taking it.

Styles make fights, I don't see Eubank ever beating Saunders anyway, clear difference in ability, if it wasn't for Billy Joe's poor fitness he'd have coasted the entire fight. Notwithstanding that, Saunders is a difficult fight for Alvarez stylistically because he's a southpaw and he moves well, he's struggled against them in the past against Trout and Lara, Eubank is made for Alvarez, he'll stand right in front of him and trade with him and in that case whoever's better defensively, technically and is the bigger puncher will win the fight, on all 3 counts that's Alvarez.

He fights at the weight, can't even accuse him of forcing opponents to drain themselves because Angulo, Lara, Kirkland, Cotto and Khan were all happy to take the fight at 11st 1. He needs to start fighting genuine middleweights after Khan but as long as he's fighting above 11st and below or equal to 11st 6 then he's fighting at middleweight.

You're right styles make fights and I thought of that as soon as I posted my last reply. BJS hasn't got the snap to keep Canelo away although I see him winning a tight decision if they met. I honestly think Eubank does him in a good fight. On paper it's Canelo all day long but you just don't know til they lock horns.

The weight thing really does annoy me. You can dress it up however you like but if Khan beats Canelo next up (which could happen) then Amir is the middleweight champ of the world? That is ridiculous in anyone's language!

[expe]

On another day Eubank may well have beaten BJS but you give BJS a chance and write off Eubank? As for man love for GGG, Weight classes are there for a reason. It gets on my tits that we have a middleweight champ unwilling to fight at the weight. GGG would absolutely maim Canelo. Eubank might not beat Canelo, it's just my opinion. When I think of the fight I see Eubank taking it.

Styles make fights, I don't see Eubank ever beating Saunders anyway, clear difference in ability, if it wasn't for Billy Joe's poor fitness he'd have coasted the entire fight. Notwithstanding that, Saunders is a difficult fight for Alvarez stylistically because he's a southpaw and he moves well, he's struggled against them in the past against Trout and Lara, Eubank is made for Alvarez, he'll stand right in front of him and trade with him and in that case whoever's better defensively, technically and is the bigger puncher will win the fight, on all 3 counts that's Alvarez.

He fights at the weight, can't even accuse him of forcing opponents to drain themselves because Angulo, Lara, Kirkland, Cotto and Khan were all happy to take the fight at 11st 1. He needs to start fighting genuine middleweights after Khan but as long as he's fighting above 11st and below or equal to 11st 6 then he's fighting at middleweight.

You're right styles make fights and I thought of that as soon as I posted my last reply. BJS hasn't got the snap to keep Canelo away although I see him winning a tight decision if they met. I honestly think Eubank does him in a good fight. On paper it's Canelo all day long but you just don't know til they lock horns.

The weight thing really does annoy me. You can dress it up however you like but if Khan beats Canelo next up (which could happen) then Amir is the middleweight champ of the world? That is ridiculous in anyone's language!

It's the problem with lineal titles, no mandatories mean that the champion can fight anyone and keep the title as long as they're active and fighting at the weight, regardless of whether they're actually the best in the world. Resulting in ridiculous situations like Shannon Briggs being Heavyweight champion in the late 90s, Zsolt Erdei possibly being Light Heavyweight champion for 5 years depending on how you trace the lineage and Khan possibly becoming Middleweight champion in May.

[Boxerbeetle]

Alvarez by KO, far too good for Eubank.

This. It's all about levels. Eubank got hit a fair bit last night. I think once he and Saunders step in to true world class then we will see that both don't really belong at that level. Both are more continental class imo

Saunders is world class IMO, if it wasn't for his poor fitness, which he's hopefully on the way to sorting out, there's only Golovkin at the weight that I'd pick to beat him. He's already stepped up to world level and won while boxing within himself.

Scraping past Andy Lee isn't much of an indicator as to how Saunders will fare at genuine world level.

[Stuarty]

Styles make fights, I don't see Eubank ever beating Saunders anyway, clear difference in ability, if it wasn't for Billy Joe's poor fitness he'd have coasted the entire fight. Notwithstanding that, Saunders is a difficult fight for Alvarez stylistically because he's a southpaw and he moves well, he's struggled against them in the past against Trout and Lara, Eubank is made for Alvarez, he'll stand right in front of him and trade with him and in that case whoever's better defensively, technically and is the bigger puncher will win the fight, on all 3 counts that's Alvarez.

He fights at the weight, can't even accuse him of forcing opponents to drain themselves because Angulo, Lara, Kirkland, Cotto and Khan were all happy to take the fight at 11st 1. He needs to start fighting genuine middleweights after Khan but as long as he's fighting above 11st and below or equal to 11st 6 then he's fighting at middleweight.

You're right styles make fights and I thought of that as soon as I posted my last reply. BJS hasn't got the snap to keep Canelo away although I see him winning a tight decision if they met. I honestly think Eubank does him in a good fight. On paper it's Canelo all day long but you just don't know til they lock horns.

The weight thing really does annoy me. You can dress it up however you like but if Khan beats Canelo next up (which could happen) then Amir is the middleweight champ of the world? That is ridiculous in anyone's language!

It's the problem with lineal titles, no mandatories mean that the champion can fight anyone and keep the title as long as they're active and fighting at the weight, regardless of whether they're actually the best in the world. Resulting in ridiculous situations like Shannon Briggs being Heavyweight champion in the late 90s, Zsolt Erdei possibly being Light Heavyweight champion for 5 years depending on how you trace the lineage and Khan possibly becoming Middleweight champion in May.

Yeah I'll agree with you there man.

[Ikopable]

Recently he's been very underrated, probably because people get too hung up on what weight he's fighting at and their man love for Golovkin. He's not at elite level yet and may well never get there, but he's still a top class fighter, excellent counter puncher with superb timing. Struggles with fighters that move well which is enough for me to give Saunders a decent chance against him, but anyone that stands in front of him is going to have be a little bit special to beat him and Eubank isn't.

On another day Eubank may well have beaten BJS but you give BJS a chance and write off Eubank? As for man love for GGG, Weight classes are there for a reason. It gets on my tits that we have a middleweight champ unwilling to fight at the weight. GGG would absolutely maim Canelo. Eubank might not beat Canelo, it's just my opinion. When I think of the fight I see Eubank taking it.

He fights at the weight, can't even accuse him of forcing opponents to drain themselves because Angulo, Lara, Kirkland, Cotto and Khan were all happy to take the fight at 11st 1. He needs to start fighting genuine middleweights after Khan but as long as he's fighting above 11st and below or equal to 11st 6 then he's fighting at middleweight.

I understand your point but it's still not entirely true, he fights within the range but he does not allow his opponents to fight at the full 11st 6. If he wants to come in at 11st1 then that's his prerogative but him limiting the rest of the division at his "preferred" weight is against the rules (or at least the ethos) of the weight class system. If they were to limit the Middleweight class at 11st1 it would discount the majority of the division from contesting for the belts.

Angulo, Lara, Kirkland, Cotto & Khan were all happy to fight under the 11st6 as none of them had really competed at that weight anyway, I mean he's pulling up a guy (in Khan) that has never really established himself as a good Welterweight! I think it's more of a disgrace that Cotto as a MW champion never actually defended at the limit of 11st6 and won it from (a crippled) Martinez at 11st 4 I think and in one fight came in under the MW lower threshold.

[expe]

This. It's all about levels. Eubank got hit a fair bit last night. I think once he and Saunders step in to true world class then we will see that both don't really belong at that level. Both are more continental class imo

Saunders is world class IMO, if it wasn't for his poor fitness, which he's hopefully on the way to sorting out, there's only Golovkin at the weight that I'd pick to beat him. He's already stepped up to world level and won while boxing within himself.

Scraping past Andy Lee isn't much of an indicator as to how Saunders will fare at genuine world level.

I think he was capable of winning a lot wider, but preferred not to take risks knowing he was ahead and that Lee could take him out with one punch.

[Aaronide_ger]

How do you all know Canelo is a bigger puncher than Eubank? Really? Who has he knocked out recently? Kirkland.. Glass Jaw that was Ko'ed in 1 round by feather fisted Ishida.. Canelo couldnt KO Cotto who seemed 2 divisions smaller on fight night.. Eubank will probably also be the biggest (In size) opponent he has ever faced, he is Huge for 160..

I dont think Canelo has more Power than Eubank, And jr seems to have better stamina too. He was relentless saturday night, Canelo picks his shots/Combos and still gets tired by the late rounds. Eubank was a non stop beast in action.. its a toss up for me, Eubank is talented and still hasnt unlocked his full potential..

[PredatorHayds]

Canelo-Eubank would be a good fight but I'd favour Canelo to win on points.

The fight would be at close quarters and I can see Canelo being too strong for him.

Canelo gets a lot of criticism for weight issues but the fact still remains is he's a quality fighter who beaten everyone he's faced bar FMJ.

If Golovkin wasn't there he'd be the best 'middle' in the world.

[Boxerbeetle]

How do you all know Canelo is a bigger puncher than Eubank? Really? Who has he knocked out recently? Kirkland.. Glass Jaw that was Ko'ed in 1 round by feather fisted Ishida.. Canelo couldnt KO Cotto who seemed 2 divisions smaller on fight night.. Eubank will probably also be the biggest (In size) opponent he has ever faced, he is Huge for 160..

I dont think Canelo has more Power than Eubank, And jr seems to have better stamina too. He was relentless saturday night, Canelo picks his shots/Combos and still gets tired by the late rounds. Eubank was a non stop beast in action.. its a toss up for me, Eubank is talented and still hasnt unlocked his full potential..

I would have thought anyone with eyes would know that Canelo is a bigger puncher than Eubank.

[Aaronide_ger]

How do you all know Canelo is a bigger puncher than Eubank? Really? Who has he knocked out recently? Kirkland.. Glass Jaw that was Ko'ed in 1 round by feather fisted Ishida.. Canelo couldnt KO Cotto who seemed 2 divisions smaller on fight night.. Eubank will probably also be the biggest (In size) opponent he has ever faced, he is Huge for 160..

I dont think Canelo has more Power than Eubank, And jr seems to have better stamina too. He was relentless saturday night, Canelo picks his shots/Combos and still gets tired by the late rounds. Eubank was a non stop beast in action.. its a toss up for me, Eubank is talented and still hasnt unlocked his full potential..

I would have thought anyone with eyes would know that Canelo is a bigger puncher than Eubank.

Canelo wouldnt KO Chudinov or Blackwell,. Eubank did.

[crusader]

Couldn't even put either of them down despite continually landing clean powershots that he was loading up on....stoppages like that arent really indicative of good power and the fights were stopped because Eubank couldn't get rid of the opponents and thus kept beating up on them.

I think Canelo would stop those two by the way.

[big lennox]

I think Eubank Jnr would beat Alvarez. Eubank, whilst not a one punch knock out specialist, is a spiteful puncher and throws a lot of shot and his awkward movement would give Alvarez fits, as he has to set himself to through punches. The fact that Alvarez is taking on Amir Khan instead of GGG is very telling.

Can you imagine Khan standing up to the shots that Eubank Jnr through on Saturday night? Not a cat chance in dog town.

[jimcook]

load of bollocks about eubank beating canelo. peopleare forgetting that blackwell is euro level at best. kell brook showed what a world class fighter does to fighters at lower levels. the only class opponent eubank has fought was suanders, and he got schooled up until saunders ran out of puff. eubank is big and fit and tough and determined but when he moves up in class it will be him taking blackwell levels of punishment. canelo has had around fifty fights, fought and beat every world class fighter he has been in with except for mayweather, and is still improving and is at least two years younger than eubank.

[big lennox]

Canelo got completely schooled by mayweather,a welterweight, and has feasted on light middleweights and welterweights ever since. Eubank Jnr would be too big for him. It is telling that canelo, as wbc middleweight champion of the world, had shown zero interest in fighting a middleweight. His fight against khan is as cynical as it comes. I also think Eubank Jnr will chase BJS out of the ring in a rematch. He will start much faster this time, wear him down and stop him late on.BJS barely got across the line last time, and Eubank didn't start fast as he was unsure about his stamina. Now he knows he can go 12 rounds at a lick.

[jimcook]

dont see how eubank gets all the credit for improving but bjs doesnt get the same , even though it was bjs who got a world title belt and eubank went back down for a british one. its like all those idiots who thought george groves was the new marvin hagler because he had a couple of good rounds against an ageing and undermotivated froch. eubank is not in the same league as bjs and idoubt if he ever will be. if bjs sorts out his fitness, what has eubank got to trouble him?

[big lennox]

dont see how eubank gets all the credit for improving but bjs doesnt get the same , even though it was bjs who got a world title belt and eubank went back down for a british one. its like all those idiots who thought george groves was the new marvin hagler because he had a couple of good rounds against an ageing and undermotivated froch. eubank is not in the same league as bjs and idoubt if he ever will be. if bjs sorts out his fitness, what has eubank got to trouble him?

I think BJS is a very good, skilful fighter, and I thought it was a bad fight for Eubank to take at the time -too soon for him. Now, however, Eubank will have the confidence that he can throw a lot of shots and keep coming on strong in the later rounds. I personally don't think BJS will have the stamina to live with him in a rematch.