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Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 03:45**

nick885 wrote:
johnswan1 wrote:Sr felt the flashy multi punch combo's should have resulted in the ref jumping in. My understanding during the fight was that Sr was telling him that the ref was not going to stop the fight from head shots so to take the stoppage decision into his own hands by going to the body. I didn't think he was saying "don't hit him in the face anymore in case he gets hurt" as the media have been making out.

He can be heard on camera saying to stop punching the head or he is going to get hurt

No he didn't. When did he tell him to stop punching the head? Print the exact wording please.

He said, "You will not stop him to the head, you will stop him to the body." which is not the same thing at all.

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 03:47**

nick885 wrote:
mimmy123 wrote:On the news today Mr Eubank has said that he told his son to go for the body rather than the head as he was worried about the damage that Jr could have done.

Now When I watched the fight I heard Sr say to Jr go for the body. But I do not think it meant what he is now saying. I was thinking at the time that he was giving this info to Jr as to wear Blackwell down to the body rather than the head as the head shots were not going to knock Blackwell out.

Im not sure that Eubank was giving that ino as a worrying warning.

What do you guys thinK?
Did you not hear snr say if you keep hitting the head he was going to get hurt and as the ref wasn't stopping the fight he would have to go to the boddy to finish it.

That is a twist of the words and you should be embarrassed.

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 04:31**

tobyh5 wrote:
nick885 wrote:
mimmy123 wrote:On the news today Mr Eubank has said that he told his son to go for the body rather than the head as he was worried about the damage that Jr could have done.

Now When I watched the fight I heard Sr say to Jr go for the body. But I do not think it meant what he is now saying. I was thinking at the time that he was giving this info to Jr as to wear Blackwell down to the body rather than the head as the head shots were not going to knock Blackwell out.

Im not sure that Eubank was giving that ino as a worrying warning.

What do you guys thinK?
Did you not hear snr say if you keep hitting the head he was going to get hurt and as the ref wasn't stopping the fight he would have to go to the boddy to finish it.

That is a twist of the words and you should be embarrassed.

Here is it on youtube plus the narrator reading what wa said

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_n0OEBJkdk

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 04:57**

My impression was he wanted Jr t hit him in the body to end the fight to stop him taking punishment. So sorta both.

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 06:08**

tobyh5 wrote:
Dixonian wrote:
tobyh5 wrote:Complete BS. He wanted the stoppage and was concerned about the decision not going their way despite how one sided it was. He said "Number one he will get hurt and number two it will go to a decision". Now what the actual feck has a decision got to do with the wellbeing of the other fighter? It does not fit at all.

Moving on. Son continued to hit the opponent, targetting the head. He was so concerned and compassionate that he did zero in the round, no shouting at Jnr to stop doing it. Then the next break he again reiterated his worry of it going to a decision and then added, "get him out of there" or "take him out" ( i forget which exactly). Hardly that concerned.

Compassion would have been refusing to fight on and refusing to hit the lad again and demanding he sought medical attention. Compassion is not standing in a corner watching your son continue to hit him in the head when suspecting serious damage
Can you tell me about a single incident in the history of boxing where a trainer has urged his fighter to show compassion to his opponent in this way you describe?
relevance is what?

If people want to highlight a very rare act of compassion across the newspaper and on news outlets, it kind of suggests it is not the norm, so there would not be previous example of much compassion. Logic.

BJS, who i admit is a bit of a tit, makes my exact points on a IFL TV interview, all of my points of the last couple days. So I am hardly making poo up that would not occur to anyone else

I actually agree with your point that the media have gone overboard on this - and indeed, completely made stuff up. The front page of the Guardian today is an absolute joke.

However, Eubank Snr was imploring the referee to stop the fight from ringside. And, he give very odd advice to his son between rounds, the overriding message of which is open to interpretation (I actually do think it was a combination of tactics "go to the body" with concern for his opponent).

Your assertion that Snr was more concerned of losing the decision is utter nonsense - there was absolutely no danger whatsoever that this might happen.

Point is, Snr conveyed more compassion for an opponent than I've seen before from a trainer.

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 06:09**

Coco wrote:
Dixonian wrote:
tobyh5 wrote:Complete BS. He wanted the stoppage and was concerned about the decision not going their way despite how one sided it was. He said "Number one he will get hurt and number two it will go to a decision". Now what the actual feck has a decision got to do with the wellbeing of the other fighter? It does not fit at all.

Moving on. Son continued to hit the opponent, targetting the head. He was so concerned and compassionate that he did zero in the round, no shouting at Jnr to stop doing it. Then the next break he again reiterated his worry of it going to a decision and then added, "get him out of there" or "take him out" ( i forget which exactly). Hardly that concerned.

Compassion would have been refusing to fight on and refusing to hit the lad again and demanding he sought medical attention. Compassion is not standing in a corner watching your son continue to hit him in the head when suspecting serious damage
Can you tell me about a single incident in the history of boxing where a trainer has urged his fighter to show compassion to his opponent in this way you describe?
Eubanks snr showed a load of compassion to Collins

As a fighter yes.

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 07:28**

Dixonian wrote:
Your assertion that Snr was more concerned of losing the decision is utter nonsense - there was absolutely no danger whatsoever that this might happen.
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Then explain why he again referred to it after the 9th round. What is your theory on his repeated mentioning of not wanting it to go to the cards.

Oh and now Warren has done an interview saying that it was strategic, as has BJS and Johnny Nelson.

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 07:53**

Its all ifs/buts/maybes based on interpretation. One thing I know for sure is thank god Eubank Snr was allowed in the ring and said what he did. I shudder to think of the outcome if he wasn't & didn't.

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 09:16**

Well there is now another thread here that answers the questions and comes from the horses mouth. He saw no need to hit the head as they were winning but also because the kid was absorbing the head shots. Time to try the body to take him out. That comes out of the mouth of Eubank himself.

"To stop a fighter who can absorb punishment to the head the best thing is to go downstairs." - Chris Eubank Snr.

When asked if Snr would have given the advice about going downstairs if they had not been in such a strong position, they confirm they would not have given that advice. Junior even says, for those of you still refusing to believe what has been fecking obvious since the fight - "It does not matter how hurt the guy is, if I'm in danger, he wants his fighter his son to come away with the victory"

Christ, end of the day, the Eubanks have done nothing wrong and there was no need to make this whole BS story up

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 12:00**

mimmy123 wrote:
tobyh5 wrote:
nick885 wrote:
Did you not hear snr say if you keep hitting the head he was going to get hurt and as the ref wasn't stopping the fight he would have to go to the boddy to finish it.

That is a twist of the words and you should be embarrassed.

Here is it on youtube plus the narrator reading what wa said

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_n0OEBJkdk[/quote

You will have to forgive me but the clip doesn't show eubank talking at all watch the fight not what someone is saying over pictures.

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 12:09**

i think it was a mix of both

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 12:43**

Eubank knew the cameras were on him, and he was also hoping the ref would hear him shouting. He tried this when he was fighting Henry Wharton. After a flurry of blows he invited the referee to stop it, and Wharton laughed out loud. Eubank's 'grandstanding' was all about winning the fight, not concern for Blackwell. Great publicity for him now though.

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 12:47**

Anyone still trying to claim Eubank Sr was trying to protect Blackwell out of compassion is a fvcking moron.

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 12:49**

tobyh5 wrote:
nick885 wrote:
johnswan1 wrote:Sr felt the flashy multi punch combo's should have resulted in the ref jumping in. My understanding during the fight was that Sr was telling him that the ref was not going to stop the fight from head shots so to take the stoppage decision into his own hands by going to the body. I didn't think he was saying "don't hit him in the face anymore in case he gets hurt" as the media have been making out.

He can be heard on camera saying to stop punching the head or he is going to get hurt
No he didn't. When did he tell him to stop punching the head? Print the exact wording please.

He said, "You will not stop him to the head, you will stop him to the body." which is not the same thing at all.

Watch the fight again snr is clearly heard saying if the referee doesn't stop it I don't know what to tell you, but I will tell you this one, if you keep on beating him like this he's getting hurt two, if it goes to a decision why hasn't he stopped the fight, I don't get why, so maybe you shouldn't leave it to the referee, Now you're not going to take him out to the face, you are going to take him out to the boddy Eubanks exact words. And if you watched the fight Blackwell was all but finished by head shots and Eubanks was winning the fight so no need to go to the boddy he would have finished it by continuing to land head punches you will also see jnr eased off. Straight from the tape.

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 12:55**

dalcumly wrote:Eubank knew the cameras were on him, and he was also hoping the ref would hear him shouting. He tried this when he was fighting Henry Wharton. After a flurry of blows he invited the referee to stop it, and Wharton laughed out loud. Eubank's 'grandstanding' was all about winning the fight, not concern for Blackwell. Great publicity for him now though.

The camera that looks on the corner is the one on the boom and the writers control what is captured and what is broadcast so n Eubanks would not have known if the camera was on him and he doesn't look in the direction of the camera either

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 12:57**

Boxerbeetle wrote:Anyone still trying to claim Eubank Sr was trying to protect Blackwell out of compassion is a fvcking moron.

Ah how eloquent and how wrong

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 12:58**

Truth is, no one's knows except Eubank himself.

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 13:04**

Boxerbeetle wrote:Anyone still trying to claim Eubank Sr was trying to protect Blackwell out of compassion is a fvcking moron.

I do think it was a tactical response rather than compassionate. But I believe later Snr was asking the ref to stop it. Whatever. The Eubanks love publicity and they've had plenty of mileage out of this. Jnr's responses seem a little colder.

From my perspective I thought it was a reasonable time to stop the fight. Blackwell never looked 'hurt'....he always came back under pressure. The injury rightfully caused the stoppage. Of course it was a bruising fight and uppercuts are probably the worst punches to be hit with with regards to getting your brain rattled.

Blackwell is such a warrior, but was never staggered or looked in severe distress. If the injury hadn't happened, everyone would be talking about what a great fight it was, how tough Blackwell is and he never gave up, and that it was a good result for Eubank.

It's very easy to be wise after the event....

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 13:11**

tobyh5 wrote:
Dixonian wrote:
Your assertion that Snr was more concerned of losing the decision is utter nonsense - there was absolutely no danger whatsoever that this might happen.
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Then explain why he again referred to it after the 9th round. What is your theory on his repeated mentioning of not wanting it to go to the cards.

Oh and now Warren has done an interview saying that it was strategic, as has BJS and Johnny Nelson.

Can't say I heard any mention of the cards during the whole fight and snr showed no concern about his son loosing the fight, and I can't say I understand any strategy that says stop punching to the head and switch to the boddy, when you are clearly winning by punching to the head

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 13:14**

gazza8 wrote:Does it even matter?

you heard what the tv picked up on...no1 heard what he said when the camera wasnt on him

True but we did hear all he said to his son in the ring.

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 13:15**

nick885 wrote:
tobyh5 wrote:
Dixonian wrote:
Your assertion that Snr was more concerned of losing the decision is utter nonsense - there was absolutely no danger whatsoever that this might happen.
.
Then explain why he again referred to it after the 9th round. What is your theory on his repeated mentioning of not wanting it to go to the cards.

Oh and now Warren has done an interview saying that it was strategic, as has BJS and Johnny Nelson.
Can't say I heard any mention of the cards during the whole fight and snr showed no concern about his son loosing the fight, and I can't say I understand any strategy that says stop punching to the head and switch to the boddy, when you are clearly winning by punching to the head

Again, when did he say to stop punching the head? He did not say that, you are altering what he said slightly. Are you doing this to troll? Or just having a bad day mate?

He did not mention the word "cards" but twice he said he did not want it going to a decision. Said that after the 8th and 9th rounds.

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 13:17**

nick885 wrote:
Boxerbeetle wrote:Anyone still trying to claim Eubank Sr was trying to protect Blackwell out of compassion is a fvcking moron.
Ah how eloquent and how wrong

Even the Eubanks have confirmed it. I don't know how to make it any easier for you.

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 13:19**

Boxerbeetle wrote:
nick885 wrote:
Boxerbeetle wrote:Anyone still trying to claim Eubank Sr was trying to protect Blackwell out of compassion is a fvcking moron.
Ah how eloquent and how wrong
Even the Eubanks have confirmed it. I don't know how to make it any easier for you.

Please help me here, why are people going with this when it was always clearly reading the situation wrong but as you have just said, the Eubanks have confirmed it themselves and still people are arguing, but fecking arguing with the actual people involved. I do not get it at all!!

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 13:25**

Boxerbeetle wrote:
nick885 wrote:
Boxerbeetle wrote:Anyone still trying to claim Eubank Sr was trying to protect Blackwell out of compassion is a fvcking moron.
Ah how eloquent and how wrong
Even the Eubanks have confirmed it. I don't know how to make it any easier for you.

Read my previous and try to understand the contex of what they are saying in interviews.

Posted: **30 Mar 2016, 13:29**

tobyh5 wrote:
Dixonian wrote:
Your assertion that Snr was more concerned of losing the decision is utter nonsense - there was absolutely no danger whatsoever that this might happen.
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Then explain why he again referred to it after the 9th round. What is your theory on his repeated mentioning of not wanting it to go to the cards.

Oh and now Warren has done an interview saying that it was strategic, as has BJS and Johnny Nelson.

Those 3 wouldn't have any reason to give Eubank stick then no?

At the end of the day who the fornicate knows for sure? It most fair to say it was a bit of both.

How many times as Sr. said that refs need to look after jr apponents ? He even said to black wells face in the pre fight press conference I'm worried you will get hurt, the ref needs to look after you. During the fight he is told to shut it by victor for begging him to stop the fight and in between roads he warns jr that he will hurt him but he is bullshitting and not compassionate, just wants the lime light?

Maybe in the back of his mind he knows during a fight like that it isn't great advice to come flat out and say, no more punches to the head and try's telling jr he needs the stopage and you will get that with a body shot . On top of course he wants the win for Jr , goes with out saying

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