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Stuarty30 wrote:

lefty wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:
Is it your period or something? I said 'apparently' and the comment was in reference to something I read. I'm sure the thing I read was just an old manager or promoters opinion so it wasn't a diagnosis or anything like that. If the man is suffering a mental illness then hopefully it is identified and he's treated. He shouldn't be near a professional boxing ring if that is the case.

In the meantime try and not menstruate all over your mums spare room

Ad hominem attacks don't make your position look any better buddy

My position being? You're the one pissing your frillys over a couple of posts. Making a problem where there isn't one. Must be an attention thing. Were you refused a tit as an infant?

You wernt around so yes.

lefty wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

lefty wrote: Ad hominem attacks don't make your position look any better buddy

My position being? You're the one pissing your frillys over a couple of posts. Making a problem where there isn't one. Must be an attention thing. Were you refused a tit as an infant?

You wernt around so yes.

I'm mentally ill! Don't upset me

Tuan_Jim wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:The scumbag is still refusing to man up and apologize for his crimes. I hope he takes a beating, like he would have if he'd fought Lennox back in the day.

I'm sure losing 15 years of your life in prison is worse than getting beaten up in a boxing ring one time for money.

He deserved to serve that time, he committed violent crimes against women. The man is scum.

You don't need a doctorate in psychiatry to diagnose the likes of Ibeabuchi, he was an overrated prospect and an all around prick.

Sklar wrote:You don't need a doctorate in psychiatry to diagnose the likes of Ibeabuchi, he was an overrated prospect and an all around prick.

Emotional drivel.

How many heavyweight prospects in the last 20 years have gone through two of the world's top contenders in their first 20 fights? Ibeabuchi went after one of the most feared punchers in the world in Tua, and then whacked the most avoided contender in the division in Byrd. Both guys in their 20s, in serious title contention, in their prime. That is sensational form, and an attitude we can only wish were the norm among heavyweights.

Again I ask you, who else has done that in the last 20 years?

Tuan_Jim wrote:

Sklar wrote:You don't need a doctorate in psychiatry to diagnose the likes of Ibeabuchi, he was an overrated prospect and an all around prick.

Emotional drivel.

How many heavyweight prospects in the last 20 years have gone through two of the world's top contenders in their first 20 fights? Ibeabuchi went after one of the most feared punchers in the world in Tua, and then whacked the most avoided contender in the division in Byrd. Both guys in their 20s, in serious title contention, in their prime. That is sensational form, and an attitude we can only wish were the norm among heavyweights.

Again I ask you, who else has done that in the last 20 years?

Correct, Ike was a beast. The way he walked through Byrd was spectacular, I seriously doubt Lewis would have beaten Byrd as easily, and who the hell else could go toe to toe with Tua like that and not leave in a bodybag. Had he been a good boy and stayed out of trouble we would probably never have needed to witness the Wlad reign of terror, or at least have Wlad doing his thing in Germany as a HW Brahmer while the real champ Ike would have commanded the attention Stateside. Very doubtful now Ike can make an impression in the division but I hope he has at least something left. If he does, things could be very interesting indeed.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

Sklar wrote:You don't need a doctorate in psychiatry to diagnose the likes of Ibeabuchi, he was an overrated prospect and an all around prick.

Emotional drivel.

How many heavyweight prospects in the last 20 years have gone through two of the world's top contenders in their first 20 fights? Ibeabuchi went after one of the most feared punchers in the world in Tua, and then whacked the most avoided contender in the division in Byrd. Both guys in their 20s, in serious title contention, in their prime. That is sensational form, and an attitude we can only wish were the norm among heavyweights.

Again I ask you, who else has done that in the last 20 years?

I'd say that his willingness to trade would have been his undoing, and possibly was. Nobody can routinely take blows like that to the head without serious consequences. He was a truly formidable specimen, and very athletic, but he didn't appear to have much ring IQ.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

Sklar wrote:You don't need a doctorate in psychiatry to diagnose the likes of Ibeabuchi, he was an overrated prospect and an all around prick.

Emotional drivel.

How many heavyweight prospects in the last 20 years have gone through two of the world's top contenders in their first 20 fights? Ibeabuchi went after one of the most feared punchers in the world in Tua, and then whacked the most avoided contender in the division in Byrd. Both guys in their 20s, in serious title contention, in their prime. That is sensational form, and an attitude we can only wish were the norm among heavyweights.

Again I ask you, who else has done that in the last 20 years?

Correct, Ike was a beast. The way he walked through Byrd was spectacular, I seriously doubt Lewis would have beaten Byrd as easily, and who the hell else could go toe to toe with Tua like that and not leave in a bodybag. Had he been a good boy and stayed out of trouble we would probably never have needed to witness the Wlad reign of terror, or at least have Wlad doing his thing in Germany as a HW Brahmer while the real champ Ike would have commanded the attention Stateside. Very doubtful now Ike can make an impression in the division but I hope he has at least something left. If he does, things could be very interesting indeed.

Byrd was a decent light heavyweight who exploited a weak heavyweight moment in time and an injure Vitali Klitschko. Tua is 5'9" and didn't land a paw on Lennox in 12 rounds. Savon did him in about ten seconds.

Sklar wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:
Emotional drivel.

How many heavyweight prospects in the last 20 years have gone through two of the world's top contenders in their first 20 fights? Ibeabuchi went after one of the most feared punchers in the world in Tua, and then whacked the most avoided contender in the division in Byrd. Both guys in their 20s, in serious title contention, in their prime. That is sensational form, and an attitude we can only wish were the norm among heavyweights.

Again I ask you, who else has done that in the last 20 years?

Correct, Ike was a beast. The way he walked through Byrd was spectacular, I seriously doubt Lewis would have beaten Byrd as easily, and who the hell else could go toe to toe with Tua like that and not leave in a bodybag. Had he been a good boy and stayed out of trouble we would probably never have needed to witness the Wlad reign of terror, or at least have Wlad doing his thing in Germany as a HW Brahmer while the real champ Ike would have commanded the attention Stateside. Very doubtful now Ike can make an impression in the division but I hope he has at least something left. If he does, things could be very interesting indeed.

Byrd was a decent light heavyweight who exploited a weak heavyweight moment in time and an injure Vitali Klitschko. Tua is 5'9" and didn't land a paw on Lennox in 12 rounds. Savon did him in about ten seconds.

Byrd was a top contender at heavyweight for a long time with some solid wins over his career. During his best years, noone destroyed him like Ike did. If he was a slouch at heavy, why couldn't Wlad put him away in 2000? He had already been crushed by Ike at that point too. Tua could be outboxed but at his best he was only beaten by Lewis and Ike, and the Byrd fight could easily have gone the other way. He was a top guy in the division no matter how you spin it and was always in with a shot with the crushing power he possessed. Beating Tua in the manner Ike did was something pretty much noone else could (or would even have tried) to do.

Good luck to him better he concentrate on boxing than anything else, done his time give him a break, hope he does very well

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Sklar wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:
Correct, Ike was a beast. The way he walked through Byrd was spectacular, I seriously doubt Lewis would have beaten Byrd as easily, and who the hell else could go toe to toe with Tua like that and not leave in a bodybag. Had he been a good boy and stayed out of trouble we would probably never have needed to witness the Wlad reign of terror, or at least have Wlad doing his thing in Germany as a HW Brahmer while the real champ Ike would have commanded the attention Stateside. Very doubtful now Ike can make an impression in the division but I hope he has at least something left. If he does, things could be very interesting indeed.

Byrd was a decent light heavyweight who exploited a weak heavyweight moment in time and an injure Vitali Klitschko. Tua is 5'9" and didn't land a paw on Lennox in 12 rounds. Savon did him in about ten seconds.

Byrd was a top contender at heavyweight for a long time with some solid wins over his career. During his best years, noone destroyed him like Ike did. If he was a slouch at heavy, why couldn't Wlad put him away in 2000? He had already been crushed by Ike at that point too. Tua could be outboxed but at his best he was only beaten by Lewis and Ike, and the Byrd fight could easily have gone the other way. He was a top guy in the division no matter how you spin it and was always in with a shot with the crushing power he possessed. Beating Tua in the manner Ike did was something pretty much noone else could (or would even have tried) to do.

Why would you fight Tua like he did unless that's what your limitations dictated? Quick way to scrambled brain going toe to toe with that type of slugger. Lennox barely got touched and made Tua look absolutely hopeless for 36 minutes.

I’ve never quite understood why negating your physical advantages Vs Tua in a close war means that you would easily beat Lewis, who out-boxed the same man. I’m not use A beats B so beats C logic in saying that, I just don’t see why Ike is seen as someone who would beat Lewis, especially given his fragile mental state.

Sklar wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Sklar wrote:

Byrd was a decent light heavyweight who exploited a weak heavyweight moment in time and an injure Vitali Klitschko. Tua is 5'9" and didn't land a paw on Lennox in 12 rounds. Savon did him in about ten seconds.

Byrd was a top contender at heavyweight for a long time with some solid wins over his career. During his best years, noone destroyed him like Ike did. If he was a slouch at heavy, why couldn't Wlad put him away in 2000? He had already been crushed by Ike at that point too. Tua could be outboxed but at his best he was only beaten by Lewis and Ike, and the Byrd fight could easily have gone the other way. He was a top guy in the division no matter how you spin it and was always in with a shot with the crushing power he possessed. Beating Tua in the manner Ike did was something pretty much noone else could (or would even have tried) to do.

Why would you fight Tua like he did unless that's what your limitations dictated? Quick way to scrambled brain going toe to toe with that type of slugger. Lennox barely got touched and made Tua look absolutely hopeless for 36 minutes.

Because, as James said, he didn't have the best ring IQ, but the fact he was able to walk through what he did speaks volumes about what he could have done in the division. He showed he could walk through a slick boxer and mix it up with a powerful slugger. No limitations on show at all.

Not sure what would have happened vs Lewis, but it would have been a mouthwatering encounter.

Metal Fingers wrote:I’ve never quite understood why negating your physical advantages Vs Tua in a close war means that you would easily beat Lewis, who out-boxed the same man. I’m not use A beats B so beats C logic in saying that, I just don’t see why Ike is seen as someone who would beat Lewis, especially given his fragile mental state.

It would have been hard to call, but when you consider Mercer ran Lewis close and Lennox was extended by guys like Mavrovic and befuddled at times by Bruno it's easier to see Ike coming out on top. Ike would have dragged Lewis into the trenches similar to Mercer but Ike was better than Ray...the more I think about it the more I think Ike's workrate would have made it hell for Lennox. Seems crazy but I actually think Vitali might have had more of a chance vs Ike than Lewis...

Ike would have crushed any version of Wlad.

Metal Fingers wrote:I’ve never quite understood why negating your physical advantages Vs Tua in a close war means that you would easily beat Lewis, who out-boxed the same man. I’m not use A beats B so beats C logic in saying that, I just don’t see why Ike is seen as someone who would beat Lewis, especially given his fragile mental state.

Indeed. Ibeabuchi was good value and boxing was better for having him about (to a point) but the myth that has spun up since he did what he did and got looked up is the stuff of crazies. Ibeabuchi would've walked straight onto everything Lennox threw for as long as he could put up with it.

ha, indeed, Ike has always inspired more than his fair share of frothy-mouthed revisionism from tumescent fanboys chewing and salivating over his 'what-if's'

I'll admit that Ibeabuchi's performance against Byrd was impressive, and to a lesser extent in some ways, against Tua.

Standing Toe-to-Toe with Tua, thus allowing him in to range to unload, is impressive in the sense that you need to have a great chin to come out on top, but it also shows a lack of intelligence. You're basically taking the fight to where he is most comfortable.

Counter-puncher wrote:ha, indeed, Ike has always inspired more than his fair share of frothy-mouthed revisionism from tumescent fanboys chewing and salivating over his 'what-if's'

Or maybe, just maybe, it's possible that he proved enough in his short time fighting to justify the predictions?

Harrrrumph! harrrumph! harrrrumph!

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'll admit that Ibeabuchi's performance against Byrd was impressive, and to a lesser extent in some ways, against Tua.

Standing Toe-to-Toe with Tua, thus allowing him in to range to unload, is impressive in the sense that you need to have a great chin to come out on top, but it also shows a lack of intelligence. You're basically taking the fight to where he is most comfortable.

But the thing is, such a 'lack of intelligence' in employing that style wouldn't have put him in bad stead against anyone else in the division. Against Lewis for example he would have needed to be just as aggressive, and indeed what would have been considered a 'lack of intelligence' in one fight could have been his route to victory in another.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'll admit that Ibeabuchi's performance against Byrd was impressive, and to a lesser extent in some ways, against Tua.

Standing Toe-to-Toe with Tua, thus allowing him in to range to unload, is impressive in the sense that you need to have a great chin to come out on top, but it also shows a lack of intelligence. You're basically taking the fight to where he is most comfortable.

Also need to allow for the fact that Ike would have been very green going into the Tua fight. Ike was 16-0 but had not been in with a single live body. His prior opponent (just one month before the Tua fight) had a 17-9-1 record and his opponent before that was 9-20-3 (who he won a 10 round UD against, with one judge giving it to him just 96-93). Tua went into that fight 27-0 and already had wins over the likes of Ruiz & Maskaev (and followed up a year later with a stoppage of 29-0 Hasim Rahman).

Point I suppose is that he was entitled to come on significantly from the Tua fight, which he did by stopping his next three opponents.

Perhaps, we shall never know.

What's certain is that he's going to be little more than an afterthought now. He's too old, and he's probably been taking anti psychotic meds for quite a number of years.

He's finished and will achieve little on his return.

Ibeabuchi actually kept his left sensibly glued to his head in the early going versus Tua, and did a phenomenal job out-voluming him - throwing double the number of average heavyweight punches. That is a scary engine. A bloated 36 year old Ray Mercer didn't need anywhere near that sort of workrate to push Lewis to the brink - and Ray's defence was his head too.

I think this need to diminish Ibeabuchi's accomplishments is more a response to his sordid life outside the ring, or the admittedly idiotic type of boxing fan he does tend to attract. But only an utter cretin would mention a teenage Tua getting blown out by an adult Savon. Why not make a big deal out of a teen Tyson getting KOd by an adult Al Evans?

I still wait for someone to name a prospect who went through two of the world's top contenders in his first 20 fights in the last 20 years. Since there is no answer to this question it has become necessary to downgrade Tua and Byrd, which is where the true revisionism lies.

El Presidente was somewhere between Mercer and the 1994 Oliver McCall. He's far more well equipped than Hasim Rahman. To dismiss his chances vs Lewis defies logic.

No one is downgrading those wins, but he completely went batshit crazy and if he struggled to keep it together for long enough to bang a call girl how would he cope with the build-up to a fight with someone as calm as Lewis or, for that matter, Klitschko?

Vasyl Lomachenko
David Reid
Erislandy Lara
Carl Frampton
Guillermo Rigondeaux
Demetrius Andrade

Are some of the people who took on top 20 opposition within 20 and won.