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because joshua is as solid a heavyweight
as can be. he has it all. no one knows how
people will do at top level, but he for sure
is a candidate for top3 at heavy.

BitPlayer wrote: How do you know that? We've never seen how he handles someone keeping him at range, never seen him get hit and hit and hit. Wlad's upper body movement is far superior, and he's had more experience fighting bigger people. That's why Fury is the favourite, Joshua may have the assets to beat Fury, but he'snot displayed them.

You must be getting Wlad confused with someone else. He has no upper body movement.

People need to stop with this 'he's never seen...before' nonsense. Let me spin it around. Fury has shown nothing to suggest he can keep Joshua at range. For Fury to win the fight he is going to have to avoid Joshua's power for 12 rounds. Think about how ridiculous that sounds for someone like Fury. And no, the Wlad fight doesn't tell us that he is capable of it.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: How do you know that? We've never seen how he handles someone keeping him at range, never seen him get hit and hit and hit. Wlad's upper body movement is far superior, and he's had more experience fighting bigger people. That's why Fury is the favourite, Joshua may have the assets to beat Fury, but he'snot displayed them.

You must be getting Wlad confused with someone else. He has no upper body movement.

People need to stop with this 'he's never seen...before' nonsense. Let me spin it around. Fury has shown nothing to suggest he can keep Joshua at range. For Fury to win the fight he is going to have to avoid Joshua's power for 12 rounds. Think about how ridiculous that sounds for someone like Fury. And no, the Wlad fight doesn't tell us that he is capable of it.

He's shown he can keep a more aggressive fighter at range, and someone the same size as Joshua. That's far closer than what Joshua has come to show he get in range of Fury.

Also here is some of his upper body movement, it's subtle but it's there, less stiff than Joshua.
http://gfycat.com/NaiveBlaringIcefish

Anyway what you're saying is Joshua has never fought someone as big as Fury, or who moves as well as Fury, or can switch like Fury, has shown vunerability to bod shit against Whyte (which Fury also uses), never fought someone as erratic as Fury, never fought someone who can feint and jab like Fury, but he can probably overcome ll that. Fury has fought someone the same size as Joshua (wlad), more aggressive (Chisora), more skilled (Cunningham), but the idea he could beat someone with that exact combo is silly.

Another example.
http://gfycat.com/WealthyClassicDrake

It makes me laugh to watch Fury try his poor imitation of Ali. Joshua can absolutely beat Fury, and according to Fury, did beat the crap out of him in sparring. Fury, would lose to Wilder, Ortiz, and Joshua in my opinion. His chin isn't great, and does not have enough power to stop any one of the three.

Close fight as you've got to respect Joshua's punching power.
I'd personally favour Fury to bamboozle him over 12 rounds.
It would be a lot closer of a fight in 18 months time.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: How do you know that? We've never seen how he handles someone keeping him at range, never seen him get hit and hit and hit. Wlad's upper body movement is far superior, and he's had more experience fighting bigger people. That's why Fury is the favourite, Joshua may have the assets to beat Fury, but he'snot displayed them.

You must be getting Wlad confused with someone else. He has no upper body movement.

People need to stop with this 'he's never seen...before' nonsense. Let me spin it around. Fury has shown nothing to suggest he can keep Joshua at range. For Fury to win the fight he is going to have to avoid Joshua's power for 12 rounds. Think about how ridiculous that sounds for someone like Fury. And no, the Wlad fight doesn't tell us that he is capable of it.

the wlad worship around here is hysterical. The wlad pre Brewster stops fury inside 3 rounds. Amazing that fury is a gifted boxer after the worst fight I've ever seen.

BitPlayer wrote:

Supremo wrote:Fury would outsmart him just now but in a year or two once Joshua has more experience then it would probably be different as his athletcism is miles superior to Fury's and Fury has glaring deficiencies which are being overlooked because he scrambled his way to the title.

No it isn't, Fury has shown he can fight for far longer

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Because he will, easily.fury has size and balls, that's enough to upset wlad. Joshua will not passively sit by for that subpar 'boxing'. I like Tyson, but he lacks rudimentary skills, just caught the pussy at the right time and place.

How do you know that? We've never seen how he handles someone keeping him at range, never seen him get hit and hit and hit. Wlad's upper body movement is far superior, and he's had more experience fighting bigger people. That's why Fury is the favourite, Joshua may have the assets to beat Fury, but he'snot displayed them.

Keeping him at range? Lmao, it's sports. I know what I think I know. I don't see a single thing fury does to trouble Joshua. I've been wrong before, seldomly on a fight I give a guy zero chance. Joshua is a 20/1 fav over fury IMO.

Supremo wrote:As Atheletes they are incomparable. AJ is far quicker, far stronger and far more powerful. Fury has shown he can fight for 12 rounds but he doesn't fit anywhere near the intensity of AJ. AJ'd natural reflexes and reactions are also far superior.

However, Fury has far superior ring smarts and experience which is a massive factor. But fury is far from a great fighter- neither is AJ but he had the potential to be shaped into one.

I agree with most of your post, but I don't think AJ is any faster of hand than Fury and he has slower feet. For me Fury should be a slight favourite at this stage, but given AJ's power and Fury's chin, its no more than a 60:40 fight.

It would be a great fight Fury vs. Joshua vs. Wilder..

However...

Joshua is 16-0 with 16 knockouts. So he is still relatively young in pro boxing. Fury has proven to go the distance. Even though I think Fury caught the tail end of Klitschko. Fury still went 12 rounds and out boxed him in a championship fight. Joshua is still relatively untested.

So I'd rank at this point..

Fury - Wilder tied

Joshua 2nd

Wlad I think has dropped due to age...

Fury needs to beat WKlit again first, and that "pussy" would not be coming back for a rematch in England if he wasn't planning on making an example out of the dude who took his belts.

I think that Fury can win again but it is no foregone conclusion. I also think that AJ is destined to defeat either of them but (again) neither would be a sure win at this point.

Btw, did anyone else notice that cvnty the self proclaimed genius of Current Scene is nowhere to be found to defend his own thread?

I was referring to his style, and yes, pussy is a poor description. He never ducked anyone no matter how terrified he was of being hit.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I was referring to his style, and yes, pussy is a poor description. He never ducked anyone no matter how terrified he was of being hit.

I get it. I don't blame you for your frustration. The entire planet has suffered the HW situation for more than a decade.

overrated, robotic, joshua does not beat fury.

fury boxes circles round joshua and peppers him with shots all night long in a one sided boxing lesson.

be no early KO's for joshua in a fury fight, and tyson would be fighting in a way that joshua wouldln't be able to time him or work out what he is going to do next and we may even see some hands behind the back taunting as fury would understand that you can't hit what you can't see and joshuas big right hand woudldn't find fury's chin

joshua is overrated massively and fury and people in the know are aware of this

jezzamundo wrote:

Supremo wrote:As Atheletes they are incomparable. AJ is far quicker, far stronger and far more powerful. Fury has shown he can fight for 12 rounds but he doesn't fit anywhere near the intensity of AJ. AJ'd natural reflexes and reactions are also far superior.

However, Fury has far superior ring smarts and experience which is a massive factor. But fury is far from a great fighter- neither is AJ but he had the potential to be shaped into one.

I agree with most of your post, but I don't think AJ is any faster of hand than Fury and he has slower feet. For me Fury should be a slight favourite at this stage, but given AJ's power and Fury's chin, its no more than a 60:40 fight.

I agree on the speed...some people really give AJ too much credit in that respect.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Keeping him at range? Lmao, it's sports. I know what I think I know. I don't see a single thing fury does to trouble Joshua. I've been wrong before, seldomly on a fight I give a guy zero chance. Joshua is a 20/1 fav over fury IMO.

I have to say Saad, you're a poster I seldom find myself disagreeing with but I can't see where you're coming from here.

I'd favour Fury right now but would not be shocked if Joshua beat him (and of course if he beat him it would likely be by KO and would look like there was a huge gulf between the 2)

But there is no way I'd have AJ a massive favourite and I cannot understand anyone reasoning that Fury would have 0 chance in that bout.

Joshua has talent and devastating power. But I can see things missing from his game and he knows himself he has things to learn
He's fought no one and has proven nothing so far other than he is a lot better than a bunch of domestic level fighters.

Fury has shown at the top level he can be a very difficult fighter to hit and equally difficult to beat.
And in particular, the style and tactics he deployed i the Wlad fight, I think would be a nightmare for Joshua to overcome.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Because he will, easily.fury has size and balls, that's enough to upset wlad. Joshua will not passively sit by for that subpar 'boxing'. I like Tyson, but he lacks rudimentary skills, just caught the pussy at the right time and place.

and this is the way I see it too

davie wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Keeping him at range? Lmao, it's sports. I know what I think I know. I don't see a single thing fury does to trouble Joshua. I've been wrong before, seldomly on a fight I give a guy zero chance. Joshua is a 20/1 fav over fury IMO.

I have to say Saad, you're a poster I seldom find myself disagreeing with but I can't see where you're coming from here.

I'd favour Fury right now but would not be shocked if Joshua beat him (and of course if he beat him it would likely be by KO and would look like there was a huge gulf between the 2)

But there is no way I'd have AJ a massive favourite and I cannot understand anyone reasoning that Fury would have 0 chance in that bout.

Joshua has talent and devastating power. But I can see things missing from his game and he knows himself he has things to learn
He's fought no one and has proven nothing so far other than he is a lot better than a bunch of domestic level fighters.

Fury has shown at the top level he can be a very difficult fighter to hit and equally difficult to beat.
And in particular, the style and tactics he deployed i the Wlad fight, I think would be a nightmare for Joshua to overcome.

I've never seen a fight where fury was hard to hit. He does use his size well. That and heart are his main attributes.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: I've never seen a fight where fury was hard to hit. He does use his size well. That and heart are his main attributes.

Exactly. This idea of Fury as defensive master is hilarious. Apparently all he had to do to become Willie Pep was fight the murderer's row of Christian Hammer, joey Abell and a shop worn Chisora since he got decked by Cunningham. And the acid test to prove his mission to defensive wizardry was complete, was against a guy who threw no punches

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

davie wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Keeping him at range? Lmao, it's sports. I know what I think I know. I don't see a single thing fury does to trouble Joshua. I've been wrong before, seldomly on a fight I give a guy zero chance. Joshua is a 20/1 fav over fury IMO.

I have to say Saad, you're a poster I seldom find myself disagreeing with but I can't see where you're coming from here.

I'd favour Fury right now but would not be shocked if Joshua beat him (and of course if he beat him it would likely be by KO and would look like there was a huge gulf between the 2)

But there is no way I'd have AJ a massive favourite and I cannot understand anyone reasoning that Fury would have 0 chance in that bout.

Joshua has talent and devastating power. But I can see things missing from his game and he knows himself he has things to learn
He's fought no one and has proven nothing so far other than he is a lot better than a bunch of domestic level fighters.

Fury has shown at the top level he can be a very difficult fighter to hit and equally difficult to beat.
And in particular, the style and tactics he deployed i the Wlad fight, I think would be a nightmare for Joshua to overcome.

I've never seen a fight where fury was hard to hit. He does use his size well. That and heart are his main attributes.

I'm with ya on this Saad

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I've never seen a fight where fury was hard to hit. He does use his size well. That and heart are his main attributes.

So did his last 3 opponents just throw their fights? Maybe he's just really lucky, it's weird he's easy to hit yet they can't do it. Wlad himself said the reason Fury one is because he was hard to hit. But I'm sue you know more than he does.

BitPlayer wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I've never seen a fight where fury was hard to hit. He does use his size well. That and heart are his main attributes.

So did his last 3 opponents just throw their fights? Maybe he's just really lucky, it's weird he's easy to hit yet they can't do it. Wlad himself said the reason Fury one is because he was hard to hit. But I'm sue you know more than he does.

I think you need to understand who his last three opponents were and what they did in the fights.

BitPlayer wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I've never seen a fight where fury was hard to hit. He does use his size well. That and heart are his main attributes.

So did his last 3 opponents just throw their fights? Maybe he's just really lucky, it's weird he's easy to hit yet they can't do it. Wlad himself said the reason Fury one is because he was hard to hit. But I'm sue you know more than he does.

Yes, I'm sure I do.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
I've never seen a fight where fury was hard to hit.

Didn't catch the Klitschko bout then?


I find Fury has been hittable and prone to errors and lack of concentration in fights where he lacks focus and motivation.
He makes mistakes where he is confident he can get away with it.
Everyone quotes the Cunnigham knock down but on the occasions he's found himself on the seat of his pants, he usually knuckles down immediately after and gets the job done.
The ability is there, I think he just needs the kick up the backside sometimes to bring the best out of him.

In the Klitschko fight he knew the magnitude of the occasion so didn't need reminded he would need to be at his best, I'm willing to bet the Haye fight would have seen a similarly focus and motivated Fury. And if he gets into the ring with Joshua, we'll see the best Fury, not the guy who half turned up against the likes of Cunningham.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He does use his size well. That and heart are his main attributes.

Attributes I think will serve him well on the occasion Joshua does tag him.

but his height, reach and evasive movement, as well as the right game plan, will go a long way to help him not get tagged particularly often in this one, if it were to happen.

Sure did, he was wide open. His opponent didn't throw punches. A 50 yr old holyfield would have landed at will. You'll see.Joshua won't just stand there and look at him. Early ko.

I'm done, no mater how much I back up what I'm saying you guys are ust going to keep going "Nuh-uh" no tactical insights, nothing to back it up. I like talking with people I disagree with but you guys are tedious. I don't think I know it all, but atleast I put in a little effort to make my case, I cited specific fights, used gifs. Even looking at footage of something happening (Wlad's body mvement) you still denied it. Just a pointless nonargument.