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ocrumley wrote:

Evander wrote:Come fight him out here then and stop hiding domestically with relatively soft punching ranked fighters at home.
Bankrolling the local scene is ok but you don't buy P4P juice off of that, what sells in the UK doesn't necessarily sell out here.

Carl hasn't been hiding domestically his last opponents;

Quigg; (English) it was a unification no matter what you want to say about how Quigg acquired the belt, Carl still had to win it. A massive appeal over here with clear American interest.

You're right, Quigg was acceptable and it generated interest out here, Frampton is a very smart fighter.
The anticipation of them throwing a punch at one another was compelling but they didn't light it up, the purest in me admires their skills but it was stand offish to say the least.

ocrumley wrote:It seems like America beckons for 'The Jackal' once again following his I don't care what one judge thought, comprehensive victory over domestic rival Scott Quigg. I can see this fight being the polar opposite of the Quigg fight as LSC will not sit back and allow Carl to move around him put apply constant pressure with his insanely high punch output. This although it makes for an exciting fight I believe it will be his downfall against the Belfast star as this high punch rate leads to a lot of waste which in my opinion will leave him open to be stopped in the later rounds by Carl who will pick up his first world title at featherweight.

I am just interested to hear everyone's opinion on this fight touted for late July!

Frampton is very overrated. He will get eaten up in this one. Not even close.

good fight, and i'd say for me lsc wins

ocrumley wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:Santa Cruz is beatable. Frampton is capable.

Yes, he is beatable but not by Frampton.

And why not?

Because LSC is on a different level. Frampton is a Euro level fighter who crossed the ocean only once to fight a journeyman.

ikorolev wrote:

ocrumley wrote:

ikorolev wrote:
Yes, he is beatable but not by Frampton.

And why not?

Because LSC is on a different level. Frampton is a Euro level fighter who crossed the ocean only once to fight a journeyman.

journeyman ?

ikorolev wrote:

ocrumley wrote:

ikorolev wrote:
Yes, he is beatable but not by Frampton.

And why not?

Because LSC is on a different level. Frampton is a Euro level fighter who crossed the ocean only once to fight a journeyman.

Crossing the ocean doesn't mean what it once did we are the pillars of boxing over here now not America and that's at both pro and amateur ranks!

ikorolev wrote:

ocrumley wrote:

ikorolev wrote:
Yes, he is beatable but not by Frampton.

And why not?

Because LSC is on a different level. Frampton is a Euro level fighter who crossed the ocean only once to fight a journeyman.

''Euro level fighter''??? Give it a rest man no way you can have a decent knowledge of boxing and think it

Evander wrote:

ocrumley wrote:

Evander wrote:Come fight him out here then and stop hiding domestically with relatively soft punching ranked fighters at home.
Bankrolling the local scene is ok but you don't buy P4P juice off of that, what sells in the UK doesn't necessarily sell out here.

Carl hasn't been hiding domestically his last opponents;

Quigg; (English) it was a unification no matter what you want to say about how Quigg acquired the belt, Carl still had to win it. A massive appeal over here with clear American interest.

You're right, Quigg was acceptable and it generated interest out here, Frampton is a very smart fighter.
The anticipation of them throwing a punch at one another was compelling but they didn't light it up, the purest in me admires their skills but it was stand offish to say the least.

I have to agree that the fight did not have the toe to toe action that the Sky TV propaganda promised in order to sell to the casuals. The fight in reality was never going to catch fire as it would have been horrendous tactically for Carl to stand and trade with Scott and play into the Manchester mans only way of winning the fight! He was always going to utilise his vastly superior boxing skills to box and move gaining a points win in a fine performance in my eyes.

As for Quigg not throwing a punch for six rounds I don't know what to say?? He had to apply pressure and constantly storm down Frampton in order to land that punch that would change the fight in his favour. I would seriously question the tactics that Joe Gallagher imposed for his fighter and would in fact question Joe Gallagher as a trainer as none of his fighters have prevailed against a legitimate top ten opponent, he has two world champions neither have fought a legitimate world contender or champion. When any of them have they have lost comprehensively; Cardle robbed a draw recently against Dodd, Stephen Smith, Paul Smith all lost big fights even Crolla against Derry!

littlepug wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

ocrumley wrote:
And why not?

Because LSC is on a different level. Frampton is a Euro level fighter who crossed the ocean only once to fight a journeyman.

journeyman ?

Yep, Gonzalez Jr is a journeyman at least level wise.

ocrumley wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

ocrumley wrote:
And why not?

Because LSC is on a different level. Frampton is a Euro level fighter who crossed the ocean only once to fight a journeyman.

''Euro level fighter''??? Give it a rest man no way you can have a decent knowledge of boxing and think it

If not, why has he been avoiding Rigo so desperately ?

ikorolev wrote:

ocrumley wrote:

ikorolev wrote: Because LSC is on a different level. Frampton is a Euro level fighter who crossed the ocean only once to fight a journeyman.

''Euro level fighter''??? Give it a rest man no way you can have a decent knowledge of boxing and think it

If not, why has he been avoiding Rigo so desperately ?

So has everyone including LSC who jumped up a division to get away from him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQNZtqsULdc

Saturday 30th July in New York.
This should be good.

Might be on my own here .. this looks like a well matched even bout on the face of it.

ikorolev wrote:

ocrumley wrote:

ikorolev wrote:
Yes, he is beatable but not by Frampton.

And why not?

Because LSC is on a different level. Frampton is a Euro level fighter who crossed the ocean only once to fight a journeyman.

Wow ikorolev for once i agree with you, nice to finally see you calling it like it is.

Santa Cruz will crush Frampton.

ikorolev wrote:

ocrumley wrote:

ikorolev wrote: Because LSC is on a different level. Frampton is a Euro level fighter who crossed the ocean only once to fight a journeyman.

''Euro level fighter''??? Give it a rest man no way you can have a decent knowledge of boxing and think it

If not, why has he been avoiding Rigo so desperately ?

Rigo doesn't bring the $$$. I guarantee that if Rigondeaux was a big payday Frampton would queue to fight him. In risk vs reward terms -- which drives boxing theses days -- Rigondeaux sucks balls.

Frampton in a tight one for me although I'm not confident. Frampton is an excellent counter puncher.If LSC comes in square on and throwing hell for leather he'll be made to pay. On the other hand Frampton can be backed up and doesn't seem to like it rough. Real mix of styles and a good fight to look forward to.

Stuarty30 wrote:Frampton in a tight one for me although I'm not confident. Frampton is an excellent counter puncher.If LSC comes in square on and throwing hell for leather he'll be made to pay. On the other hand Frampton can be backed up and doesn't seem to like it rough. Real mix of styles and a good fight to look forward to.

I agree with everything but your pick. I lean toward LSC by SD.

Great matchup. Along with Wilder v Povetkin and Hitman Jr v Postol, a ton of critics are being silenced.

Tanzio wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:Frampton in a tight one for me although I'm not confident. Frampton is an excellent counter puncher.If LSC comes in square on and throwing hell for leather he'll be made to pay. On the other hand Frampton can be backed up and doesn't seem to like it rough. Real mix of styles and a good fight to look forward to.

I agree with everything but your pick. I lean toward LSC by SD.

Great matchup. Along with Wilder v Povetkin and Hitman Jr v Postol, a ton of critics are being silenced.

Yeah really looking forward to all they fights mate. Especially Povetkin v Wilder. I've changed my mind a good few times on the outcome of that already. I thought Povetkin was a stick on but doubt keeps creeping in mainly due to Wilders size and unorthodox style. If Wilder catches him he won't let him off the hook.

Stuarty30 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:Frampton in a tight one for me although I'm not confident. Frampton is an excellent counter puncher.If LSC comes in square on and throwing hell for leather he'll be made to pay. On the other hand Frampton can be backed up and doesn't seem to like it rough. Real mix of styles and a good fight to look forward to.

I agree with everything but your pick. I lean toward LSC by SD.

Great matchup. Along with Wilder v Povetkin and Hitman Jr v Postol, a ton of critics are being silenced.

Yeah really looking forward to all they fights mate. Especially Povetkin v Wilder. I've changed my mind a good few times on the outcome of that already. I thought Povetkin was a stick on but doubt keeps creeping in mainly due to Wilders size and unorthodox style. If Wilder catches him he won't let him off the hook.

I'm still leaning towards Povetkin but I really think that it can go either way at any moment. I doubt very much that it goes the distance and my mind keeps going back to Wilder's blue heron legs.

ocrumley wrote:It seems like America beckons for 'The Jackal' once again following his I don't care what one judge thought, comprehensive victory over domestic rival Scott Quigg. I can see this fight being the polar opposite of the Quigg fight as LSC will not sit back and allow Carl to move around him put apply constant pressure with his insanely high punch output. This although it makes for an exciting fight I believe it will be his downfall against the Belfast star as this high punch rate leads to a lot of waste which in my opinion will leave him open to be stopped in the later rounds by Carl who will pick up his first world title at featherweight.

I am just interested to hear everyone's opinion on this fight touted for late July!

I HATE the fight... It's a cherry-pick for Santa Cruz who ducked Lomachenko all the time they were both at featherweight. They both fought as featherweights on the same card over a year ago. They both fought super easy opponents and should have been fighting each other. Santa Cruz is also ducking Gary Russell who would knock him out quickly. He's the biggest ducker in the sport.

Kalan wrote:

ocrumley wrote:It seems like America beckons for 'The Jackal' once again following his I don't care what one judge thought, comprehensive victory over domestic rival Scott Quigg. I can see this fight being the polar opposite of the Quigg fight as LSC will not sit back and allow Carl to move around him put apply constant pressure with his insanely high punch output. This although it makes for an exciting fight I believe it will be his downfall against the Belfast star as this high punch rate leads to a lot of waste which in my opinion will leave him open to be stopped in the later rounds by Carl who will pick up his first world title at featherweight.

I am just interested to hear everyone's opinion on this fight touted for late July!

I HATE the fight... It's a cherry-pick for Santa Cruz who ducked Lomachenko all the time they were both at featherweight. They both fought as featherweights on the same card over a year ago. They both fought super easy opponents and should have been fighting each other. Santa Cruz is also ducking Gary Russell who would knock him out quickly. He's the biggest ducker in the sport.

Santa Cruz vs Frampton is damn sure not a cherry pick. It'll be the best opponent Santa Cruz has ever faced.

Awesome fight and great venue at the Barclays center. I'm a big Carl Frampton fan and I was really impressed with his win over Quigg. I also think Carl is a very underrated puncher.

That said, really close fight. I think Santa Cruz has some physical advantages over Carl, but I think generally speaking Carl has the higher Ring IQ.

Look for Santa Cruz to win some close early rounds, but by round 4 or 5 I think Carl will make an adjustment and win a close, competitive fight.

LSC would win this one I believe.

Probably bully Frampton around the ring and win it fairly comfortably IMO.

gilgamesh wrote: Santa Cruz vs Frampton is damn sure not a cherry pick. It'll be the best opponent Santa Cruz has ever faced.

It's a damned cherry pick... Mares was better but still a cherry pick because he was knocked out in one round by Jhonny Gonzalez... Santa Cruz has been ducking the other World Champions at FEATHERWEIGHT: Lomachenko and Russell for over a year... He's fighting a Super Bantamweight who is ducking Rigondeaux... They're cherry picks for each other.

ikorolev wrote:

ocrumley wrote:

ikorolev wrote: Because LSC is on a different level. Frampton is a Euro level fighter who crossed the ocean only once to fight a journeyman.

''Euro level fighter''??? Give it a rest man no way you can have a decent knowledge of boxing and think it

If not, why has he been avoiding Rigo so desperately ?

Kalan wrote:

gilgamesh wrote: Santa Cruz vs Frampton is damn sure not a cherry pick. It'll be the best opponent Santa Cruz has ever faced.

It's a damned cherry pick... Mares was better but still a cherry pick because he was knocked out in one round by Jhonny Gonzalez... Santa Cruz has been ducking the other World Champions at FEATHERWEIGHT: Lomachenko and Russell for over a year... He's fighting a Super Bantamweight who is ducking Rigondeaux... They're cherry picks for each other.

Wow!!! Cheery picking? Euro Level? Fighting journeymen? duckers??????????? Classic. Man this site tickles me at times.