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ikorolev wrote:

lefty wrote:

digzee wrote:Cotto ducked Brook for a reason and people on this forum will see why if this fight happens next.

Why would Cotto wanna fight Brook? What would he gain from it? He's not getting back down to 147 to challenge for the belt so it seems a pretty pointless fight for him in regards to risk to reward.

Brook would fight Cotto at any weight. He is even barking at Golovkin.

That's because Brook has nowhere to go right now because the Khan fight isnt there. Still, there's nothing for Cotto to gain fighting Brook at any weight barring 147 where there would be a belt on the line. He'd be better off fighting Liam Smith.

crusader wrote:

lefty wrote:

crusader wrote:Spence was the arguably the best amateur P4P in the US for a while and was only a win away from medals at the Olympics and World Championships. That's pretty solid (Porter, Thurman, and Garcia didn't even make the Olympic team) and there are many top pros who didn't have better amateur careers than Spence.

He also seems to have a style that is better suited to the pros.

To be fair though and I could be wrong so do correct me if so- didn't Thurman lose out to Demetrius Andrade in regards to his place? Theres no real shame in that if so.

Thurman lost twice to Andrade in the Olympic trials, but even so he never really did anything to suggest that he was a standout amateur on the international stage.

First off, it's clear that after comparing their respective amateur records that Spence was the more accomplished amateur. That said however, Spence's career on the international stage also wasn't overly impressive either. Thuman was a bronze medallist twice at the US Nationals versus Spence winning the golden gloves once and winning a silver and winning the US nationals twice. He also won the olympic qualifiers and got to the world championships quarter finals once.

However he also failed quite a lot at the same time on the international scene. He also went to the world championships in 2009 and lost in his first fight by a wide margin. Looking at who he fought in the US nationals and the olympic qualifiers- Eduardo Alicea and Bryant Perrella and Amir Iman, in fairness, would you say they were better amateurs than Boyd Melson who defeated Thurman at the US nationals but also got to the quarter finals of the 2005 world amateur championships or Charles Hatley who was the 2007 US national champion and then finally Andrade who was a 2- time US national champion and a two time golden gloves winner and won gold at the world amateur championships? So in summary, there's no denying that Spence was a more accomplished amateur than Thurman but I also think that he fought weaker competition in his most important fights on the national level.

Spence will end Kells reign with a easy un dec.

lefty wrote:

digzee wrote:Cotto ducked Brook for a reason and people on this forum will see why if this fight happens next.

Why would Cotto wanna fight Brook? What would he gain from it? He's not getting back down to 147 to challenge for the belt so it seems a pretty pointless fight for him in regards to risk to reward.

He should of fought Brook because HBO didn't give him any other option, they rejected all the fringe contenders he wanted to fight. Brook would fight him at 154 and Cotto would get a nice PPV payday, instead he's got no fight and is going to wait another 6 months and at his age time is not on his side.

Going by your logic Brook shouldn't fight Spence because its not worth the risk/reward....

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Spence will end Kells reign with a easy un dec.

I don't think it will be easy at all. We still don't know how good Spence's chin is. It better be durable because if it's not, he is getting laid out.

digzee wrote:

lefty wrote:

digzee wrote:Cotto ducked Brook for a reason and people on this forum will see why if this fight happens next.

Why would Cotto wanna fight Brook? What would he gain from it? He's not getting back down to 147 to challenge for the belt so it seems a pretty pointless fight for him in regards to risk to reward.

He should of fought Brook because HBO didn't give him any other option, they rejected all the fringe contenders he wanted to fight. Brook would fight him at 154 and Cotto would get a nice PPV payday, instead he's got no fight and is going to wait another 6 months and at his age time is not on his side.

Going by your logic Brook shouldn't fight Spence because its not worth the risk/reward....

HBO had no space for June, had to be a ppv. Shit is getting really out of hand with the ducking around here. Next ggg will be avoiding donaire.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

digzee wrote:

lefty wrote: Why would Cotto wanna fight Brook? What would he gain from it? He's not getting back down to 147 to challenge for the belt so it seems a pretty pointless fight for him in regards to risk to reward.

He should of fought Brook because HBO didn't give him any other option, they rejected all the fringe contenders he wanted to fight. Brook would fight him at 154 and Cotto would get a nice PPV payday, instead he's got no fight and is going to wait another 6 months and at his age time is not on his side.

Going by your logic Brook shouldn't fight Spence because its not worth the risk/reward....

HBO had no space for June, had to be a ppv. poo is getting really out of hand with the ducking around here. Next ggg will be avoiding donaire.

HBO wanted Brook-Cotto for June but Cotto didn't he wanted fornicating Rosado, Kirkland or Chavez. So they did give him a PPV option, Peter Nelson from HBO said he would love that fight...

digzee wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

digzee wrote: He should of fought Brook because HBO didn't give him any other option, they rejected all the fringe contenders he wanted to fight. Brook would fight him at 154 and Cotto would get a nice PPV payday, instead he's got no fight and is going to wait another 6 months and at his age time is not on his side.

Going by your logic Brook shouldn't fight Spence because its not worth the risk/reward....

HBO had no space for June, had to be a ppv. poo is getting really out of hand with the ducking around here. Next ggg will be avoiding donaire.

HBO wanted Brook-Cotto for June but Cotto didn't he wanted effing Rosado, Kirkland or Chavez. So they did give him a PPV option, Peter Nelson from HBO said he would love that fight...

It was always going to be a ppv.

June 4: Vargas vs Salido
June 11: Martinez vs Lomachenko

but the remaining of June seems to be open. Maybe they are holding it for Ward and Kovalev warm-ups ? Anyway, I don't see why they couldn't have Cotto vs Brook on the same day as one of the above fights.

ikorolev wrote:June 4: Vargas vs Salido
June 11: Martinez vs Lomachenko

but the remaining of June seems to be open. Maybe they are holding it for Ward and Kovalev warm-ups ? Anyway, I don't see why they couldn't have Cotto vs Brook on the same day as one of the above fights.

Their budget has been drastically cut, same reason Crawford is going ppv. They were not going to pay for cotto vs anyone in June.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ikorolev wrote:June 4: Vargas vs Salido
June 11: Martinez vs Lomachenko

but the remaining of June seems to be open. Maybe they are holding it for Ward and Kovalev warm-ups ? Anyway, I don't see why they couldn't have Cotto vs Brook on the same day as one of the above fights.

Their budget has been drastically cut, same reason Crawford is going ppv. They were not going to pay for cotto vs anyone in June.

Cotto vs Brook would be a decent PPV. There was no need for HBO to pay for it.

ikorolev wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ikorolev wrote:June 4: Vargas vs Salido
June 11: Martinez vs Lomachenko

but the remaining of June seems to be open. Maybe they are holding it for Ward and Kovalev warm-ups ? Anyway, I don't see why they couldn't have Cotto vs Brook on the same day as one of the above fights.

Their budget has been drastically cut, same reason Crawford is going ppv. They were not going to pay for cotto vs anyone in June.

Cotto vs Brook would be a decent PPV. There was no need for HBO to pay for it.

crusader wrote:Pac didn't struggle with Algieri at all.

By comparison to Spence he did, Spence got him out in 5, Manny hit dude with everything but the kitchen sink and still he was there to the end, so I say by comparison that is a struggle.

Khan was on his bike most of the fight and never hurt Algieri

$$Money$$ wrote:

crusader wrote:Pac didn't struggle with Algieri at all.

By comparison to Spence he did, Spence got him out in 5, Manny hit dude with everything but the kitchen sink and still he was there to the end, so I say by comparison that is a struggle.

Khan was on his bike most of the fight and never hurt Algieri

Doesn't mean much as many are making it out to be.

Bradley stopped Rios when Pacquiao couldn't
Pacquiao couldn't get Margarito out of there but Mosley did.

Pacquiao beat them both.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Their budget has been drastically cut, same reason Crawford is going ppv. They were not going to pay for cotto vs anyone in June.

Cotto vs Brook would be a decent PPV. There was no need for HBO to pay for it.

You don't think that they would sell 300k at $60 ?

ikorolev wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ikorolev wrote: Cotto vs Brook would be a decent PPV. There was no need for HBO to pay for it.

You don't think that they would sell 300k at $60 ?

I don't think there was a singular discussion about that fight taking place. Too many fans follow blogs like gospel.

IKSRTFO wrote:

$$Money$$ wrote:

crusader wrote:Pac didn't struggle with Algieri at all.

By comparison to Spence he did, Spence got him out in 5, Manny hit dude with everything but the kitchen sink and still he was there to the end, so I say by comparison that is a struggle.

Khan was on his bike most of the fight and never hurt Algieri

Doesn't mean much as many are making it out to be.

Bradley stopped Rios when Pacquiao couldn't
Pacquiao couldn't get Margarito out of there but Mosley did.

Pacquiao beat them both.

It was a simple comparison, it didn't mean much, just an observation.

Baby Face Finster wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Spence will end Kells reign with a easy un dec.

I don't think it will be easy at all. We still don't know how good Spence's chin is. It better be durable because if it's not, he is getting laid out.

That's your opinion but I see a different picture and it will be easy and his chin will be fine and he won't need to be durable in this fight because he will dominate poor Kell and take that title away in Brooks 1st serious defence no more pretending

$$Money$$ wrote:Spence is the best and beats any WW that is active in the sport right now.

He easily dominated Algieri, Pac struggled with CA and though he knocked him down several times he was unable to finish him.

Spence made that fight look easy.

Khan was running from CA and couldn't get him out of there, this only shows how good Spence really is.

Or how shot to shit CA now is....

I don't think you can draw a line through the form quite like you have done.

LMAO...what would EVER make you think that Brook would take this fight? Are you for real? Brook will throw that belt in the trash before climbing through the ring ropes to fight this guy. Brook has yapped about fighting everyone under the sun since winning the title in a hug fest against Porter and just look at who he's actually fight instead...Kevin Bizier, Frankie Gavin and Ionut Dan Ion. You think he's going to sign on to fight this monster. No shot no way. Just another pussy Brit.

$$Money$$ wrote:

crusader wrote:Pac didn't struggle with Algieri at all.

By comparison to Spence he did, Spence got him out in 5, Manny hit dude with everything but the kitchen sink and still he was there to the end, so I say by comparison that is a struggle.

Khan was on his bike most of the fight and never hurt Algieri

Utterly dominating someone, winning every round and knocking him down several times is not a struggle, by any feasible definition, regardless what you compare it against.

Spence is a diffent type of fighter, with different strengths and weaknesses, who approached the fight in a different manner.

Algieri is a solid contender, nothing more and he got spanked by either man. Using him as a yardstick to compare 2 elite level talents is meaningless and concluding that one beats the other using Algieri as the means for comparison is equally pointless. The difference in the manner they beat him is down to the difference in each mans approach and style nothing more

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

Baby Face Finster wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Spence will end Kells reign with a easy un dec.

I don't think it will be easy at all. We still don't know how good Spence's chin is. It better be durable because if it's not, he is getting laid out.

That's your opinion but I see a different picture and it will be easy and his chin will be fine and he won't need to be durable in this fight because he will dominate poor Kell and take that title away in Brooks 1st serious defence no more pretending

Of course it is, just like yours is also. We will just have to wait and see. You better hope Errol's chin isn't made of china or it's getting cracked.

IBF ordered Spence vs Ponomarev, so Spence is not the mandatory yet:

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/04/ ... -for-brook?

ikorolev wrote:IBF ordered Spence vs Ponomarev, so Spence is not the mandatory yet:

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/04/ ... -for-brook?

WTF. Ponomarev shouldn't be ranked 3rd. Spence should be fighting someone more accomplished for a mandatory position.

Baby Face Finster wrote:

ikorolev wrote:IBF ordered Spence vs Ponomarev, so Spence is not the mandatory yet:

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/04/ ... -for-brook?

WTF. Ponomarev shouldn't be ranked 3rd. Spence should be fighting someone more accomplished for a mandatory position.

Since the IBF gave us the IBF HW title classic that was Glazkov/Martin how on earth is this WTF worthy? I'm surprised it's not Bizier v Algieri.