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Posted: **19 Apr 2016, 05:39**

Boxerbeetle wrote:
davie wrote:
lefty wrote: He'll move up in weight for sure.
Don't think anyone "embarrasses Brook" in the WW division.

I have Kell pretty close to being the best at the weight.
And although I don't think he's unbeatable, he's too good to get embarrassed by any of the others out there.

Spence may be the real deal, but let's see if we gets some evidence of that first.

I've just watched back over Errol's last 4 fights and although he has been impressive, there are mistakes made, that he most certainly won't get away with against the top 5 in the division.
He showed against Van Heerden that he can be more composed and patient and I was very impressed with him that night.

But I'm reluctant to get too excited about the steam roller type performances against the likes of Algieri.
Taking out a guy who went the distance with Khan and Pacquiao has got some people pissing their pants but I've seen him get clipped and fight very open in those type of fights, loading up big punches.
He'll have to learn to be a lot more cautious and work on that defence, if he wants to make the step up to fight a better class of fighter and heavier punchers.

Can he do that? Very possibly but I wouldn't use the Algieri performance as some type of guaranteed yardstick to measure him against the likes of Pacquiao.
He's heavy handed and really went for Algieri, trying to make a statement. Algieri was custom made for him and let's not forget, Algieri took a beating off Manny too.
Brook would be a very different proposition to the types and levels of opponent he's been in with so far.
I just hope Brook (and his camp) share your confidence and take the fight.

As do I.

However Brooks confidence and that of his team will have little bearing on the decision making process as Hearn seeks the easiest route to the biggest paydays

Until Spence becomes a ppv star in America, that is not something he will be thought of, in Hearns view.

Posted: **21 Apr 2016, 08:06**

I'm a believer in Brook.

The question for me is, can he look special against a top fighter - or will he use a mixture of quality punching and spoiling up close to get a close result, as was the case with Porter.

He can remain a champion at welterweight, of that I have little doubt if better challengers are brought in. But can he be a star at welterweight, the division that brought in huge money fights involving Mayweather, Pacquiao, de la Hoya, Trinidad, Leonard, Duran, Hearns? That allowed the likes of Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, Quartey, Don Curry, Simon Brown, Benitez etc a shot at the big money?

It has been frustrating following Brook but people should not overreact. Injuries and the terrible IBF mandatories have held him back from truly showcasing. If Spence looks good, is the leading IBF contender, is scheduled for a final eliminator, and the Yanks like him, then he could well be for Book what Jeff Lacy was to Calzaghe.

I feel that people's cynicism toward the domestic scene does blind them a bit to the inevitable good stuff that we'll get. Not long ago he was "scared" of Devon Alexander, but he went on to beat the guy who ended Alexander's run at the top.

Posted: **21 Apr 2016, 08:13**

Autobarn, the boxrec old guard. Haven't seen you for a while

I would pick Spence but the chin test hasn't been presented yet.

Posted: **21 Apr 2016, 15:39**

Glad to be back! This year has promised a lot and rekindled my interest full time. Though I think my generation of whining has been passed on to these lot.

If Spence is up in the IBF rankings, and is willing to come here, then we'll all get to find out.

Curious how the welters will reestablish themselves as the big money division post "May-Pac". Perhaps aggressive fights between the likes of Brook and Spence will be the key. Fighting a popular Puerto Rican or Mexican never hurt either, and there is one out there in Danny Garcia.

Eddie Hearn has world champs at welter and heavy and I'm pretty sure he'll gun for the biggest money - at the right time.

Posted: **22 Apr 2016, 11:38**

As Spence and Brook stand today I think Brook hammers him. Only basing on the Algeiri fight , haven't checked out any of his others.

Posted: **23 Apr 2016, 03:29**

Too much can happen between the possible fight as hey will fight other opponents first. Obviously Spence will fight this Ponomarev ( is he any good btw noticed he fought on the Pac Bradley 3 card )

Right now I am really undecided. Firstly Brook has not fought a decent southpaw ( well he has only fought a handful of decent opponents) but Spences aggressive style could play into Brooks hands.

The key thing however which we all want to know is who the hell is Brook going to fight next ?
I really hope it is Danny Garcia and I do fancy Brooks chances in that one.

I'm leaving my verdict on this until their next opponents Kells has to be a career defining fight. A combination of bad promotional decisions and injuries means his prime has been wasted.

Posted: **23 Apr 2016, 03:56**

I just want to know who he is fighting next and when. Given AJ is out 25th june, i would point toward the middle of July, i have a feeling thr AJ card will be PPV so will brook be able to get big name over on a non PPV card or will they head to the states and take a risk with garcia

Posted: **23 Apr 2016, 04:02**

nitro5912 wrote:I just want to know who he is fighting next and when. Given AJ is out 25th june, i would point toward the middle of July, i have a feeling thr AJ card will be PPV so will brook be able to get big name over on a non PPV card or will they head to the states and take a risk with garcia

All Joshua fights will be PPV, even if he gets chinned. People reckon Floyd will get Garcia on Sep 17.

Posted: **23 Apr 2016, 04:48**

Exoddus wrote:Brook is already the biggest joke in boxing. Which is a shame because he's clearly very talented. He's almost 30 now and he's had 36 fights. His best and IMO only good opponent is Shawn Porter. I think I had Brook the winner by a single point.

If he indeed dodges Spence and throws away his title, as is the census here. Then that's a disgrace to be honest.

You've gotta love British fight fans. Unbeaten World Champion is the biggest joke in boxing ..............................................

Posted: **23 Apr 2016, 14:42**

brook wont duck no one, but cant see him beating Errol, man is class,errol ticks every box ,brook is made for him,would be a a cracker and would not be a one sided fight

Posted: **23 Apr 2016, 14:44**

Parson Cross wrote:
Exoddus wrote:Brook is already the biggest joke in boxing. Which is a shame because he's clearly very talented. He's almost 30 now and he's had 36 fights. His best and IMO only good opponent is Shawn Porter. I think I had Brook the winner by a single point.

If he indeed dodges Spence and throws away his title, as is the census here. Then that's a disgrace to be honest.
You've gotta love British fight fans. Unbeaten World Champion is the biggest joke in boxing ..............................................

brook went to america and fought porter that weren't an easy option , his belt is real

Posted: **23 Apr 2016, 14:46**

Parson Cross wrote:
Exoddus wrote:Brook is already the biggest joke in boxing. Which is a shame because he's clearly very talented. He's almost 30 now and he's had 36 fights. His best and IMO only good opponent is Shawn Porter. I think I had Brook the winner by a single point.

If he indeed dodges Spence and throws away his title, as is the census here. Then that's a disgrace to be honest.
You've gotta love British fight fans. Unbeaten World Champion is the biggest joke in boxing ..............................................

Maybe, but maybe also brook has dodged fighters in the past. Wouldn't call him a joke but his career hasn't been impressive compared to some other top uk fighters

Posted: **23 Apr 2016, 15:28**

ThereByTheGrace wrote:
Parson Cross wrote:
Exoddus wrote:Brook is already the biggest joke in boxing. Which is a shame because he's clearly very talented. He's almost 30 now and he's had 36 fights. His best and IMO only good opponent is Shawn Porter. I think I had Brook the winner by a single point.

If he indeed dodges Spence and throws away his title, as is the census here. Then that's a disgrace to be honest.
You've gotta love British fight fans. Unbeaten World Champion is the biggest joke in boxing ..............................................

Maybe, but maybe also brook has dodged fighters in the past. Wouldn't call him a joke but his career hasn't been impressive compared to some other top uk fighters

like who , his stabbing didn't help. but he faced Shawn porter in america , who is he ducking Thurman,Garcia? no one is better

Posted: **23 Apr 2016, 15:34**

Brook likes being the IBF champion and Eddie likes the promotion of a world champion and a win over Spence would give Brook more legitimacy and silence a lot of people about his reign as a world champion.

Since beating Porter for the title he's beaten a high level European boxer in Dan Ion, A good British name in Gavin and a dominant defence against Bizier. All in my own opinion fantastic defences that he showed his class in and a credit to him as a boxer but If/when he beat Spence no one could say that he is a world champion who isn't afraid to meet the best the division has to offer and its a challenge he has to meet.

Posted: **23 Apr 2016, 16:19**

northern wrote:Brook likes being the IBF champion and Eddie likes the promotion of a world champion and a win over Spence would give Brook more legitimacy and silence a lot of people about his reign as a world champion.

Since beating Porter for the title he's beaten a high level European boxer in Dan Ion, A good British name in Gavin and a dominant defence against Bizier. All in my own opinion fantastic defences that he showed his class in and a credit to him as a boxer but If/when he beat Spence no one could say that he is a world champion who isn't afraid to meet the best the division has to offer and its a challenge he has to meet.

you're being sarcastic now, why would brook not want a top fight, doubt he has made big money yet . should go and fight Ruslan Provodnikov that fight would bang him in public eye if he wins, then fights the winner of thurman v porter, then garcia, then spence , and who cares if he loses a fight,get up and fight again.win some you lose some

Posted: **24 Apr 2016, 06:48**

Parson Cross wrote:
Exoddus wrote:Brook is already the biggest joke in boxing. Which is a shame because he's clearly very talented. He's almost 30 now and he's had 36 fights. His best and IMO only good opponent is Shawn Porter. I think I had Brook the winner by a single point.

If he indeed dodges Spence and throws away his title, as is the census here. Then that's a disgrace to be honest.
You've gotta love British fight fans. Unbeaten World Champion is the biggest joke in boxing ..............................................

His career has been a joke since the porter fight though.

Posted: **27 Apr 2016, 16:25**

According to Hearn on his latest IFL interview, Spence's team think their man isn't ready for Brook yet.

Posted: **27 Apr 2016, 17:13**

Eddie made it abundantly clear that Brook dont want Spence fight and would only fight if forced to. It is also clear that Spence dont want brook either, not at this point. So most correct answer is that both agree to postpone it I guess.

Posted: **27 Apr 2016, 17:24**

It's a good fight but commercially I think it needs maturing a bit more.

Brook is really looking for a cotto or Thurman type fight next. Obviously if they happen, fair enough - but I can see him going to 154 in 2017, which is about when Spence will be ready for it.

Posted: **29 Apr 2016, 10:53**

It would be magnificent to see Brook in with an opponent who isn't flatlining on the defibralator monitor; that would be something.

Posted: **12 Jun 2016, 06:27**

Parson Cross wrote:
Exoddus wrote:Brook is already the biggest joke in boxing. Which is a shame because he's clearly very talented. He's almost 30 now and he's had 36 fights. His best and IMO only good opponent is Shawn Porter. I think I had Brook the winner by a single point.

If he indeed dodges Spence and throws away his title, as is the census here. Then that's a disgrace to be honest.
You've gotta love British fight fans. Unbeaten World Champion is the biggest joke in boxing ..............................................

Jessie Vargas vs. Kell Brook 3rd of September. Apology accepted mate

Posted: **12 Jun 2016, 08:24**

northern wrote:Brook likes being the IBF champion and Eddie likes the promotion of a world champion and a win over Spence would give Brook more legitimacy and silence a lot of people about his reign as a world champion.

Since beating Porter for the title he's beaten a high level European boxer in Dan Ion, A good British name in Gavin and a dominant defence against Bizier. All in my own opinion fantastic defences that he showed his class in and a credit to him as a boxer but If/when he beat Spence no one could say that he is a world champion who isn't afraid to meet the best the division has to offer and its a challenge he has to meet.

Is that an application to Matchroom for the position of Brook's publacist?

Posted: **18 Jun 2016, 18:08**

yeah it will happen , be a cracker

Posted: **19 Jun 2016, 08:35**

Exoddus wrote:
Parson Cross wrote:
Exoddus wrote:Brook is already the biggest joke in boxing. Which is a shame because he's clearly very talented. He's almost 30 now and he's had 36 fights. His best and IMO only good opponent is Shawn Porter. I think I had Brook the winner by a single point.

If he indeed dodges Spence and throws away his title, as is the census here. Then that's a disgrace to be honest.
You've gotta love British fight fans. Unbeaten World Champion is the biggest joke in boxing ..............................................

Jessie Vargas vs. Kell Brook 3rd of September. Apology accepted mate

Apology for what ?
That his next fight isn't against Spence ?
Spence wanted it - his camp including Mayweather didn't.
So what's your point ?

Posted: **20 Jun 2016, 18:40**

Parson Cross wrote:
Exoddus wrote:
Parson Cross wrote:
You've gotta love British fight fans. Unbeaten World Champion is the biggest joke in boxing ..............................................

Jessie Vargas vs. Kell Brook 3rd of September. Apology accepted mate
Apology for what ?
That his next fight isn't against Spence ?
Spence wanted it - his camp including Mayweather didn't.
So what's your point ?

I'll bump this thread up when Kell Brooks next uninspiring opponent after Vargas is named. Then maybe you'll get the point, then again maybe not

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