IBF Heavyweight - Eliminators

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I'd go Pulev to be last man standing out of the 4.

Doesn't beat Joshua in 2017 though. I see Joshua improving rapidly.

Fury needs to get him quick.

What exactly does Joshua need to do between now and fighting fury to be 'ready' for him?

Knock over someone like pulev or teper in three rounds? Because that's what would happen.

LOL, Joshua would have beaten Fury in place of Wlad with his experience then. Hitting a wide open guy on the chin and watching him fall down is something he has had down pat since his debut.

[actjac]

So its been announced (as I suspected) that the winners of Joseph Parker VS Carlos Takam and Dereck Chisora VS Kubrat Pulev must fight each other to determine who will face AJ before but no later than Jan 2017.

Now in an ideal world (for Matchroom I'd suggest) The winners of the above 2 fights would fight as the Main under card bout to AJ's last bout of 2016. Which I imagine would be around Oct. Setting up the BIG Mandatory IBF title fight for early 2017.

Who does everyone predict to make it out of this mini 4 man elimination series as AJ's Mandatory? And the #1 IBF Challenger? You;d imagine Chisora would be the first choice for Matchroom given his reputation and exposure he's had in the UK market but I think he's in 4th place of the 4. Winner of JP/Takam would be my favourite although Pulev could suprise

please, Please, PLEASE if there is a God in heaven make Chisora go away!.....Damn, why do the Brits keep him propped up?...He should fight David Haye and the loser retires and the winner just fades into the wallpaper.

Certain boxing fans are aware that Haye and Chisora already fought.

But I mean for it to be an eliminator to eliminate both of these two phonies.....The UK has legitimate heavyweights in Fury and Joshua (and even Hughie on the rise) why keep dragging these two back....Throw in an eliminator bracket with David Price and Audley Harrison too....aaarrrggghhh.

[Horse]

But I mean for it to be an eliminator to eliminate both of these two phonies.....The UK has legitimate heavyweights in Fury and Joshua (and even Hughie on the rise) why keep dragging these two back....Throw in an eliminator bracket with David Price and Audley Harrison too....aaarrrggghhh.

They have free will and they choose to keep fighting.

They don't get dragged out of their houses kicking and screaming by a mob of British boxing fans and forced to continue boxing.

What on earth are you moaning about?

[Lackeos]

please, Please, PLEASE if there is a God in heaven make Chisora go away!.....Damn, why do the Brits keep him propped up?...He should fight David Haye and the loser retires and the winner just fades into the wallpaper.

Certain boxing fans are aware that Haye and Chisora already fought.

But I mean for it to be an eliminator to eliminate both of these two phonies.....The UK has legitimate heavyweights in Fury and Joshua (and even Hughie on the rise) why keep dragging these two back....Throw in an eliminator bracket with David Price and Audley Harrison too....aaarrrggghhh.

Dereck Chisora is an extremely proven top 15 heavyweight with wins over Malik Scott, Edmund Gerber, Ondrej Pala, and Kevin Johnson; he also has numerous losses, which tells us exactly where his ceiling is. When someone unproven beats or loses to Chisora, it gives us a ton of information about exactly how good that fighter is, because we have such a wealth of information about exactly where Chisora is. It's very shortsighted of you to want Chisora to retire when his continued presence is making an ongoing contribution to the sport. Furthermore, the fact that you think Haye, Chisora, Price, and Harrison all should retire implies that you basically think England should only have about 2 active heavyweight boxers, which I interpret as meaning that you either hate England or you're the absolute opposite of a boxing fan.

[chinarich]

These eliminator tournaments are just money-spinners for the sanctioning bodies yet the 'winner' never seems to end up challenging for the title...

Always a lot of anti-Chisora comments on this board, he's a decent Euro-level, fringe contender who provides a decent test for any fighter winning some and losing some.

As for the 'tournament' Takam would be my pick to win beating Chisora who will beat Pulev...

[BitPlayer]

please, Please, PLEASE if there is a God in heaven make Chisora go away!.....Damn, why do the Brits keep him propped up?...He should fight David Haye and the loser retires and the winner just fades into the wallpaper.

Certain boxing fans are aware that Haye and Chisora already fought.

But I mean for it to be an eliminator to eliminate both of these two phonies.....The UK has legitimate heavyweights in Fury and Joshua (and even Hughie on the rise) why keep dragging these two back....Throw in an eliminator bracket with David Price and Audley Harrison too....aaarrrggghhh.

The division is shallow enough, the last thing you want is decent fighters retiring, there young enough to have a few more decent fights.

[actjac]

Certain boxing fans are aware that Haye and Chisora already fought.

But I mean for it to be an eliminator to eliminate both of these two phonies.....The UK has legitimate heavyweights in Fury and Joshua (and even Hughie on the rise) why keep dragging these two back....Throw in an eliminator bracket with David Price and Audley Harrison too....aaarrrggghhh.

Dereck Chisora is an extremely proven top 15 heavyweight with wins over Malik Scott, Edmund Gerber, Ondrej Pala, and Kevin Johnson; he also has numerous losses, which tells us exactly where his ceiling is. When someone unproven beats or loses to Chisora, it gives us a ton of information about exactly how good that fighter is, because we have such a wealth of information about exactly where Chisora is. It's very shortsighted of you to want Chisora to retire when his continued presence is making an ongoing contribution to the sport. Furthermore, the fact that you think Haye, Chisora, Price, and Harrison all should retire implies that you basically think England should only have about 2 active heavyweight boxers, which I interpret as meaning that you either hate England or you're the absolute opposite of a boxing fan.

I will throw in American Chris Arreola too!.....recycled non-stars....there are plenty of fresh young names to lead the way into the heavyweight's new post-Klitschko generation.

[northern]

Honestly I wouldn't want Parker to fight Joshua just yet even at the start of 2017, as you can guess I'm favouring him over Takam but they're both young promising heavyweights (Parker & Joshua) and the division has needed this sort of talent coming through for a long time and both of them meeting as world champions in future would be incredible for the sport. Not a Lewis vs Tyson or Ali vs Frazier level event but still a huge event.

from these eliminators I'll be favouring Pulev over Chisora and the winner of that fighting Joshua before the end of 2016. The fight would be better for Joshua and the IBF, Pulev is a good heavyweight so having him or Joshua as champion represents them in the right way and is Joshua meets Chisora it will go the same way as Joshua's fight with Whyte, Joshua's hand raised after a great display and Chisora barely conscious afterwards.

On an unrelated note I'd rather see joseph Parker fighting Lucas Browne next for the WBA world belt if he beats Takam, New Zealand and Australia have that rivalry there, the fight would be huge if it was in Australia, maybe even a sell out crowd in the right arena/stadium and it would definitely be a huge draw in America.

[actjac]

Honestly I wouldn't want Parker to fight Joshua just yet even at the start of 2017, as you can guess I'm favouring him over Takam but they're both young promising heavyweights (Parker & Joshua) and the division has needed this sort of talent coming through for a long time and both of them meeting as world champions in future would be incredible for the sport. Not a Lewis vs Tyson or Ali vs Frazier level event but still a huge event.

from these eliminators I'll be favouring Pulev over Chisora and the winner of that fighting Joshua before the end of 2016. The fight would be better for Joshua and the IBF, Pulev is a good heavyweight so having him or Joshua as champion represents them in the right way and is Joshua meets Chisora it will go the same way as Joshua's fight with Whyte, Joshua's hand raised after a great display and Chisora barely conscious afterwards.

On an unrelated note I'd rather see joseph Parker fighting Lucas Browne next for the WBA world belt if he beats Takam, New Zealand and Australia have that rivalry there, the fight would be huge if it was in Australia, maybe even a sell out crowd in the right arena/stadium and it would definitely be a huge draw in America.

That would be a great match...Then a Tyson Fury vs Anthony Joshua winner versus the winner of Parker vs Browne in a mega match!

[Lackeos]

But I mean for it to be an eliminator to eliminate both of these two phonies.....The UK has legitimate heavyweights in Fury and Joshua (and even Hughie on the rise) why keep dragging these two back....Throw in an eliminator bracket with David Price and Audley Harrison too....aaarrrggghhh.

Dereck Chisora is an extremely proven top 15 heavyweight with wins over Malik Scott, Edmund Gerber, Ondrej Pala, and Kevin Johnson; he also has numerous losses, which tells us exactly where his ceiling is. When someone unproven beats or loses to Chisora, it gives us a ton of information about exactly how good that fighter is, because we have such a wealth of information about exactly where Chisora is. It's very shortsighted of you to want Chisora to retire when his continued presence is making an ongoing contribution to the sport. Furthermore, the fact that you think Haye, Chisora, Price, and Harrison all should retire implies that you basically think England should only have about 2 active heavyweight boxers, which I interpret as meaning that you either hate England or you're the absolute opposite of a boxing fan.

I will throw in American Chris Arreola too!.....recycled non-stars....there are plenty of fresh young names to lead the way into the heavyweight's new post-Klitschko generation.

Well Arreola is different. Ever since Arreola struggled with Curtis Harper and Fred Kassi, he lost his status as a consistent gatekeeper. Now a win or a loss against him... you don't know what it proves.

As far as those fresh young names, what they need is stepping stones to demonstrate how good they are. If Bermane Stiverne hadn't beat Arreola before Wilder beat Stiverne, it would've really made Wilder's accomplishment look flimsy. If Tony Thompson hadn't beaten David Price, then Pulev's win over him wouldn't have seemed very substantial. If Szpilka hadn't beaten Adamek, then Wilder's competitive win over Szpilka would've made Wilder look like trash. You can't just have two theoretically good, unproven fighters clashing for a title; otherwise you would just have undefeated Seth Mitchell vs undefeated David Price in 2012 for the presumably #1 spot in the division based on how theoretically good people thought they were. Or Amir Mansour vs Bryant Jennings in 2014, the winner would have been deemed the savior of the division. People go too far with overhyping fighters and attributing them with credit that they haven't earned. The only way to be sure that you're not making a big mistake is that fighter has to actually beat a known quantity like Chisora, Takam, Povetkin, Thompson, Tarver, Cunningham, etc.. I wouldn't want Joshua and Parker to fight each other and waste the potentially historic showdown until after they've notched the kind of results that prove that the showdown is historic.

[asdfjkl]

Well Parker has had a bit of hype having fought absolutely nobody in the next few months we will find out how good he is

And the Champion(Joshua) and the former-Champion(Martin) ever met top 20 in the ring???

Well, Martin met one, but he failed to stand

Dillian Whyte can be considered as top 20, despite his current low rank.

[bigman1968]

Well Parker has had a bit of hype having fought absolutely nobody in the next few months we will find out how good he is

And the Champion(Joshua) and the former-Champion(Martin) ever met top 20 in the ring???

Well, Martin met one, but he failed to stand

Dillian Whyte can be considered as top 20, despite his current low rank.

My trainer and my father considered me as good boxer 25 years ago, so what???

White never was in the ring with someone somehow ranked. If not his amateur fight with AJ, who is also well hyped, he was still fighting club boxers for 300$ a round in the evenings and working in warehouse at day...

[Rob3_142]

Honestly I wouldn't want Parker to fight Joshua just yet even at the start of 2017, as you can guess I'm favouring him over Takam but they're both young promising heavyweights (Parker & Joshua) and the division has needed this sort of talent coming through for a long time and both of them meeting as world champions in future would be incredible for the sport. Not a Lewis vs Tyson or Ali vs Frazier level event but still a huge event.

from these eliminators I'll be favouring Pulev over Chisora and the winner of that fighting Joshua before the end of 2016. The fight would be better for Joshua and the IBF, Pulev is a good heavyweight so having him or Joshua as champion represents them in the right way and is Joshua meets Chisora it will go the same way as Joshua's fight with Whyte, Joshua's hand raised after a great display and Chisora barely conscious afterwards.

On an unrelated note I'd rather see joseph Parker fighting Lucas Browne next for the WBA world belt if he beats Takam, New Zealand and Australia have that rivalry there, the fight would be huge if it was in Australia, maybe even a sell out crowd in the right arena/stadium and it would definitely be a huge draw in America.

I honestly don't think that there's any reason why Joshua and Parker shouldn't meet. Why because they're prospects? You think that if they get beaten by the other, their career is over? If anything it raises the prospect of a rematch, providing the original isn't a terrible fight. The only reason they'd meet in the ring is because their paths have crossed, and with Joshua being the champion, and Parker being a challenger, it's going to happen. Careers are too short to wait all the time. If the division is getting deeper (remains to be seen), then Parker and Joshua are not the only prospects.

In response to your unrelated note; Lucas Browne is in the middle of a drug scandal and a WBA tournament, so how Parker is even mentioned into the equation is baffling. Maybe Parker can fight Joshua for the IBF on a Friday night and fight Browne for the WBA on the Saturday night?

[asdfjkl]

And the Champion(Joshua) and the former-Champion(Martin) ever met top 20 in the ring???

Well, Martin met one, but he failed to stand

Dillian Whyte can be considered as top 20, despite his current low rank.

My trainer and my father considered me as good boxer 25 years ago, so what???

White never was in the ring with someone somehow ranked. If not his amateur fight with AJ, who is also well hyped, he was still fighting club boxers for 300$ a round in the evenings and working in warehouse at day...

I guess your father and trainer don't know what they are talking about, or only said it, hoping it motivated you to do something good. Others simply do recognice quality and real top contenders and both Joshua, as well as Whyte, are currently way lower ranked as they should be.

[asdfjkl]

I just saw the odds on Parker-Takam and saw you get 4 times you money back if you put it on Takam and he wins.


For me that sounds like at least a very very fair bet.

I even dare to say that if Takam loses against Parker, a possible win of Deontay Wilder loses a lot of value.

[fizzjambo]

Dillian Whyte can be considered as top 20, despite his current low rank.

My trainer and my father considered me as good boxer 25 years ago, so what???

White never was in the ring with someone somehow ranked. If not his amateur fight with AJ, who is also well hyped, he was still fighting club boxers for 300$ a round in the evenings and working in warehouse at day...

I guess your father and trainer don't know what they are talking about, or only said it, hoping it motivated you to do something good. Others simply do recognice quality and real top contenders and both Joshua, as well as Whyte, are currently way lower ranked as they should be.

I like Whyte but if you think he is too 20 in the world based on what he's achieved so far you're nuts

[asdfjkl]

My trainer and my father considered me as good boxer 25 years ago, so what???

White never was in the ring with someone somehow ranked. If not his amateur fight with AJ, who is also well hyped, he was still fighting club boxers for 300$ a round in the evenings and working in warehouse at day...

I guess your father and trainer don't know what they are talking about, or only said it, hoping it motivated you to do something good. Others simply do recognice quality and real top contenders and both Joshua, as well as Whyte, are currently way lower ranked as they should be.

I like Whyte but if you think he is too 20 in the world based on what he's achieved so far you're nuts

Not in what he achieved, but in chin and strenght he showed, yes I do think he's around the 20th best boxer in the world. He can easely beat most of the guys ranked above him.

[fizzjambo]

I guess your father and trainer don't know what they are talking about, or only said it, hoping it motivated you to do something good. Others simply do recognice quality and real top contenders and both Joshua, as well as Whyte, are currently way lower ranked as they should be.

I like Whyte but if you think he is too 20 in the world based on what he's achieved so far you're nuts

Not in what he achieved, but in chin and strenght he showed, yes I do think he's around the 20th best boxer in the world. He can easely beat most of the guys ranked above him.

Fair enough. I'd say more top 50,he needs to beat a decent level guy before I'd get too excited.

[Rob3_142]

I guess your father and trainer don't know what they are talking about, or only said it, hoping it motivated you to do something good. Others simply do recognice quality and real top contenders and both Joshua, as well as Whyte, are currently way lower ranked as they should be.

I like Whyte but if you think he is too 20 in the world based on what he's achieved so far you're nuts

Not in what he achieved, but in chin and strenght he showed, yes I do think he's around the 20th best boxer in the world. He can easely beat most of the guys ranked above him.

I have to agree here, I know Whyte hasn't fought anyone of interest other than Joshua, but he does have a lot to his game which I think can make him a player in the top 20. There's still a long way to go for him, but I'm a big fan and will watch with intrigue.

[BitPlayer]

Certain boxing fans are aware that Haye and Chisora already fought.

But I mean for it to be an eliminator to eliminate both of these two phonies.....The UK has legitimate heavyweights in Fury and Joshua (and even Hughie on the rise) why keep dragging these two back....Throw in an eliminator bracket with David Price and Audley Harrison too....aaarrrggghhh.

Dereck Chisora is an extremely proven top 15 heavyweight with wins over Malik Scott, Edmund Gerber, Ondrej Pala, and Kevin Johnson; he also has numerous losses, which tells us exactly where his ceiling is. When someone unproven beats or loses to Chisora, it gives us a ton of information about exactly how good that fighter is, because we have such a wealth of information about exactly where Chisora is. It's very shortsighted of you to want Chisora to retire when his continued presence is making an ongoing contribution to the sport. Furthermore, the fact that you think Haye, Chisora, Price, and Harrison all should retire implies that you basically think England should only have about 2 active heavyweight boxers, which I interpret as meaning that you either hate England or you're the absolute opposite of a boxing fan.

In fairness, Harrison is and should be retired, he's taken too much punishment. Price maybe too, I like the guy, but he doesn't seem to have the heart for it now, unless something has changed since Teper.