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diddy wrote:I'm not sure why I even debate certain things with you idiots. Now we have people speaking for why Ward moved up in weight in an effort to downplay it. How the hell would you know why he did?! It doesn't matter WHY he did. It only matters that he did. Into a division with sharks.

Ward has beaten better fighters than GGG. Fact.
Ward has gone up in weight despite being younger than GGG. Fact.

The rest are opinions and conjecture. These are facts. Indisputable facts.

Fact GGG does not have to go up in weight.

Fact GGG is not from the inner city of America and you cannot stand that.

Fact GGG will take on anyone at 160 in the world.

So by your measure Floyd not taking on GGG then Floyd is a coward right? No you would not go there and you know damn well why you would not.

Lancenix wrote:

diddy wrote:

Lancenix wrote:
Take notes GGG? What is your damaged brain talking about??

Hmm lets see. Ward has already fought clearly better opposition than GGG. He is also younger. AND is going up in weight to challenge himself against monsters. GGG? Meh. I'll just stay in my weight class and beat up trashmen. What would you be saying about Ward if he fought his entire career fighting the Jurgen Brahmer and Karo Murat's of the world? These are the types GGG is fighting. You know what you would be saying about "Soggy" if he did that. Don't even try it.

Ward had to go up dumbass. he could not make that weight anymore. GGG is a 5'10 MW. He is a small MW. He does not have to jump if he does not want to. You are hating on GGG because he isn't from the inner city of the states. Let an American or anyone in the world challenge him at 160. How does that sound to you? If GGG was from the inner city of America with a lot of drama and a thug he would be beloved by America and especially by you. But he is not so you try to hate on his success. Ward is the one who hardly fought for 4 years and you want to put that on GGG? Don't be so bitter of Saturday's dispatching of another American. You sound like broken brained Roy Jones.

I'm a white republican, idiot. I have no connection to the "inner city". You speaking for why Ward moved up is stupifying. You are talking out of your ass like you have a clue. Ward had trouble making weight at 168? Really? Source? He's barely even 6'0 and lives in the gym. Doesn't drink. Doesn't party. You act like he's 6'3 and an undisciplined jagoff like Broner. He's he exact opposite of that.

Lancenix wrote:

diddy wrote:I'm not sure why I even debate certain things with you idiots. Now we have people speaking for why Ward moved up in weight in an effort to downplay it. How the hell would you know why he did?! It doesn't matter WHY he did. It only matters that he did. Into a division with sharks.

Ward has beaten better fighters than GGG. Fact.
Ward has gone up in weight despite being younger than GGG. Fact.

The rest are opinions and conjecture. These are facts. Indisputable facts.

Fact GGG does not have to go up in weight.

Fact GGG is not from the inner city of America and you cannot stand that.

Fact GGG will take on anyone at 160 in the world.

So by your measure Floyd not taking on GGG then Floyd is a coward right? No you would not go there and you know damn well why you would not.

Yes GGG DOES have to go up in weight. If he actually wants to see somebody with a remote chance of beating him.

You think someone at 168 had a remote chance of beating Ward?!

SFW wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

SFW wrote:Ward has faced and beaten better fighters than Golovkin has. That is undeniable. Now of course there's a million excuses why Ward wins fights, or how he's afraid of lol "challenges", but the truth is that's just empty headed hate. When he proves himself against Kovalev win or lose ignorant opinions don't matter.

Ward's better opposition is ancient history.

Golovkin's lack of good opposition is.. all we have

That's why it's weird that it's Ward who seems to lead all fighters in world-class dominations that just haven't crossed over from fans' imaginations into observable reality yet.

Lancenix wrote:

diddy wrote:I'm not sure why I even debate certain things with you idiots. Now we have people speaking for why Ward moved up in weight in an effort to downplay it. How the hell would you know why he did?! It doesn't matter WHY he did. It only matters that he did. Into a division with sharks.

Ward has beaten better fighters than GGG. Fact.
Ward has gone up in weight despite being younger than GGG. Fact.

The rest are opinions and conjecture. These are facts. Indisputable facts.

Fact GGG does not have to go up in weight.

Fact GGG is not from the inner city of America and you cannot stand that.

Fact GGG will take on anyone at 160 in the world.

So by your measure Floyd not taking on GGG then Floyd is a coward right? No you would not go there and you know damn well why you would not.

GGG only had to go up 1 weight class to see Ward. Floyd would have to go up 2 to see GGG. But I wish he would so I could see GGG beat the hell out of him. Because unlike you I'm not a bigot who roots on racial or heritage lines.

diddy wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

diddy wrote:
Hmm lets see. Ward has already fought clearly better opposition than GGG. He is also younger. AND is going up in weight to challenge himself against monsters. GGG? Meh. I'll just stay in my weight class and beat up trashmen. What would you be saying about Ward if he fought his entire career fighting the Jurgen Brahmer and Karo Murat's of the world? These are the types GGG is fighting. You know what you would be saying about "Soggy" if he did that. Don't even try it.

Ward had to go up dumbass. he could not make that weight anymore. GGG is a 5'10 MW. He is a small MW. He does not have to jump if he does not want to. You are hating on GGG because he isn't from the inner city of the states. Let an American or anyone in the world challenge him at 160. How does that sound to you? If GGG was from the inner city of America with a lot of drama and a thug he would be beloved by America and especially by you. But he is not so you try to hate on his success. Ward is the one who hardly fought for 4 years and you want to put that on GGG? Don't be so bitter of Saturday's dispatching of another American. You sound like broken brained Roy Jones.

I'm a white republican, idiot. I have no connection to the "inner city". You speaking for why Ward moved up is stupifying. You are talking out of your ass like you have a clue. Ward had trouble making weight at 168? Really? Source? He's barely even 6'0 and lives in the gym. Doesn't drink. Doesn't party. You act like he's 6'3 and an undisciplined jagoff like Broner. He's he exact opposite of that.

He was off for almost four years. He has not looked trim in either of the bogus fights he has had on his comeback. If he is so fit and trim he should get down to 160 and fight the best MW in the world. Yo act like GGG has an obligation to move up. GGG is only 5'10 dummy and you going on with hating on him is not gonna make him any taller or bigger. GGG does not have to move up at all. I am saying this again, if he were an American you would be loving him. But since he is not fitting your bill you have to come up with your usual bullshit to try to hate on him and you just sound dumb. This happens after everytime he wins. The anger and hate just comes out on him from so many American haters. now many Americans like him but you are one who does it after every win of his. You are so predictable and your act is tired. And weak. Really weak. Ward is gonna fight Kovalev, he will lose and you will come out with others and say that he never belonged at 175 in the first place and try to discredit Krusher's win.

diddy wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

diddy wrote:I'm not sure why I even debate certain things with you idiots. Now we have people speaking for why Ward moved up in weight in an effort to downplay it. How the hell would you know why he did?! It doesn't matter WHY he did. It only matters that he did. Into a division with sharks.

Ward has beaten better fighters than GGG. Fact.
Ward has gone up in weight despite being younger than GGG. Fact.

The rest are opinions and conjecture. These are facts. Indisputable facts.

Fact GGG does not have to go up in weight.

Fact GGG is not from the inner city of America and you cannot stand that.

Fact GGG will take on anyone at 160 in the world.

So by your measure Floyd not taking on GGG then Floyd is a coward right? No you would not go there and you know damn well why you would not.

GGG only had to go up 1 weight class to see Ward. Floyd would have to go up 2 to see GGG. But I wish he would so I could see GGG beat the hell out of him. Because unlike you I'm not a bigot who roots on racial or heritage lines.

Floyd fought at 154 twice. GGG would have fought him at 154. That is a weight class Floyd was already in and paraded the title at so you are so wrong there. Just more excuses from you. And if you count 147 as Floyd's weight class then that is 1 weight class. You just have so many excuses it is pathetic. You will come up with any excuse to hate on GGG. But if he were an American from the inner city he would be the MW tyson. Wouldn't he?

GGG is a top 3 p4p fighter in the sport. It's him Ward and Kovalev. I don't care what f'n nationality you are, idiot. I respect TALENT. As for Ward I've actually see him against other world class fighters. I don't care when the fights were. He's 31. Not 40. He's not over the hill. Nothing suggests he is other than you being an idiot. I want to see GGG fight someone with a PULSE. That's ALL. Get it? Good. Kovalev and Ward are gonna fight EACH OTHER. Who's GGG gonna fight? Garbage ass Quillin? Oh look at that I called an inner city American garbage. Imagine that? Idiot.

diddy wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

diddy wrote:I'm not sure why I even debate certain things with you idiots. Now we have people speaking for why Ward moved up in weight in an effort to downplay it. How the hell would you know why he did?! It doesn't matter WHY he did. It only matters that he did. Into a division with sharks.

Ward has beaten better fighters than GGG. Fact.
Ward has gone up in weight despite being younger than GGG. Fact.

The rest are opinions and conjecture. These are facts. Indisputable facts.

Fact GGG does not have to go up in weight.

Fact GGG is not from the inner city of America and you cannot stand that.

Fact GGG will take on anyone at 160 in the world.

So by your measure Floyd not taking on GGG then Floyd is a coward right? No you would not go there and you know damn well why you would not.

GGG only had to go up 1 weight class to see Ward. Floyd would have to go up 2 to see GGG. But I wish he would so I could see GGG beat the hell out of him. Because unlike you I'm not a bigot who roots on racial or heritage lines.

I am not a bigot at all and it is not my fault that America claims to be the 'melting pot' or whatever but when you come here everyone is divided on racial and ethnic lines and segregated as such. I did not create that.

Lancenix wrote:

diddy wrote:

Lancenix wrote:
Fact GGG does not have to go up in weight.

Fact GGG is not from the inner city of America and you cannot stand that.

Fact GGG will take on anyone at 160 in the world.

So by your measure Floyd not taking on GGG then Floyd is a coward right? No you would not go there and you know damn well why you would not.

GGG only had to go up 1 weight class to see Ward. Floyd would have to go up 2 to see GGG. But I wish he would so I could see GGG beat the hell out of him. Because unlike you I'm not a bigot who roots on racial or heritage lines.

I am not a bigot at all and it is not my fault that America claims to be the 'melting pot' or whatever but when you come here everyone is divided on racial and ethnic lines and segregated as such. I did not create that.

No. YOU are divided on racial lines. Speak for yourself. I am not.

diddy wrote:GGG is a top 3 p4p fighter in the sport. It's him Ward and Kovalev. I don't care what f'n nationality you are, idiot. I respect TALENT. As for Ward I've actually see him against other world class fighters. I don't care when the fights were. He's 31. Not 40. He's not over the hill. Nothing suggests he is other than you being an idiot. I want to see GGG fight someone with a PULSE. That's ALL. Get it? Good.

Well GGG is 160 why don't you find someone to fight him at 160. He is not a 168 guy. he is only 5'`10 and has a 70 inch reach. Why is that so hard for you to understand. The fact you cannot recognize him as one of the best MW's and you have to come on here and hate after everyone of his wins shows there is something wrong with you. You hater.

diddy wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

diddy wrote:
GGG only had to go up 1 weight class to see Ward. Floyd would have to go up 2 to see GGG. But I wish he would so I could see GGG beat the hell out of him. Because unlike you I'm not a bigot who roots on racial or heritage lines.

I am not a bigot at all and it is not my fault that America claims to be the 'melting pot' or whatever but when you come here everyone is divided on racial and ethnic lines and segregated as such. I did not create that.

No. YOU are divided on racial lines. Speak for yourself. I am not.

You country is. I suggest you watch the news in your country a little more.

diddy wrote:GGG is a top 3 p4p fighter in the sport. It's him Ward and Kovalev. I don't care what f'n nationality you are, idiot. I respect TALENT. As for Ward I've actually see him against other world class fighters. I don't care when the fights were. He's 31. Not 40. He's not over the hill. Nothing suggests he is other than you being an idiot. I want to see GGG fight someone with a PULSE. That's ALL. Get it? Good. Kovalev and Ward are gonna fight EACH OTHER. Who's GGG gonna fight? Garbage ass Quillin? Oh look at that I called an inner city American garbage. Imagine that? Idiot.

Floyd fought at 154 twice. GGG challenged him at 154. Fight never happened. You wanna say that is GGG's fault too huh?

Once again I'm not a Floyd fan nor a supporter. I wish that fight happened so I could see Floyd get whooped, what part of that did you not understand the first time?

diddy wrote:Once again I'm not a Floyd fan nor a supporter. I wish that fight happened so I could see Floyd get whooped, what part of that did you not understand the first time?

I am not saying you specifically. I am asking it rhetorically. But Floyd did not catch any flak for that from the American press. I just do not recall any fighter from the states being told that he must move up and fight, you have no choice. But the American press always does it after GGG wins. Instead of questioning the dodgers and people who refuse to fight him GGG is the one questioned. And there is racial and nationalistic bias in this in my opinion.

diddy wrote:I'm not sure why I even debate certain things with you idiots. Now we have people speaking for why Ward moved up in weight in an effort to downplay it. How the hell would you know why he did?! It doesn't matter WHY he did. It only matters that he did. Into a division with sharks.

If you say it doesn't matter why he did, but then use the move as a proof that he got balls, then you are a real idiot.

diddy wrote: Ward has beaten better fighters than GGG. Fact.

Those "better" fighters is an ancient history. When was the last time Ward fought a champion or even a former champion ?

diddy wrote: Ward has gone up in weight despite being younger than GGG. Fact.

He just stopped killing himself to make 168 and returned to the weight class he fought at the age of 19.

Lancenix wrote:

diddy wrote:Once again I'm not a Floyd fan nor a supporter. I wish that fight happened so I could see Floyd get whooped, what part of that did you not understand the first time?

I am not saying you specifically. I am asking it rhetorically. But Floyd did not catch any flak for that from the American press. I just do not recall any fighter from the states being told that he must move up and fight, you have no choice. But the American press always does it after GGG wins. Instead of questioning the dodgers and people who refuse to fight him GGG is the one questioned. And there is racial and nationalistic bias in this in my opinion.

You're making my head hurt. Seriously. First of all, you ARE talking to me. Literally. You're not talking to some dumb jamoke from a barbershop in Detroit who lives off the government and knows about nothing but rap music and Air Jordan's. That's #1.

As for Floyd, I'm no fan, but let's be serious here. HE HAS FOUGHT PEOPLE. Real opponents. Elite opponents. Oscar. Canelo. Cotto. Pacquaio. Its a long list. And he's gone up in weight to fight some of them. He's an old man now. He's not in his prime like GGG. When Floyd was in his prime he went up and fought people. This is reality. GGG is a GREAT fighter. But we will never know how great. Because his opposition is HORRID. Everyone thought Tyson was great. Until he fought elite guys who could take a punch. And punch back. Then we found out he wasn't as great as we thought. I want to see if GGG is as great as he could be. But we will NEVER find out if he remains in that division. Theres NOBODY any good at 160. When Danny Jacobs is your toughest fight in your division - your division sucks.

diddy wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

diddy wrote:Once again I'm not a Floyd fan nor a supporter. I wish that fight happened so I could see Floyd get whooped, what part of that did you not understand the first time?

I am not saying you specifically. I am asking it rhetorically. But Floyd did not catch any flak for that from the American press. I just do not recall any fighter from the states being told that he must move up and fight, you have no choice. But the American press always does it after GGG wins. Instead of questioning the dodgers and people who refuse to fight him GGG is the one questioned. And there is racial and nationalistic bias in this in my opinion.

You're making my head hurt. Seriously. First of all, you ARE talking to me. Literally. You're not talking to some dumb jamoke from a barbershop in Detroit who lives off the government and knows about nothing but rap music and Air Jordan's. That's #1.

As for Floyd, I'm no fan, but let's be serious here. HE HAS FOUGHT PEOPLE. Real opponents. Elite opponents. Oscar. Canelo. Cotto. Pacquaio. Its a long list. And he's gone up in weight to fight some of them. He's an old man now. He's not in his prime like GGG. When Floyd was in his prime he went up and fought people. This is reality. GGG is a GREAT fighter. But we will never know how great. Because his opposition is HORRID. Everyone thought Tyson was great. Until he fought elite guys who could take a punch. And punch back. Then we found out he wasn't as great as we thought. I want to see if GGG is as great as he could be. But we will NEVER find out if he remains in that division. Theres NOBODY any good at 160. When Danny Jacobs is your toughest fight in your division - your division sucks.

Nothing would change if he beats Ramirez and DeGale. They are nothing special. People will only accept that he is great if he beats LHWs.

diddy wrote:I'm not sure why I even debate certain things with you idiots. Now we have people speaking for why Ward moved up in weight in an effort to downplay it. How the hell would you know why he did?! It doesn't matter WHY he did. It only matters that he did. Into a division with sharks.

Ward has beaten better fighters than GGG. Fact.
Ward has gone up in weight despite being younger than GGG. Fact.

The rest are opinions and conjecture. These are facts. Indisputable facts.

I'm a fan of Golovkin's and not so much if Ward's, I dont, however, hate Ward or blindly follow Golovkin. Ward had some great wins before his injuries and self imposed exile and Golovkin face some very good opposition (at least they where deemed very good opposition right up until Golovkin beat them). Didn't Golovkin start out as a super welter/junior middle before moving up to middle? Ward hasn't been able to make super middle so hasn't fought at that weight since his return.
I enjoy watching the fights more than I am a fan of any one fighter and, quite frankly, I find the sort of hate and bile spewed by faceless wankers for and against any pro fighter on these boards offensive and somewhat disturbing, I have come to the conclusion that you people have some deep seated mental illnesses as these trains of thought are neither reasonable or normal behaviour.
Serious question do you, or any of the other clowns here bagging Ward or Golovkin or Gonzales or whoever else actually sit down and watch and enjoy the fights?

ikorolev wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It's been signed for months.

If there is no date and venue, then what was signed ?

You also said that they werent allowed to fight other opponents after June, but Kova is fighting in July.

A contract for them to fight with financial terms. They ammended the contract for a July cut off instead of June. It's OK buddy, you're wrong this time. Life goes on.

diddy wrote:Ward has balls.

GGG is content to knock over cans at 160 forever.

At least he gives (unintentionally) humorous post fight interviews.

Ward didn't want a thing to do with ggg when it was feasible.

ikorolev wrote:

diddy wrote:

Lancenix wrote:
I am not saying you specifically. I am asking it rhetorically. But Floyd did not catch any flak for that from the American press. I just do not recall any fighter from the states being told that he must move up and fight, you have no choice. But the American press always does it after GGG wins. Instead of questioning the dodgers and people who refuse to fight him GGG is the one questioned. And there is racial and nationalistic bias in this in my opinion.

You're making my head hurt. Seriously. First of all, you ARE talking to me. Literally. You're not talking to some dumb jamoke from a barbershop in Detroit who lives off the government and knows about nothing but rap music and Air Jordan's. That's #1.

As for Floyd, I'm no fan, but let's be serious here. HE HAS FOUGHT PEOPLE. Real opponents. Elite opponents. Oscar. Canelo. Cotto. Pacquaio. Its a long list. And he's gone up in weight to fight some of them. He's an old man now. He's not in his prime like GGG. When Floyd was in his prime he went up and fought people. This is reality. GGG is a GREAT fighter. But we will never know how great. Because his opposition is HORRID. Everyone thought Tyson was great. Until he fought elite guys who could take a punch. And punch back. Then we found out he wasn't as great as we thought. I want to see if GGG is as great as he could be. But we will NEVER find out if he remains in that division. Theres NOBODY any good at 160. When Danny Jacobs is your toughest fight in your division - your division sucks.

Nothing would change if he beats Ramirez and DeGale. They are nothing special. People will only accept that he is great if he beats LHWs.

For me personally, I don't need to see GGG fight Ward or Kovalev. But I do need to see him challenge himself like the other great middleweights like Hopkins and Jones did. And that's go up in weight. That's what the greats do. Challenge themselves. Even if it "only" meant beating James DeGale and Andre Dirrell and Badou Jack. It would most certainly get my attention. Because those guys are all worlds better than the utter garbage he's facing at 160.

ikorolev wrote:

diddy wrote:I'm not sure why I even debate certain things with you idiots. Now we have people speaking for why Ward moved up in weight in an effort to downplay it. How the hell would you know why he did?! It doesn't matter WHY he did. It only matters that he did. Into a division with sharks.

If you say it doesn't matter why he did, but then use the move as a proof that he got balls, then you are a real idiot.

diddy wrote: Ward has beaten better fighters than GGG. Fact.

Those "better" fighters is an ancient history. When was the last time Ward fought a champion or even a former champion ?

diddy wrote: Ward has gone up in weight despite being younger than GGG. Fact.

He just stopped killing himself to make 168 and returned to the weight class he fought at the age of 19.

Yep.

diddy wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

diddy wrote:
You're making my head hurt. Seriously. First of all, you ARE talking to me. Literally. You're not talking to some dumb jamoke from a barbershop in Detroit who lives off the government and knows about nothing but rap music and Air Jordan's. That's #1.

As for Floyd, I'm no fan, but let's be serious here. HE HAS FOUGHT PEOPLE. Real opponents. Elite opponents. Oscar. Canelo. Cotto. Pacquaio. Its a long list. And he's gone up in weight to fight some of them. He's an old man now. He's not in his prime like GGG. When Floyd was in his prime he went up and fought people. This is reality. GGG is a GREAT fighter. But we will never know how great. Because his opposition is HORRID. Everyone thought Tyson was great. Until he fought elite guys who could take a punch. And punch back. Then we found out he wasn't as great as we thought. I want to see if GGG is as great as he could be. But we will NEVER find out if he remains in that division. Theres NOBODY any good at 160. When Danny Jacobs is your toughest fight in your division - your division sucks.

Nothing would change if he beats Ramirez and DeGale. They are nothing special. People will only accept that he is great if he beats LHWs.

For me personally, I don't need to see GGG fight Ward or Kovalev. But I do need to see him challenge himself like the other great middleweights like Hopkins and Jones did. And that's go up in weight. That's what the greats do. Challenge themselves. Even if it "only" meant beating James DeGale and Andre Dirrell and Badou Jack. It would most certainly get my attention. Because those guys are all worlds better than the utter garbage he's facing at 160.

hey it is not his fault that America has these guys who do not want to step and fight him. I could say the same thing to you. America has two guys that I like to call the Charlo cowards. They hang out at 154, talk all kinds of smack are both undefeated but never fight anyone of note. They could move up to middle and try to take on GGG but that is not the American way anymore is it? It is better to protect the 0 and be a coward. Just like they are. The Charlo clowns.

Lancenix wrote:

diddy wrote:

ikorolev wrote:
Nothing would change if he beats Ramirez and DeGale. They are nothing special. People will only accept that he is great if he beats LHWs.

For me personally, I don't need to see GGG fight Ward or Kovalev. But I do need to see him challenge himself like the other great middleweights like Hopkins and Jones did. And that's go up in weight. That's what the greats do. Challenge themselves. Even if it "only" meant beating James DeGale and Andre Dirrell and Badou Jack. It would most certainly get my attention. Because those guys are all worlds better than the utter garbage he's facing at 160.

hey it is not his fault that America has these guys who do not want to step and fight him. I could say the same thing to you. America has two guys that I like to call the Charlo cowards. They hang out at 154, talk all kinds of smack are both undefeated but never fight anyone of note. They could move up to middle and try to take on GGG but that is not the American way anymore is it? It is better to protect the 0 and be a coward. Just like they are. The Charlo clowns.

GGG is a decade older than the Charlo clowns. Who was GGG fighting at 25? Rhetorical question. The same bums he's fighting now.