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No middleweight in the history of earth knocks out hagler.

Badhusker wrote:He needs to go after Lara, and KO that kind of style. He seems reluctant though. I honestly think Andrade would cause him more problems than Lara, but just my opinion.

Come on, Andrade barely defeated Vanes, and Lara had to headbutt Vanes to get a draw. They will create problems for GGG ???

LOL, Lara was clearly beating Vanes.

Badhusker wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
What do you think the middleweight division would look like if GGG never existed though? Would be people be calling it the worst division in boxing? Would they be saying that whomever was the lineal champion was unlucky because he reigned in an era that void of premium middleweights? I don't think so. I personally think that GGG would be doing this to ANY middleweight in their prime. I'm completely serious. To be doing what he's doing in this era to me is way more difficult than doing it in previous era's.

Think about it. Not to mention the fact that PEDS are everywhere, the boxing IQ is so much better than it was even 20 years ago. In two seconds athletes can get any statistic they want about their opponent. They weight loss is handled scientifically and their training camps are run so discipled that they are peaking on fight night. In two seconds they can pull up video's of every fight their opponent has been in. Boxers used to just have one trainer and a cut man. Now they have a team of specialists.

I think that middleweight division is just as tough as it's always been. GGG is just THAT much better than everyone that it makes it look like it's light. IMO, GGG fights any middleweight prior to now tomorrow and he knocks him out. Yes, Marvin too. The division is not light, they just happen to be fighting in a division with the best middleweight boxer in the history of boxing. Period.

Wow. Some pretty strong statements, and based on what? I am a huge GGG fan, and think he is under-rated a lot for his ring IQ, cutting off the ring, footwork, he just does a lot of great things in the ring. He does seem to get hit more than I would like to see, but no one has made him respect their power yet it seems. GGG needs a few big names to solidify his legacy. He needs to go after Lara, and KO that kind of style. He seems reluctant though. I honestly think Andrade would cause him more problems than Lara, but just my opinion.

Saying he would KO any middleweight, of any era, and is the GOAT? You must be smokin some good sheet man.

I've been watching the sport since 1976 and he's the most dominating fighter i've ever seen and he's doing it in an era that it really shouldn't be happening in. I don't think he's the greatest BOXER of all time because that belongs to a more scientific type boxer like Floyd, Ali or SRL. When i think of that title, i think about speed and shoeshine combinations...not one punch power like GGG.

BUT, I think that GGG is the most unbeatable boxer in history. GGG is an enigma and his power downright freakish. Where does it come from? The worst part is that his chin and ability to absorb a shot is just as freakish. At one point, people just need to sit down and think about what they are seeing right now. This is ridiculously special.

If only GGG had as much confidence in himself as you do. If he did, he would have fought Ward at 168. He may have missed his chance at an atg. Atg's like Manny and Floyd, for example moved up to seek out competition, and ended up fighting near their walking around weight. That is a risk. Atg's historically took risks. GGG has a ways to go.

Badhusker wrote:If only GGG had as much confidence in himself as you do. If he did, he would have fought Ward at 168. He may have missed his chance at an atg. Atg's like Manny and Floyd, for example moved up to seek out competition, and ended up fighting near their walking around weight. That is a risk. Atg's historically took risks. GGG has a ways to go.

Bullsh!t. Quite a few of ATGs never moved up or did so at the very end of their careers.

Badhusker wrote:He will be looked at somewhat like Rocky Marciano, who had a great career, is a great champion, but was in an era of weaker competition. He had a few great names on his resume of wins, but they were well past it. I don't blame GGG for not going up in weight, but he shouldn't have agreed to it for some and not others....same as going down. He is almost at an age now when a lot of boxers decline, so time could be short for him. SRL, for example, was shot at 34.

He might still have a good few years left.

Modern fighters seem to be able to go on for much longer than fighters, even from as recently as the 90s.

Golovkin has wiped out everyone that has been plonked in front of him & has never really had a hard fight.

He could still probably be a top line MW until he's in his late 30s.

The MW division doesn't have the quality off fighters of old, how dominant would GGG be if fighters like Hagler, RJJ, Toney, Hopkins, Nunn etc were about? GGG does look quality but he hasn't really fought a 'great' fighter to judge him fully.

ikorolev wrote:

Badhusker wrote:If only GGG had as much confidence in himself as you do. If he did, he would have fought Ward at 168. He may have missed his chance at an atg. Atg's like Manny and Floyd, for example moved up to seek out competition, and ended up fighting near their walking around weight. That is a risk. Atg's historically took risks. GGG has a ways to go.

Bullsh!t. Quite a few of ATGs never moved up or did so at the very end of their careers.

There are, yes, but in those cases the risks came to them. For example SRL and Hearns came to Hagler. Lots of examples. GGG doesn't seem to have that luxury, does he. GGG seems to want to cement his legacy against smaller, not bigger guys.

Badhusker wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

Badhusker wrote:If only GGG had as much confidence in himself as you do. If he did, he would have fought Ward at 168. He may have missed his chance at an atg. Atg's like Manny and Floyd, for example moved up to seek out competition, and ended up fighting near their walking around weight. That is a risk. Atg's historically took risks. GGG has a ways to go.

Bullsh!t. Quite a few of ATGs never moved up or did so at the very end of their careers.

There are, yes, but in those cases the risks came to them. For example SRL and Hearns came to Hagler. Lots of examples. GGG doesn't seem to have that luxury, does he. GGG seems to want to cement his legacy against smaller, not bigger guys.

How is Hagler fighting former welteweights SRL, Hearn or lightweight Duran different ? GGG could also wait for people moving up. He will get Canelo sooner or later, could fight Lara, Andrade, Charlos, Brook, Spence.

And no one would care a jot.

SNG wrote:And no one would care a jot.

Right, "nobody". He just sold out an arena fighting an obscure opponent.

ikorolev wrote:

SNG wrote:And no one would care a jot.

Right, "nobody". He just sold out an arena fighting an obscure opponent.

If you think GGG is going to become an all timer fighting overblown light middles and welters fine, the rest of us don't.

SNG wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

SNG wrote:And no one would care a jot.

Right, "nobody". He just sold out an arena fighting an obscure opponent.

If you think GGG is going to become an all timer fighting overblown light middles and welters fine, the rest of us don't.

Who authorized you to talk for "the rest of us" ???

I give GGG a hard time but he definitely has the tools to go down as one of the best.

As of now he's lacking big in the quality department so if he continues with this route he will just be another footnote in the MW division.

At 34 the clock is ticking he needs Canelo more than Canelo needs him so his people and him better start thinking about that.

kidbazooka1 wrote:I give GGG a hard time but he definitely has the tools to go down as one of the best.

As of now he's lacking big in the quality department so if he continues with this route he will just be another footnote in the MW division.

At 34 the clock is ticking he needs Canelo more than Canelo needs him so his people and him better start thinking about that.

What I find curious as that it seems like his biggest believers seem the most opposed to him seeking out the toughest opponents.
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Personally, if he defeated Jacobs, Canelo, and Saunders for example and then went on to defeat a few more solid opponents, that would be more than fine to place him along side some of the other great MW's of all time in my opinion. After all, that would conincide pretty closely with what they accomplished, cleaning out the division and holding the top spot for a good period. Some times we can overboard the other way with boxers of the past and think that they did nothing but vanquish great fighter after great fighter in their career when the truth is they had fights against opponents who realistically stood no chance against them in their championship reigns, just like GGG has to this point.

Having said that, his biggest fans seem to want him to be placed on the list right now based on the eye test and vehemently question anyone who offers the idea that he should go out and actually defeat the other top fighters of his time or, god forbid, actually seek out a good bigger man to cement his place. If he is as good as we all seem to think he is, it shouldn't be an impossible hurdle by any stretch, I would think his fans would be anxious for him to erase any doubts about his place by demolishing someone who is spin proof. But instead, it's all the reasons that he shouldn't have to do it or that what he has done is already doing it. Just seems odd to me.

Canelo, Saunders, Jacobs, Eubank. If there are no more A- level middleweights after that, Golovkin should move up. By that time, there may be a unified SMW champion who will need his ass handed to him by Golovkin.

Been watching boxing for about 55 years. 3G is special, whether or not he can get the other top MWs into the ring to prove it.

His resume is not stellar but it is good. And, yes, the fact that all top rung MWs are avoiding him should be taken into consideration when analyzing his career, so far.

3G has ATG potential but he will have to actually face some top level comp, even if it takes heading north, for his legacy to reach those proportions.

Badhusker wrote:If only GGG had as much confidence in himself as you do. If he did, he would have fought Ward at 168. He may have missed his chance at an atg. Atg's like Manny and Floyd, for example moved up to seek out competition, and ended up fighting near their walking around weight. That is a risk. Atg's historically took risks. GGG has a ways to go.

He's too small for SM.

ikorolev wrote:Canelo, Saunders, Jacobs, Eubank. If there are no more A- level middleweights after that, Golovkin should move up. By that time, there may be a unified SMW champion who will need his ass handed to him by Golovkin.

Unbiased opinion?

Then you make a statement like that.

See thats why GGG is getting a shit load if critics cuz bogus statements by his fanboys that automatically assume GGG can do this and that despite NOT beating one single top fighter to date.

Get a hold of yourselfs

What SMW can't Golovkin beat ?

ikorolev wrote:What SMW can't Golovkin beat ?

Unlike you i cant see into the future.

There maybe no one or there maybe a smw monster that would obliterate GGG in brutal fashion who knows.

You guys are a funny bunch.

Let GGG beat atleast one worth opponent before making such assumptions.

ikorolev wrote:What SMW can't Golovkin beat ?

In my opinion, Ward vs GGG at 168 would be the best fight in the last 20 years. Still could be. GGG didn't want to go 168, but would for Froch, etc? What does that tell you? Ward moves up and signs to fight Krusher. What does that tell you?

I have massive respect for GGG as one of the best MW's of our time. That is as far as it goes. When he is ready to really take risks, I will be right behind him. Imagine Floyd sitting at 140, or 147, refusing to move up to get a big fight? Other examples too. GGG has not moved at all.Hell, one of the recent threads talk about Floyd almost losing a match with DLH, when Floyd fought him at 154, about 4 lbs above his walking around weight. DLH weighed 17lbs more than Floyd fight night. When has GGG done that? GGG or his team need to be careful who they say they will fight and what weight, so they don't look stupid. If you need examples, let me know.

Badhusker wrote:

ikorolev wrote:What SMW can't Golovkin beat ?

In my opinion, Ward vs GGG at 168 would be the best fight in the last 20 years. Still could be. GGG didn't want to go 168, but would for Froch, etc? What does that tell you? Ward moves up and signs to fight Krusher. What does that tell you?

I have massive respect for GGG as one of the best MW's of our time. That is as far as it goes. When he is ready to really take risks, I will be right behind him. Imagine Floyd sitting at 140, or 147, refusing to move up to get a big fight? Other examples too. GGG has not moved at all.Hell, one of the recent threads talk about Floyd almost losing a match with DLH, when Floyd fought him at 154, about 4 lbs above his walking around weight. DLH weighed 17lbs more than Floyd fight night. When has GGG done that? GGG or his team need to be careful who they say they will fight and what weight, so they don't look stupid. If you need examples, let me know.

Stop coming with that Ward crap. Ward refused to fight Golovkin when Gennady was available. Then when nobody remembered who Ward was and Gennady had unification fights lined up, Ward sends that "offer" ???

I can ask the same questions about Mayweather you are asking about Golovkin. Floyd didn't want to fight Williams, Lara, Andrade, Golovkin at 154, but would go up for DLH, Cotto and Canelo ? What does that tell you ?

Badhusker wrote:

ikorolev wrote:What SMW can't Golovkin beat ?

In my opinion, Ward vs GGG at 168 would be the best fight in the last 20 years. Still could be. GGG didn't want to go 168, but would for Froch, etc? What does that tell you? Ward moves up and signs to fight Krusher. What does that tell you?

I have massive respect for GGG as one of the best MW's of our time. That is as far as it goes. When he is ready to really take risks, I will be right behind him. Imagine Floyd sitting at 140, or 147, refusing to move up to get a big fight? Other examples too. GGG has not moved at all.Hell, one of the recent threads talk about Floyd almost losing a match with DLH, when Floyd fought him at 154, about 4 lbs above his walking around weight. DLH weighed 17lbs more than Floyd fight night. When has GGG done that? GGG or his team need to be careful who they say they will fight and what weight, so they don't look stupid. If you need examples, let me know.

That was exactly a year ago around this time. Carl Froch's last fight was at Wembley stadium in front of 80,000 fans. What does that tell you? At that time last year Ward FINALLY came off the shelf to fight PAUL WILLIAMS at 172 on Black Entertainment Television, what does that tell you?