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wesshaw1985 wrote:

digzee wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote: how do you come to the conclusion Periban is more durable than Groves?
They've both been stopped once, Groves by Froch (a supposed power puncher), Periban by DeGale. A DeGale that didn't stop Groves when they met. Froch isn't a power puncher. DeGale didn't go for the KO against Groves it was a chess match.
Now DeGale has stepped up in level (Dirrell and Bute) he is 0 for 2 in terms of kos.
I believe Groves is on the same level as Bute and Dirrell so I have no reason to believe DeGale would ko him either...

I came to that because Groves has been rocked plenty of times including in the ams with head gear, while all the times I have seen Periban he has looked a typical tough Mexican.
Do you really think Groves would have got up from the punch DeGale dropped Dirrell with? what do you mean "I believe Groves is on the same level as Bute and Dirrell"? Are you talking skill wise? Or as in durability?

I mean, I believe Groves of equal skill to both Dirrell and Bute. If they were to be matched up they would be 50/50 fights.
"Do you really think Groves would have got up from the punch DeGale dropped Dirrell with?"
Do you think DeGale would have got up from the punch Groves dropped Froch with?
Its hypothetical.
Facts are they went the distance once. DeGale hasn't stopped anybody since he has moved up in level from Periban, I believe Groves is a level above Periban (as do all the governing bodies) so I would edge towards DeGale not stopping him either...

wesshaw1985 wrote:

handsofstone wrote:"Ive been here in America for 48 hours and already ive been stopped 3 times from people wanting pictures,its mad"


Its like Beatlemania all over

haha read that myself.
DeGale is a tit but whatever works for him.
I'm just looking forward to the Groves rematch so Groves can beat him again...

Nightmare Roy wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

handsofstone wrote:"Ive been here in America for 48 hours and already ive been stopped 3 times from people wanting pictures,its mad"


Its like Beatlemania all over

haha read that myself.
DeGale is a tit but whatever works for him.
I'm just looking forward to the Groves rematch so Groves can beat him again...

Groves doesn't stand a chance, Degale has come a long way, you have to respect the guy going to the states again and again and doing the business.

wesshaw1985 wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote: haha read that myself.
DeGale is a tit but whatever works for him.
I'm just looking forward to the Groves rematch so Groves can beat him again...

Groves doesn't stand a chance, Degale has come a long way, you have to respect the guy going to the states again and again and doing the business.

You are aware Degale has only fought in the states once in his career?

digzee wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

digzee wrote: I came to that because Groves has been rocked plenty of times including in the ams with head gear, while all the times I have seen Periban he has looked a typical tough Mexican.
Do you really think Groves would have got up from the punch DeGale dropped Dirrell with? what do you mean "I believe Groves is on the same level as Bute and Dirrell"? Are you talking skill wise? Or as in durability?

I mean, I believe Groves of equal skill to both Dirrell and Bute. If they were to be matched up they would be 50/50 fights.
"Do you really think Groves would have got up from the punch DeGale dropped Dirrell with?"
Do you think DeGale would have got up from the punch Groves dropped Froch with?
Its hypothetical.
Facts are they went the distance once. DeGale hasn't stopped anybody since he has moved up in level from Periban, I believe Groves is a level above Periban (as do all the governing bodies) so I would edge towards DeGale not stopping him either...

I never said Periban is on the same skill level as Groves, you keep making the same mistake, I said he's not as durable. For instance Amir Khan is more skilful then Brandon Rios but Rios is tougher and has a better chin.

It's not hypothetical when there is clear evidence that Groves doesn't take a punch well, Groves would have got knocked out had he taken the shot Dirrell got dropped by.

Nightmare Roy wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote: Groves doesn't stand a chance, Degale has come a long way, you have to respect the guy going to the states again and again and doing the business.

You are aware Degale has only fought in the states once in his career?

Ok overseas, he's doing it for a third time soon, not many do though do they?

wesshaw1985 wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote: You are aware Degale has only fought in the states once in his career?

Ok overseas, he's doing it for a third time soon, not many do though do they?

Groves has gone "to the states" 3 times so far in his career.
I doubt he would be scared to go to the states to face Medina either, he just doesn't have to, Hearn is throwing money and opponents at him at home in the UK on PPV...

Nightmare Roy wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote: Ok overseas, he's doing it for a third time soon, not many do though do they?

Groves has gone "to the states" 3 times so far in his career.
I doubt he would be scared to go to the states to face Medina either, he just doesn't have to, Hearn is throwing money and opponents at him at home in the UK on PPV...

Not arguing with that, can't see him beating Degale though.

wesshaw1985 wrote:

digzee wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote: I mean, I believe Groves of equal skill to both Dirrell and Bute. If they were to be matched up they would be 50/50 fights.
"Do you really think Groves would have got up from the punch DeGale dropped Dirrell with?"
Do you think DeGale would have got up from the punch Groves dropped Froch with?
Its hypothetical.
Facts are they went the distance once. DeGale hasn't stopped anybody since he has moved up in level from Periban, I believe Groves is a level above Periban (as do all the governing bodies) so I would edge towards DeGale not stopping him either...

I never said Periban is on the same skill level as Groves, you keep making the same mistake, I said he's not as durable. For instance Amir Khan is more skilful then Brandon Rios but Rios is tougher and has a better chin.

It's not hypothetical when there is clear evidence that Groves doesn't take a punch well, Groves would have got knocked out had he taken the shot Dirrell got dropped by.

Groves has only been stopped once, he has been dropped a few times but has always gotten back up.
To say Periban is more durable when he has been stopped the same amount of times as Groves is just daft.
You keep making the same mistake of mentioning one punch DeGale landed on Dirrell as if its guaranteed he will land it on Groves, again a daft hypothetical argument.
Stop wishing and take a look at the facts my friend...

wesshaw1985 wrote:

digzee wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote: how do you come to the conclusion Periban is more durable than Groves?
They've both been stopped once, Groves by Froch (a supposed power puncher), Periban by DeGale. A DeGale that didn't stop Groves when they met. Froch isn't a power puncher. DeGale didn't go for the KO against Groves it was a chess match.
Now DeGale has stepped up in level (Dirrell and Bute) he is 0 for 2 in terms of kos.
I believe Groves is on the same level as Bute and Dirrell so I have no reason to believe DeGale would ko him either...

I came to that because Groves has been rocked plenty of times including in the ams with head gear, while all the times I have seen Periban he has looked a typical tough Mexican.
Do you really think Groves would have got up from the punch DeGale dropped Dirrell with? what do you mean "I believe Groves is on the same level as Bute and Dirrell"? Are you talking skill wise? Or as in durability?

Also, how an you say Froch isn't a power puncher, yet you are so certain DeGale would ko Groves?
Bute for starters, Froch ko'd him, DeGale didn't.
Groves, Froch ko'd him "twice", DeGale didn't.
Very strange argument you are making...

digzee wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

digzee wrote:
I never said Periban is on the same skill level as Groves, you keep making the same mistake, I said he's not as durable. For instance Amir Khan is more skilful then Brandon Rios but Rios is tougher and has a better chin.

It's not hypothetical when there is clear evidence that Groves doesn't take a punch well, Groves would have got knocked out had he taken the shot Dirrell got dropped by.

Groves has only been stopped once, he has been dropped a few times but has always gotten back up.
To say Periban is more durable when he has been stopped the same amount of times as Groves is just daft.
You keep making the same mistake of mentioning one punch DeGale landed on Dirrell as if its guaranteed he will land it on Groves, again a daft hypothetical argument.
Stop wishing and take a look at the facts my friend...

Your sounding like a casual by just looking at a record and saying oh he's only been stopped once he must be as durable as another guy who has been stopped once. You think because a boxer is skilful he must be more durable then a boxer with less skill, it just doesn't make sense. I even showed you a comparison (Khan-Rios) but you clearly didn't get it.

If you cant see that Groves is more vulnerable when taking a punch compared to Periban then there's no help for you. I know you love a poll so why not start one and see who people think is more durable....

Stuarty30 wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

digzee wrote: I came to that because Groves has been rocked plenty of times including in the ams with head gear, while all the times I have seen Periban he has looked a typical tough Mexican.
Do you really think Groves would have got up from the punch DeGale dropped Dirrell with? what do you mean "I believe Groves is on the same level as Bute and Dirrell"? Are you talking skill wise? Or as in durability?

Also, how an you say Froch isn't a power puncher, yet you are so certain DeGale would ko Groves?
Bute for starters, Froch ko'd him, DeGale didn't.
Groves, Froch ko'd him "twice", DeGale didn't.
Very strange argument you are making...

You know yourself things don't work like that.

wesshaw1985 wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote: Also, how an you say Froch isn't a power puncher, yet you are so certain DeGale would ko Groves?
Bute for starters, Froch ko'd him, DeGale didn't.
Groves, Froch ko'd him "twice", DeGale didn't.
Very strange argument you are making...

You know yourself things don't work like that.

Would you not consider Froch a power puncher aswell then?
Who is a bigger puncher Froch or DeGale? In your opinion...

Stuarty30 wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:
You know yourself things don't work like that.

Would you not consider Froch a power puncher aswell then?
Who is a bigger puncher Froch or DeGale? In your opinion...

Froch hits harder. DeGale IMO would probably throw more and land more. I don't think DeGale would take GG out with one shot like Froch did it would probably be an accumulation of shots that done the job. Every chance it could go the distance but I'd fancy DeGale to get the stoppage this time. Let's hope it happens and we find out.

wesshaw1985 wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote: Also, how an you say Froch isn't a power puncher, yet you are so certain DeGale would ko Groves?
Bute for starters, Froch ko'd him, DeGale didn't.
Groves, Froch ko'd him "twice", DeGale didn't.
Very strange argument you are making...

You know yourself things don't work like that.

Would you not consider Froch a power puncher aswell then?
Who is a bigger puncher Froch or DeGale? In your opinion...

handsofstone wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

handsofstone wrote:"Ive been here in America for 48 hours and already ive been stopped 3 times from people wanting pictures,its mad"


Its like Beatlemania all over

haha read that myself.
DeGale is a tit but whatever works for him.
I'm just looking forward to the Groves rematch so Groves can beat him again...

In all seriousness i used to get irked by DeGale too but since the loss to Groves,ive kind of took to him,he seems to be on the correct side of confident/arrogant these days and ive got massive respect for what he did against Dirrell to become world champ,i actually quite like him

wesshaw1985 wrote:

digzee wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote: Groves has only been stopped once, he has been dropped a few times but has always gotten back up.
To say Periban is more durable when he has been stopped the same amount of times as Groves is just daft.
You keep making the same mistake of mentioning one punch DeGale landed on Dirrell as if its guaranteed he will land it on Groves, again a daft hypothetical argument.
Stop wishing and take a look at the facts my friend...

Your sounding like a casual by just looking at a record and saying oh he's only been stopped once he must be as durable as another guy who has been stopped once. You think because a boxer is skilful he must be more durable then a boxer with less skill, it just doesn't make sense. I even showed you a comparison (Khan-Rios) but you clearly didn't get it.

If you cant see that Groves is more vulnerable when taking a punch compared to Periban then there's no help for you. I know you love a poll so why not start one and see who people think is more durable....

Did you just come across the word durable?
What is casual is watching a highlight of one of DeGales fights, seeing him land one nice clean punch and assuming it is now his WWE-style finishing move.
Also, looking up records and going over stats isnt being a casual my friend, its basing an argument on facts not hypotheticals...
Groves DeGale more than likely goes the distance...

handsofstone wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

handsofstone wrote:"Ive been here in America for 48 hours and already ive been stopped 3 times from people wanting pictures,its mad"


Its like Beatlemania all over

haha read that myself.
DeGale is a tit but whatever works for him.
I'm just looking forward to the Groves rematch so Groves can beat him again...

In all seriousness i used to get irked by DeGale too but since the loss to Groves,ive kind of took to him,he seems to be on the correct side of confident/arrogant these days and ive got massive respect for what he did against Dirrell to become world champ,i actually quite like him

digzee wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

digzee wrote: Your sounding like a casual by just looking at a record and saying oh he's only been stopped once he must be as durable as another guy who has been stopped once. You think because a boxer is skilful he must be more durable then a boxer with less skill, it just doesn't make sense. I even showed you a comparison (Khan-Rios) but you clearly didn't get it.

If you cant see that Groves is more vulnerable when taking a punch compared to Periban then there's no help for you. I know you love a poll so why not start one and see who people think is more durable....

Did you just come across the word durable?
What is casual is watching a highlight of one of DeGales fights, seeing him land one nice clean punch and assuming it is now his WWE-style finishing move.
Also, looking up records and going over stats isnt being a casual my friend, its basing an argument on facts not hypotheticals...
Groves DeGale more than likely goes the distance...

HAHA i'm sorry but your really embarrassing yourself here, I don't think you know what durable means. Here is what it means from the oxford dictionary "informal (Of a person) having endurance" Now everyone knows Groves has stamina problems (well everyone apart from you clearly). It also says "Able to withstand wear, pressure, or damage; hard-wearing:" now are you telling me Groves can withstand pressure? He clearly doesn't take a punch well so he cant withstand wear and damage. Now please tell me what you think it means and how Groves is durable because the fact is he's had 3 fights at world level and lost them all getting stopped twice and dropped in the other, how do you like them facts?.

Look its clear you are a Groves fan but get real he's the opposite of durable, I'd stop digging that hole if I were you.

wesshaw1985 wrote:

digzee wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote: Did you just come across the word durable?
What is casual is watching a highlight of one of DeGales fights, seeing him land one nice clean punch and assuming it is now his WWE-style finishing move.
Also, looking up records and going over stats isnt being a casual my friend, its basing an argument on facts not hypotheticals...
Groves DeGale more than likely goes the distance...

HAHA i'm sorry but your really embarrassing yourself here, I don't think you know what durable means. Here is what it means from the oxford dictionary "informal (Of a person) having endurance" Now everyone knows Groves has stamina problems (well everyone apart from you clearly). It also says "Able to withstand wear, pressure, or damage; hard-wearing:" now are you telling me Groves can withstand pressure? He clearly doesn't take a punch well so he cant withstand wear and damage. Now please tell me what you think it means and how Groves is durable because the fact is he's had 3 fights at world level and lost them all getting stopped twice and dropped in the other, how do you like them facts?.

Look its clear you are a Groves fan but get real he's the opposite of durable, I'd stop digging that hole if I were you.

the question Did you just come across the word durable? was sarcastic (lowest form of wit i know) due to your apparent love of the new found word. Very strange, yeh I've used it a few times so it must be a new word.
Yes I am a Groves fan and you quite clearly are a DeGale fan/Groves hater. Yes I like DeGale I've been following him from before he went pro. Don't be childish i'm not a Groves hater.
Yes Groves has stamina problems, but he doesn't quit when his gas tank is running low. FACT So you can admit he has stamina problems= durability problems.
Yes Groves has been dropped, but he has gotten back up and fought on. FACT
Groves has only been stopped by one man Carl Froch ("Froch isn't a power puncher" apparently). 26 fights, stopped 2 times. 26 fights but only 3 at world level and got stopped twice and dropped in the other, nice way of masking that.
Apparently Groves has no durability yet took your hero James DeGale 12 rounds. FACT. I told you already DeGale fought too causiously in their first fight and i'm sure he will change tactics if they fought again, look how they've both progressed since that fight...
Again, the fight more than likely goes the distance and its a close decision victory either way... I don't think that's the consensus at all most people think DeGale wins by stoppage or a clear points win, your the only one picking Groves.

digzee wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

digzee wrote:
HAHA i'm sorry but your really embarrassing yourself here, I don't think you know what durable means. Here is what it means from the oxford dictionary "informal (Of a person) having endurance" Now everyone knows Groves has stamina problems (well everyone apart from you clearly). It also says "Able to withstand wear, pressure, or damage; hard-wearing:" now are you telling me Groves can withstand pressure? He clearly doesn't take a punch well so he cant withstand wear and damage. Now please tell me what you think it means and how Groves is durable because the fact is he's had 3 fights at world level and lost them all getting stopped twice and dropped in the other, how do you like them facts?.

Look its clear you are a Groves fan but get real he's the opposite of durable, I'd stop digging that hole if I were you.

the question Did you just come across the word durable? was sarcastic (lowest form of wit i know) due to your apparent love of the new found word. Very strange, yeh I've used it a few times so it must be a new word.
Yes I am a Groves fan and you quite clearly are a DeGale fan/Groves hater. Yes I like DeGale I've been following him from before he went pro. Don't be childish i'm not a Groves hater.
Yes Groves has stamina problems, but he doesn't quit when his gas tank is running low. FACT So you can admit he has stamina problems= durability problems.
Yes Groves has been dropped, but he has gotten back up and fought on. FACT
Groves has only been stopped by one man Carl Froch ("Froch isn't a power puncher" apparently). 26 fights, stopped 2 times. 26 fights but only 3 at world level and got stopped twice and dropped in the other, nice way of masking that.
Apparently Groves has no durability yet took your hero James DeGale 12 rounds. FACT. I told you already DeGale fought too causiously in their first fight and i'm sure he will change tactics if they fought again, look how they've both progressed since that fight...
Again, the fight more than likely goes the distance and its a close decision victory either way... I don't think that's the consensus at all most people think DeGale wins by stoppage or a clear points win, your the only one picking Groves.

magwitch wrote:

handsofstone wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote: haha read that myself.
DeGale is a tit but whatever works for him.
I'm just looking forward to the Groves rematch so Groves can beat him again...

In all seriousness i used to get irked by DeGale too but since the loss to Groves,ive kind of took to him,he seems to be on the correct side of confident/arrogant these days and ive got massive respect for what he did against Dirrell to become world champ,i actually quite like him

I like Degale and I like Groves too. And I like Khan and Fury. (I suspect Khan cops the most haters out of that lot). I’ll lick any sonofabitch that wants a square go over it.