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diddy wrote:I was joking.

Smith who? Will Smith

Would've been better

Will "Muhammad Ali" Smith could beat Paul Smith. Lol.

I thought Degale won his fight pretty clearly. He gave away a lot of moments against Medina though.

Degale fought in spots. Had trouble when Medina was on the offense a lot and just laid clammed up on the ropes. Degale was obviously faster, flashier, and a greater arsenal of punches, but looks to have issues with good pressure fighters. He missed tons of opportunities to counter Medina, but just laid back not offering anything back allowing Medina to score. A top notch pressure fighter would spell doom for Degale.

Impractical Poster wrote:Degale fought in spots. Had trouble when Medina was on the offense a lot and just laid clammed up on the ropes. Degale was obviously faster, flashier, and a greater arsenal of punches, but looks to have issues with good pressure fighters. He missed tons of opportunities to counter Medina, but just laid back not offering anything back allowing Medina to score. A top notch pressure fighter would spell doom for Degale.

But Jack is not that fighter.

diddy wrote:Medina is on PED's. There's zero question about that. All the guys with tireless gas tanks are. Medina won the 11th huge. Got him up at least a point.

If that turns out to be the case (Medina juiced) it clearly demonstrates why testing should either be abolished or much more stringent, with far tougher consequences.

What can you do faced with a rabid animal?

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Degale fought in spots. Had trouble when Medina was on the offense a lot and just laid clammed up on the ropes. Degale was obviously faster, flashier, and a greater arsenal of punches, but looks to have issues with good pressure fighters. He missed tons of opportunities to counter Medina, but just laid back not offering anything back allowing Medina to score. A top notch pressure fighter would spell doom for Degale.

But Jack is not that fighter.

True. Jack is much more fundamentally sound than Degale. I expect Jack to win their bout.

I was thinking that Medina would be a good first challenger for Gilberto Ramirez, but then I noticed that Ramirez already knocked out Medina in 6 when the latter was unbeaten.

I think Ramirez, Jack, and Degale are right around the same level, and it's good to see a case of top fighters unifying (I lean slightly toward Degale--Jack's style isn't the type that's best to exploit Chunky's lazy spots). Smith looks very promising and may well do the business at the highest level, but I'd like to see him fight someone better than Rocky Fielding before I get too confident about his abilities. Incidentally, people went crazy because he iced a guy that went 12 with Chunky, but Medina also went 12 with Chunky despite being stopped 3 other times, with 1 of those losses being to 40 year old Yuri Boy Campas.

DeGale looked good.

Evander wrote:DeGale looked good.

If that was good, then what is mediocre ?

As usual DeGale put himself in place and took punches.
His defence was quality as was the positioning , he navigated his way out of all the tough spots one way or another.

If that was good how did Jack and Ramirez do against Medina? Spectacular?

So what exactly were the scores for this fight? BoxRec has changed them a few times.

Initially it said that Grey's card was announced as 117-111when it was actually 116-112, now his score is back at 117-111 and someone has written that Madfis's supposed 116-112 card was incorrectly announced as 115-113.

crusader wrote:So what exactly were the scores for this fight? BoxRec has changed them a few times.

Initially it said that Grey's card was announced as 117-111when it was actually 116-112, now his score is back at 117-111 and someone has written that Madfis's supposed 116-112 card was incorrectly announced as 115-113.

Judges are still in the process of negotiating their cuts, so scores are changing

I had it 115-113 DeGale.

Again he switched off during the fight and gave rounds away.

You've got to give any skilled fighter with a high workrate a chance against him.

I hate fighters getting rid of trainers but DeGale and Mcdonnell get on that well that when Mcdonnell gives him a rocket inbetween rounds he doesn't see to take notice.
Maybe a change would be good for him. He needs to find someone who can get through to him in the corner.
Also the cockiness came back again Saturday. Sticking your tongue out and being disrespectful makes you look stupid when the fight is that close.

PredatorHayds wrote:I had it 115-113 DeGale.

Again he switched off during the fight and gave rounds away.

You've got to give any skilled fighter with a high workrate a chance against him.

That's exactly why Ramirez beats him.

I think DeGale is underated, that's not to say I think he's the best fighter in the world or anything like that but at times his boxing is very good.
His defence isn't bad and his chin is quality.
Some of the punches he threw from the hip at Medina were pure class, his ring generalship can be high level.
Obviously James has a habit of switching off which we have seen a few times which isn't really a big issue until the cards get within a round or two.
All that said I do believe James DeGale is a superb technician when he wants to be and could likely turn out to be a Winky Wright type of fighter who on his day given a fair shake could beat most the top boxers in the world today.
I think James is aware of his shortcomings and works hard to improve them and its coming along very well if you ask me, mind you I have been on his bandwagon even prior to the Groves fight which I believe he won and in my eyes he's an undefeated fighter.

I don't think Degale is underrated at all. He seems to be the consensus #1 in the division and I don't think he deserves any more praise than that. He's clearly good, but he's looked lackluster a number of times (let's not forget how easily Ramirez and Jack stopped Medina) and I wouldn't be surprised if he lost to some of the other top guys at the weight.

As for the bout with Groves, I also had Degale winning but it was a razor thin contest and the decision was fair.

crusader wrote:I don't think Degale is underrated at all. He seems to be the consensus #1 in the division and I don't think he deserves any more praise than that. He's clearly good, but he's looked lackluster a number of times (let's not forget how easily Ramirez and Jack stopped Medina) and I wouldn't be surprised if he lost to some of the other top guys at the weight.

Like who ?

Ramirez, Jack, and Smith....IMO these are all competitive fights that could go either way.

I also think GGG would beat him, though Degale would be significantly bigger and that could make things interesting.

You think Jack would beat DeGale, I don't and would take that fight in a heartbeat.
Ramirez is good no question but when war torn punchers like Arthur Abraham who only know how to throw 2 punches come at you it's not exactly the most difficult idea in the world to devise a winning strategy against him.
That said it would take a well thought up plan to beat Ramirez but it could be done.
Haven't seen much of Smith but I will do now.

Oh and of course GGG he's a different animal altogether.
Power of the man is incredible although he's looking a little slower than he once did.

i thought degale won easy, but he does the same old switch of let them back in the fight and have to grind out a win, shame as i think degale has loads of talent just acts the fool or goes a sleep ,can throw a solid punch from all angles good defence can take a punch and grind a win out . i think degale can make jack look average if he turns it on

I think that DeGale is the man to beat at smw. I favor him over Jack, but if DeGale takes a third to half of the fight off he will lose.

Tanzio wrote:I think that DeGale is the man to beat at smw. I favor him over Jack, but if DeGale takes a third to half of the fight off he will lose.

Completely agree.

The way to beat DeGale is to not try anything spectacular, keep a high workrate and take advantage when DeGale takes his inevitable rounds off.

I favour DeGale but Jack has the style to nick this on points.