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Horse wrote:No one is ducking Ortiz.

Doesn't matter how many times you say it, it still isn't true.

Riddick Blowe wrote:Doesn't matter how many times you say it, it still isn't true.

He's just fought the two best opponents of his career and he's only recently entered the top 10.

He's been getting opportunities, despite failing a drug test, and he has a little title.

Who has ducked him?

foxdog1923 wrote: He ain't got no belt.

So...........he shouldn't be getting fights then?

Ok everyone, go do something else, the belts have already been distributed.

Horse wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:Doesn't matter how many times you say it, it still isn't true.

He's just fought the two best opponents of his career and he's only recently entered the top 10.

He's been getting opportunities, despite failing a drug test, and he has a little title.

Who has ducked him?

Golden Boy had an impossible time finding him an opponent when he fought in march. Several guys turned him down before thompson agreed to fight him. There hasn't been pressure on the top guys to fight him yet, but i expect that getting them to fight him won't be any easier.

Bobbyptsd wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote: He ain't got no belt.

So...........he shouldn't be getting fights then?

Ok everyone, go do something else, the belts have already been distributed.

Allow me to educate you..boxing is a business. If you're the contender, you're the beggar. His promoters including himself are the worst. He's got no belt so unless people HAVE to fight him they'd rather chase the belt for some reason..

Unfortunately for him he has to really pursue not like other boxers who may had a easier ride to their title. No belt is going to come to him and at 37 years old that is dumb of him and his management to sit and think "oh everyone's ducking, you can't do much".

He needs to do what nearly all contenders do and that's publicly up close and personal, walk up to Joshua, Wilder or Fury and call them out. NOW THAT will show he's for real, the old school Clubber Lang "look everyone he don't want to fight me". Apparently sources say he doesn't want to do that, he wants to remain "patient" and take whoever comes his way. You see what I'm saying?

So now you know why boxers publicly call other boxers out cos thats the most desperate but effective way to secure a fight. Only when a fighter does this and gets no response that you can TRULY say he's being ducked. Everywhere the called out fighter goes he's going to get asked just like when the Pacquiao monkey was on Floyds back, he eventually had to do it. Fury caused public interest when he called out Wilder, maybe to secure a big money fight should he lose to Klitscko.

A lot of the top heavyweights you will ALWAYS hear "it's hard to find an opponent for him". I'm sick of hearing that, I want to hear and see him applying himself which isn't the case.

foxdog1923 wrote:

Bobbyptsd wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote: He ain't got no belt.

So...........he shouldn't be getting fights then?

Ok everyone, go do something else, the belts have already been distributed.

He needs to do what nearly all contenders do and that's publicly up close and personal, walk up to Joshua, Wilder or Fury and call them out. NOW THAT will show he's for real, the old school Clubber Lang "I'm the real champ". Apparently sources say he doesn't want to do that, he wants to remain "patient" and take whoever comes his way. You see what I'm saying?.

NO CONTENDER DOES THAT... Ortiz called out Fury and Wilder publicly and called them "CLOWNS" who he would easily beat... They are NOT going to harass somebody personally like Briggs did to Klitschko because there's NO MECHANISM in Boxing that deserving challengers can use to force World Champions into a ring... That's sad but true... Martinez, Cotto, and Canelo have gotten "exceptions" to fight everybody else but Golovkin for the last 7 years.

Kalan wrote:NO CONTENDER DOES THAT...

Ok..so according to you no contender calls anyone out.

Kalan wrote:Ortiz called out Fury and Wilder publicly and called them "CLOWNS" who he would easily beat..

Ok..so Ortiz not a contender?..

Kalan wrote:They are NOT going to harass somebody personally like Briggs did to Klitschko because there's NO MECHANISM in Boxing that deserving challengers can use to force World Champions into a ring...

Ok Briggs is not a deserving challenger. You use him as an example but you know very well that YouTube has MANY clips of top boxers calling others out. Have you honestly not seen this in Boxing? Chisora/Haye, Fury/Klitschko ring any bells? That's just to name a few.

Calling out and boxing is nothing new.

Ortiz needs to push his challenge which he doesn't want to do. He can't just wait around injecting himself nandrolone or whatever he gets up to. If he did publicly call them out then those who refuse WOULD BE CLEARLY ducking, then the public interest builds, PPV sales will grow etc..

To say the top heavyweights are ducking him is pure speculation and that's accurate.

Look at it this way..if Ortiz jumped in the ring after a title fight and called out the champion in whatever way he chooses and the champ resonds either yes or no, don't you think that self promotion would beat the sitting on his arse that he's doing now?

If you believe Ortiz is the next champion (I wouldn't doubt it) and you feel all the other top heavyweights are ducking him then what would be a good way for him to expose the current champions as duckers?

Kalan wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:

Bobbyptsd wrote:
So...........he shouldn't be getting fights then?

Ok everyone, go do something else, the belts have already been distributed.

He needs to do what nearly all contenders do and that's publicly up close and personal, walk up to Joshua, Wilder or Fury and call them out. NOW THAT will show he's for real, the old school Clubber Lang "I'm the real champ". Apparently sources say he doesn't want to do that, he wants to remain "patient" and take whoever comes his way. You see what I'm saying?.

NO CONTENDER DOES THAT... Ortiz called out Fury and Wilder publicly and called them "CLOWNS" who he would easily beat... They are NOT going to harass somebody personally like Briggs did to Klitschko because there's NO MECHANISM in Boxing that deserving challengers can use to force World Champions into a ring... That's sad but true... Martinez, Cotto, and Canelo have gotten "exceptions" to fight everybody else but Golovkin for the last 7 years.

Yes there is, that's how Fury got to fight wlad, you fight contenders in eliminators until you're mandatory. Few Champs are just going to go "oh he's good, I mean he's not a particularly big name, but I think he could be a real threat, so rather than taking an easier fight for a similar amount of money I'm going to fight this guy." Like Fury put it he's not just high risk he's low reward, so he either needs to get mandatory, or make himself a big enough name that champ will be willing to take the risk.

Therealjudge wrote:I've never seen a Cuban go about his business like that.. As far as I've seen, their as classy in the ring as they are out of it.. I 100% believe nobody in the top 5 is in any sort of hurry to fight him.. But I do think he is going to come to the fore sooner rather than later.. By the way he does have a belt.. It maybe a paper plate.. But a belt none the less..

Neither. I don't know if Ortiz can speak English either so it'll look funny if he's telling a translator (who normally waters things down) to call whoever clowns etc..

I keep forgetting he's got a belt.