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Worst Rankings ever the best 2 heavyweights in the World Wlad and Tyson arent even ranked... Wlad undisputed king and wrongly stripped Tyson.. Joke off a organisation the Matchroom sponsored IBF

daviddee wrote:Worst Rankings ever the best 2 heavyweights in the World Wlad and Tyson arent even ranked... Wlad undisputed king and wrongly stripped Tyson.. Joke off a organisation the Matchroom sponsored IBF

In fairness not ranking belt holders is fairly standard. I think they are more supposed to be about working your way up to a shot rather than actually the best, though these clowncar rankings shouldn't be used even for that.

With places 1 and 2 empty and the next 4 in eliminators to fill the top 2 spots spots, that effectively means that Glazkov will be No 3 next month and Martin No 5. They will be in eliminators before 2016 ends and one could be mandatory for Joshua by early next year.

mimmy123 wrote:

Horse wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:Im trying to get my head around the fact that hughie Fury is the 14th best heavyweight boxer in the world That means there are only 13 other men on this planet that currently better than him. Ive actually asked my wife to kick me in the bollox to see if im actually dreaming, unfortunately not however shes licking them now so thats a bonus.

He's better than Breazeale.

Thats not the point, well it is if he is rated higher, but listen, 'Hughie Fury is the 14th best heavyweight boxer in the world'. That means only another 13 men on this planet are better than him, 13 men. Thats this many. 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1. thats 13, thats 13 men, only 13 men in the world are better than Hughie Fury, 13, 1 and 3 make 13, its 13.

If you ignore Povetkin, Wilder, Tyson, Klitschko, Ortiz, and have a bit of drawish guys between 15 and 25, then yes 13 could become what you get. Also who knows there are way lower ranked fighters that will simply need more time to prove themself, like Whyte, Spong, that Chinese Ortiz, can't remember his name and so on.

Londonirish wrote:

MarkMcBurney wrote:

Horse wrote:It would be very good.

He would become a credible title holder if he beats the winner of that fight.

Agree with this. Particularly if it's Pulev and he deals with him better than Wlad did. (Or Chisora and deals with him better than Haye did).

Only if its Pulev, he's already Beat Derek twice.............

I was referring to a defence for Joshua, not Fury.

Am I the only one that thinks that Top 15 isn't too bad as governing body rankings go. Especially by IBF standards.

PredatorHayds wrote:Am I the only one that thinks that Top 15 isn't too bad as governing body rankings go. Especially by IBF standards.

I've certainly seen worse. I mean, at least everyone in this top 15 (well, 13) is actually alive.

MarkMcBurney wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:Am I the only one that thinks that Top 15 isn't too bad as governing body rankings go. Especially by IBF standards.

I've certainly seen worse. I mean, at least everyone in this top 15 (well, 13) is actually alive.

That's because there are way too many weightclasses out there, somehow the heavyweight division is too much interesting for such big mistakes

crusader wrote:The Chisora-Pulev winner would be a good second defense.

Not if Pulev wins..... which he will.

Why not?

Don't think AJ would be ready?

I believe fighters involved in a matchup for another world title are removed from the rankings -- hence no Wlad or Pov.
That Said if EH and Joshua want to fight gimmes for a while the IBF rankings are full of them. And who has Parker fought to be ranked 3? I'm certain that with the right promoter any HW with a 15-0 record can get a top 15 abc ranking... even if he'd fought my nan all 15 times.

crusader wrote:Why not?

Don't think AJ would be ready?

I just think it's an unnecessary risk to take at this point. If I was AJ's promoter, I wouldn't take that fight unless it was a mandatory.

Is AJ ready? It's hard to tell as there are still so many questions yet to be answered.

It's the same when Sascha Povetkin lamps Wilder. No way I would put AJ in with Povetkin.

I'll see how Pulev looks against Chisora, but I think he's a bit overrated; he's a solid boxer with snappy punches, but he isn't a big hitter, particularly tough to hit, or especially durable. It wouldn't be a Martin/Breazeale gimme defense, but I don't think Joshua needs to be wrapped in wool and he has shown me enough that I'd favour him over Pulev. With a convincing win in that bout he'd gain significantly more credibility, and I think that's worth the amount of risk that accompanies taking the fight.

Also, I didn't mean 'good' simply in terms of what minimizes risk for team AJ. If that was my mindset I'd applaud bouts against people like Martin and Breazeale, but I'm not.

crusader wrote:I'll see how Pulev looks against Chisora, but I think he's a bit overrated; he's a solid boxer with snappy punches, but he isn't a big hitter, particularly tough to hit, or especially durable. It wouldn't be a Martin/Breazeale gimme defense, but I don't think Joshua needs to be wrapped in wool and he has shown me enough that I'd favour him over Pulev. With a convincing win in that bout he'd gain significantly more credibility, and I think that's worth the amount of risk that accompanies taking the fight.

Also, I didn't mean 'good' simply in terms of what minimizes risk for team AJ. If that was my mindset I'd applaud bouts against people like Martin and Breazeale, but I'm not.

Chisora is finished at top level and I would be stunned if Pulev didn't stop him in this fight.

As I just said in another thread. Out of the boxers in the IBF rankings, only four are available on that date and two of them have already been stopped by Wilder. Breazeale is as good as anyone else available.

Okay....I never suggested that Breazeale was any worse than the other available options.

crusader wrote:Okay....I never suggested that Breazeale was any worse than the other available options.

I didn't say you did mate, I apologize if it came across in the wrong way.

Actually, I think he's probably a worse fighter than Duhaupas and he has no performance as impressive as the latter's destruction of Helenius, but given that he's a big, unbeaten Olympian with a high KO ratio I imagine that he's an easier sell to the casuals.

Either way it seemed like pretty slim picking given who was available.

Taki... wrote:I believe fighters involved in a matchup for another world title are removed from the rankings -- hence no Wlad or Pov.
That Said if EH and Joshua want to fight gimmes for a while the IBF rankings are full of them. And who has Parker fought to be ranked 3? I'm certain that with the right promoter any HW with a 15-0 record can get a top 15 abc ranking... even if he'd fought my nan all 15 times.

There are many 15 0 boxers out there that aren't ranked by any ranking and are out of the top 100 boxrec

crusader wrote:Actually, I think he's probably a worse fighter than Duhaupas and he has no performance as impressive as the latter's destruction of Helenius, but given that he's a big, unbeaten Olympian with a high KO ratio I imagine that he's an easier sell to the casuals.

Either way it seemed like pretty slim picking given who was available.

He's clearly inferior to Duhaupas.

Is there any real debate about that?

asdfjkl wrote:

Taki... wrote:I believe fighters involved in a matchup for another world title are removed from the rankings -- hence no Wlad or Pov.
That Said if EH and Joshua want to fight gimmes for a while the IBF rankings are full of them. And who has Parker fought to be ranked 3? I'm certain that with the right promoter any HW with a 15-0 record can get a top 15 abc ranking... even if he'd fought my nan all 15 times.

There are many 15 0 boxers out there that aren't ranked by any ranking and are out of the top 100 boxrec

Clearly they don't have the right promoter.

Taki... wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Taki... wrote:I believe fighters involved in a matchup for another world title are removed from the rankings -- hence no Wlad or Pov.
That Said if EH and Joshua want to fight gimmes for a while the IBF rankings are full of them. And who has Parker fought to be ranked 3? I'm certain that with the right promoter any HW with a 15-0 record can get a top 15 abc ranking... even if he'd fought my nan all 15 times.

There are many 15 0 boxers out there that aren't ranked by any ranking and are out of the top 100 boxrec

Clearly they don't have the right promoter.

Perhaps, or they are young, or they simply don't have the skills to achieve much higher ranks, either way, it's just a different route, Wilder never boxed someone in his first 25 matches either.

As Takam and Parker are rated after Joshua. The winner of that fight should be mandatory. It's a final eliminator apparently. However it wouldn't really surprise me if Derek beats Pulev the IBF will make him mandatory instead (unless Takam wins). Giving Joshua more time before fighting anyone who could trouble him. I just hope some bum doesn't jump into their none ranked 1 and 2 positions out of nowhere and we see Joshua defending his title against no-hopers.

Exoddus wrote:As Takam and Parker are rated after Joshua. The winner of that fight should be mandatory. It's a final eliminator apparently. However it wouldn't really surprise me if Derek beats Pulev the IBF will make him mandatory instead (unless Takam wins). Giving Joshua more time before fighting anyone who could trouble him. I just hope some bum doesn't jump into their none ranked 1 and 2 positions out of nowhere and we see Joshua defending his title against no-hopers.

If Chisora can beat Pulev then why can't he also beat the relatively untested Joshua?

Horse wrote:

Exoddus wrote:As Takam and Parker are rated after Joshua. The winner of that fight should be mandatory. It's a final eliminator apparently. However it wouldn't really surprise me if Derek beats Pulev the IBF will make him mandatory instead (unless Takam wins). Giving Joshua more time before fighting anyone who could trouble him. I just hope some bum doesn't jump into their none ranked 1 and 2 positions out of nowhere and we see Joshua defending his title against no-hopers.

If Chisora can beat Pulev then why can't he also beat the relatively untested Joshua?

Chisora wouldn't beat Joshua.

Stuarty30 wrote:Chisora wouldn't beat Joshua.

If he can beat Pulev then he can beat Joshua.