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ikorolev wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:
I heard Bunce mention it but not sure where he got his info from. He didn't buy it and thought he'd be around 167-169. Either way I don't think we'll see him back at 154. It's GGG next or he's going to look a proper tool!

Bunce was talking about his own people, they always claimed he weighed 175 come fight night. I've heard elsewhere he was 175, but nobody seems to have a verifiable source. I do have some doubts, 20 lbs is an awful lot of weight to put on in 36 hours. I have heard of similar figures in the past, but to do that routinely, that seems a bit much. 20 lbs is more than 10% of bodyweight for a guy weighing 175 on fight night, the vast majority of which is going to be water weight. That's taking you into the kind of territory where people can die. There may be an element of bollocks here.

Canelo vs Lara - 171
Canelo vs Angulo - 174
Canelo vs Trout - 172

He could have easily been above 175 in his last fights.

I remember Scott Harrison bursting his plums to make feather years ago then after the weigh in he was reported to be well over ten stone on fight night and looked massive.

ikorolev wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:
I heard Bunce mention it but not sure where he got his info from. He didn't buy it and thought he'd be around 167-169. Either way I don't think we'll see him back at 154. It's GGG next or he's going to look a proper tool!

Bunce was talking about his own people, they always claimed he weighed 175 come fight night. I've heard elsewhere he was 175, but nobody seems to have a verifiable source. I do have some doubts, 20 lbs is an awful lot of weight to put on in 36 hours. I have heard of similar figures in the past, but to do that routinely, that seems a bit much. 20 lbs is more than 10% of bodyweight for a guy weighing 175 on fight night, the vast majority of which is going to be water weight. That's taking you into the kind of territory where people can die. There may be an element of bollocks here.

Canelo vs Lara - 171
Canelo vs Angulo - 174
Canelo vs Trout - 172

He could have easily been above 175 in his last fights.

Thanks for that!

Funny that Canelo stopped doing fight night weigh-ins when starting planning a Cotto fight for a MW belt.

MMA fighter Thiago Alves was known to fight at about the 200 mark after weighing in at 170. I seem to remember him tweeting his weight the night of the weigh-in (24 hours before the fight) and he'd already put it back on. Chavez JR must have been cutting something close to that himself. It obviously can be done but surely isn't good in the long run. Both Alves and JR have history of missing weight as well.

Talk of Saul not making 154 again are pretty silly. He'd do it for Mayweather money next week. It's only one more pound. He won't do it again though because he's going to be the A-side in any negotiation that doesn't involve those 2 recently retired welterweights. It's 3 years since he actually had a fight at 154 though.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: 20 lbs is more than 10% of bodyweight for a guy weighing 175 on fight night, the vast majority of which is going to be water weight. That's taking you into the kind of territory where people can die. There may be an element of bollocks here.

The thing is we don't KNOW... Because Canelo is REFUSING to weigh into the ring. Boxers should be FORCED to weigh into the ring and be no higher 10% over their weigh-in weight.. If the contracted weigh-in weight is 155 you can't weigh more than 170.5 pounds into the ring. You can use standard dehydration and rehydration procedures to easily dry out 10%. But to do a whole lot more than that there are sly tricks...

...and since a boxer like Canelo can make 20 or 30 million for a fight he can easily afford to do go to great extremes to reduce liquid weight and add it back after the weigh-in. His team could lease a paramedic style van and skilled medical technicians with all kinds of advanced medical and cryogenic equipment on board to extract bodily fluids. They can preserve them perfectly, then simply replace them an hour or 2 later. If skilled technicians can access your thoracic duct and median cubital vein and extract lymph and blood from your body at a 2.4 to 1 ratio (because you have more than twice as much lymph fluid in your body as you do blood) they can reduce your weight by a fair extent before doing harm to your body. They could persevere your fluids perfectly in that environment and replace them a couple hours later. Somebody’s who’s NOT rich wouldn’t be able to do that. A setup like that could cost 200,000 dollars or much more - if it’s going to be worth somebody’s while setting it up - and compensating everybody to keep their mouths shut. But if you WIN the fight you keep making those monster millions and you can do it. Like Floyd paying Marquez 600,000 dollars so he could weigh 146 instead of 144... Who can afford or want to do that??? Floyd can very easily.

By the way, it took Canelo a really long time to get to the post-fight presser. He said he was too dehydrated for a urine test, so he needed to wait. Why would he be so dehydrated ? Smells fishy.

ikorolev wrote:By the way, it took Canelo a really long time to get to the post-fight presser. He said he was too dehydrated for a urine test, so he needed to wait. Why would he be so dehydrated ? Smells fishy.

He'd just done twelve rounds of boxing?

He didn't rehydrate properly after the weigh in?

As long as he passed the urine eventually what does it matter?

SNG wrote:

ikorolev wrote:By the way, it took Canelo a really long time to get to the post-fight presser. He said he was too dehydrated for a urine test, so he needed to wait. Why would he be so dehydrated ? Smells fishy.

He'd just done twelve rounds of boxing?

He didn't rehydrate properly after the weigh in?

As long as he passed the urine eventually what does it matter?

First of all, it was 5.5 rounds. Second of all, he was drinking between rounds.

Have you read Kalan's post ? They may have been doing some high technology stuff to hide something.

ikorolev wrote:

SNG wrote:

ikorolev wrote:By the way, it took Canelo a really long time to get to the post-fight presser. He said he was too dehydrated for a urine test, so he needed to wait. Why would he be so dehydrated ? Smells fishy.

He'd just done twelve rounds of boxing?

He didn't rehydrate properly after the weigh in?

As long as he passed the urine eventually what does it matter?

First of all, it was 5.5 rounds. Second of all, he was drinking between rounds.

Have you read Kalan's post ? They may have been doing some high technology stuff to hide something.

I don't know why I said 12 rounds!