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MP wrote:

littlepug wrote:I think the blue print was formulated by sugar ray leonard

seriously, littlepug?? SRL fought the best and while the other guy was still in their prime. I'm guessing that you're a young guy and only saw his last few fights at light heavyweight when he was out of his prime, himself.

That is true. SRL fought the best in their prime. SRL and Floyd are not comparable in that respect at all.

Lancenix wrote:

MP wrote:

littlepug wrote:I think the blue print was formulated by sugar ray leonard

seriously, littlepug?? SRL fought the best and while the other guy was still in their prime. I'm guessing that you're a young guy and only saw his last few fights at light heavyweight when he was out of his prime, himself.

That is true. SRL fought the best in their prime. SRL and Floyd are not comparable in that respect at all.

what i meant was leonard had the sort of control over his career and certain fights that has been replicated by the likes of mayweather

The difference between Floyd cherrypicking and Canelo potentially doing so is the zero.

The fact that Floyd was undefeated when he went into cherrypicking mode halfway through his career enabled him to sell PPV to casual fans and even people previously uninterested in sport who hook line and sinker bought the myth that being undefeated equated to all time greatness. Had Floyd at any point lost his zero, PPV buys for his next fight would've crashed hence the classless, moneyworshipping fraud avoided as best he could any genuine live opponents.

Canelo's PPV buyers don't wanna watch him because he's undefeated - they're by and large fans of his and thus if he were to be defeated by GGG they'd rightly hail him for taking the hardest fight out there and would probably be on board for his next fight. He has nothing to lose commercially by taking the GGG fight so in all probability it will happen next.

littlepug wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

MP wrote:
seriously, littlepug?? SRL fought the best and while the other guy was still in their prime. I'm guessing that you're a young guy and only saw his last few fights at light heavyweight when he was out of his prime, himself.

That is true. SRL fought the best in their prime. SRL and Floyd are not comparable in that respect at all.

what i meant was leonard had the sort of control over his career and certain fights that has been replicated by the likes of mayweather

That is also true you are correct. DLH, Floyd and SRL could have all the terms their way for their fights at various points of there career. True.

CaptainSpacerod wrote:The difference between Floyd cherrypicking and Canelo potentially doing so is the zero.

The fact that Floyd was undefeated when he went into cherrypicking mode halfway through his career enabled him to sell PPV to casual fans and even people previously uninterested in sport who hook line and sinker bought the myth that being undefeated equated to all time greatness. Had Floyd at any point lost his zero, PPV buys for his next fight would've crashed hence the classless, moneyworshipping fraud avoided as best he could any genuine live opponents.

Canelo's PPV buyers don't wanna watch him because he's undefeated - they're by and large fans of his and thus if he were to be defeated by GGG they'd rightly hail him for taking the hardest fight out there and would probably be on board for his next fight. He has nothing to lose commercially by taking the GGG fight so in all probability it will happen next.

You are right on about Floyd. I think you are right about Canelo to a point.

drunkenpiper36 wrote: Floyd Mayweather. But since a comment was made about him " cherry picking", I'll post my disagreement. Manny Pac, Juan Marquez, Miguel cotto, Saul Alvarez, etc ... The man was constantly expected to move up in weight ... Alvarez, I'd say give him some time.. He's only 25 years old and has only fought a couple of times at middleweight. If in three years he's still running from the best out there, THEN we can call him a cherry picker

Marquez was forced to jump 2 weight divisions to a catch weight that Floyd DIDN'T MAKE... Floyd paid a 600,000 dollar bonus to Marquez because he didn't want to squeeze an ounce below 146 -- missing the contract weight by 2 pounds.. Miguel Cotto was having coaching problems.. Pedro Diaz also cost him the Austin Trout fight.. Saul Alvarez was forced to fight at a weight he couldn't make without real trouble.. Floyd knew he was having problems making 154 so he made him come to 152 and he was severely weight drained.. And Floyd WAS NOT expected to move up in weight.. He grew and put on weight so he HAD to move up in weight like Pacquiao did... Alvarez doesn't need time... He owns he Lineal Middleweight Title and should be forced to fight the best challenger of vacate the belt.. He's already gotten "exceptions" to fight a chinny Welterweight.. Golovkin has been the MANDATORY challenger for the last 3 Lineal Middleweight Champions and they've all been granted exceptions to fight weaker opposition. It's high time the ducking stopped, and Canelo gets the shot he's been waiting for 6 years... ever since he knocked out Milton Nunez, 21-1, in the first round, to win the interim WBA World Middleweight Championship.

I meant.. "It's high time the ducking stopped, and Gennady Golovkin gets the shot he's been waiting for 6 years... ever since he knocked out Milton Nunez, 21-1, in the first round, to win the interim WBA World Middleweight Championship"

JoeCorrao wrote:

Lackeos wrote:Alvarez can definitely make a billion dollars over the course of his career if he keeps fighting opponents like Khan. He is still so young and he's fought so many fighters with a name already. If Alvarez focused on fighting Pacquiao, Bradley, Garcia, Brook, and Thurman for now; then he could wait and fight the Charlos, Andrade, and Martirosyan when they make more of a name for themselves. If he managed an 8-1 or 7-2 record against that kind of opposition, he would be well on his way towards making a billion. But if I was managing him, I would try to avoid any fights that were 50/50 or worse until he was at least 30. Becoming the billion dollar fighter is built on the back of many small victories.

How many times will people pay to see a mismatch though?

Mayweather - Berto did 550,000 ppv buys. If Alvarez was fighting Berto caliber opponents for $30 million+ each time out, that would be considered a successful career. Mayweather fought and beat a lightweight 120-108 and it generated $56 million. I don't think the public ever stops paying for mismatches after you've made a really big name for yourself by beating a bunch of opponents who also have a following and a recognizable name.

Lancenix wrote:

Luckybattles wrote:

Lancenix wrote:
That does not mean anything though. He fought many of them on their last leg, Marquez went up two weight classes to fight him. I could go on and on. That is flawed logic.

Not only on their last leg but almost all were smaller and some were completely shot. Maidana for example was shot to shitzer when he pulled out a miracle win. Floyd was salivating all over that guy and even gave him a rematch. I cant really hate on floyd because its a business . Only the ignorance of casual fans enabled that.

Well said.

When I say FM fought 10 hall of famers (or probable/borderline), here is who am throwing out there;
Jose Luis Castillo
Arturo Gatti
Oscar De La Hoya
Ricky Hatton
Juan Manuel Marquez
Shane Mosley
Miguel Cotto
Saul Alvarez
Manny Pacquiao
Sharmba Mitchell

Yes some small, some shot...show me a fighter that fought everyone at their prime. The Maidana fights were brilliant in fooling the public into thinking the1st fight as competitive. FM moved up several weight classes in his career too.
Back to Alvarez. He needs to step up and fight the best middleweight if he wants to call himself a middleweight.