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jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:
Not if you have eyes, and you understand that Fury has shown deficiencies that haven't been remedied by fighting Christian Hammer, Joey Abell and the Covent Garden Street Mime.

You can't win against Fury if you try to beat him from distance, like Klitschko tried, Joshua showed exactly that style against Martin recently, so if Joshua doesn't fight aggressive against Fury, there's a good chance Fury will win on points. If Joshua does fight aggressive, then I expect him to win, but he will get hurt himself as well during such a fight. That's why I give Whyte the odds above Joshua for winning this, despite Joshua got better skills in every single way compared to Whyte.

WTF! Joshua hunted Martin down and annihilated him. You're making it sound like he struggled.

The reach advantage is only 3 inches, I think it's less of an issue that you're making it. Joshua isn't a midget.

Yes, but Joshua learned against Whyte that you can't go all in in the first round, so since that fight Joshua tries to fight from distance, that's why he didn't KO Martin in the first round while he easely could. A reach advantage of 3 inch is enough to make the difference, it's the difference between a touch on your nose or a fist halfway through your head.

BitPlayer wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: the idea that Joshua will walk through Fury, because he managed it on domestic level fighters and bellow, is hilarious.

Not if you have eyes, and you understand that Fury has shown deficiencies that haven't been remedied by fighting Christian Hammer, Joey Abell and the Covent Garden Street Mime.

It's not like Joshua hasn't shown vulnerability to body shots, lack of head movement, and stamina issues. No boxer is perfect. His footwork is no where near the level of Fury or Wlad either.

No vulnerability to body, his lack of head movement isn't a massive detriment to his defence as I see it. No stamina issues really, he took it easy for a couple of rounds after being caught by Whyte but came back to stop the guy brutally. I don't see footwork issues, but besides, he could probably win this fight from a wheelbarrow.

asdfjkl wrote:[so if Joshua doesn't fight aggressive against Fury, there's a good chance Fury will win on points.

Good job Joshua always fights aggressively then. He would target that glass chin and land on it. It might take him a few rounds, and Fury might get up once or twice because he has a lot of heart.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:[so if Joshua doesn't fight aggressive against Fury, there's a good chance Fury will win on points.

Good job Joshua always fights aggressively then. He would target that glass chin and land on it. It might take him a few rounds, and Fury might get up once or twice because he has a lot of heart.

Joshua has to catch Fury to test his chin, AJ is too slow and plodding to do so. Fury dances circles around Joshua.
Fury wins this on points with ease...

wesshaw1985 wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:[so if Joshua doesn't fight aggressive against Fury, there's a good chance Fury will win on points.

Good job Joshua always fights aggressively then. He would target that glass chin and land on it. It might take him a few rounds, and Fury might get up once or twice because he has a lot of heart.

Joshua has to catch Fury to test his chin, AJ is too slow and plodding to do so. Fury dances circles around Joshua.
Fury wins this on points with ease...

Tyson 'Pernell Whitaker' Fury

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Riddick Blowe wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:
Good job Joshua always fights aggressively then. He would target that glass chin and land on it. It might take him a few rounds, and Fury might get up once or twice because he has a lot of heart.

Joshua has to catch Fury to test his chin, AJ is too slow and plodding to do so. Fury dances circles around Joshua.
Fury wins this on points with ease...

Tyson 'Pernell Whitaker' Fury

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the AJ-love is strong with this one...

wesshaw1985 wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote: Joshua has to catch Fury to test his chin, AJ is too slow and plodding to do so. Fury dances circles around Joshua.
Fury wins this on points with ease...

Tyson 'Pernell Whitaker' Fury

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the AJ-love is strong with this one...

You don't have to hate Joshua just because of the hype. That goes for any of you. Use your eyes. You can do it. You don't have to just scrutinise records.

Eyes can tell you that Joshua is an offensive danger and Fury isn't a defensive wizard despite outfoxing a man with no functioning arms.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:
Tyson 'Pernell Whitaker' Fury

Love it

the AJ-love is strong with this one...

You don't have to hate Joshua just because of the hype. That goes for any of you. Use your eyes. You can do it. You don't have to just scrutinise records.

how is it "AJ-hate" to predict THE World Heavyweight Champion will defeat him?

Riddick Blowe wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:
Not if you have eyes, and you understand that Fury has shown deficiencies that haven't been remedied by fighting Christian Hammer, Joey Abell and the Covent Garden Street Mime.

It's not like Joshua hasn't shown vulnerability to body shots, lack of head movement, and stamina issues. No boxer is perfect. His footwork is no where near the level of Fury or Wlad either.

No vulnerability to body,

Well if he doesn't then he can barely go 3 rounds. Pretty much a no hoper against a top fighter.

his lack of head movement isn't a massive detriment to his defence as I see it.

Yeah who needs head movement against an outside fighter with a reach advantage?

No stamina issues really, he took it easy for a couple of rounds after being caught by Whyte but came back to stop the guy brutally.

He only got those rounds because Whyte was unfit.

I don't see footwork issues, but besides, he could probably win this fight from a wheelbarrow.

I didn't say it was a major flaw, just not on par with Wlad, let alone Fury.

I would rather look at the style matchup rather than obsessing over a win over a statue that happened to be the heavyweight champ at the time. Fury is The Champ but he is on borrowed time, and it isn't just Joshua who would beat him.

Riddick Blowe wrote:I would rather look at the style matchup rather than obsessing over a win over a statue that happened to be the heavyweight champ at the time. Fury is The Champ but he is on borrowed time, and it isn't just Joshua who would beat him.

Utter rubbish. All he was doing is pointing out betting on the champ is hardly hating, because you accused everyone that disagreed with you of just being a big mean hater.

BitPlayer wrote: Yeah who needs head movement against an outside fighter with a reach advantage?

Certainly not a guy who is going to find his opponent's chin before being hit with anything significant himself.

Besides, if Fury is barely outlanding Wlad Klitschko he's going to be throwing even less against a man with big power who is actually hunting him down.

BitPlayer wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:I would rather look at the style matchup rather than obsessing over a win over a statue that happened to be the heavyweight champ at the time. Fury is The Champ but he is on borrowed time, and it isn't just Joshua who would beat him.

Utter rubbish. All he was doing is pointing out betting on the champ is hardly hating, because you accused everyone that disagreed with you of just being a big mean hater.

The way he phrased it suggested he was tired of the AJ carnival.

Riddick Blowe wrote:I would rather look at the style matchup rather than obsessing over a win over a statue that happened to be the heavyweight champ at the time. Fury is The Champ but he is on borrowed time, and it isn't just Joshua who would beat him.

haha the Fury-hate continues.
I looked at the "style matchup," Fury is a better boxer than AJ with better footwork. AJ is slow, plodding with heavy hands.
Fury dances around AJ to an easy decision.
The same way he danced around "a statue that happened to be the heavyweight champ at the time" and was unbeaten in 11-years taking names such as Povetkin, Haye and Pulev to name but a few.
And whilst we are on the subject of "a statue that happened to be the heavyweight champ at the time" does Martin fall into that category aswell?
Over to you AJs no.1 fan...

Riddick Blowe wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: Yeah who needs head movement against an outside fighter with a reach advantage?

Certainly not a guy who is going to find his opponent's chin before being hit with anything significant himself.

Besides, if Fury is barely outlanding Wlad Klitschko he's going to be throwing even less against a man with big power who is actually hunting him down.

This level of fanboyism is almost comical. But yeah landing 65.4% more punches is just barely outlanding.

wesshaw1985 wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:I would rather look at the style matchup rather than obsessing over a win over a statue that happened to be the heavyweight champ at the time. Fury is The Champ but he is on borrowed time, and it isn't just Joshua who would beat him.

haha the Fury-hate continues.
I looked at the "style matchup," Fury is a better boxer than AJ with better footwork. AJ is slow, plodding with heavy hands.
Fury dances around AJ to an easy decision.
The same way he danced around "a statue that happened to be the heavyweight champ at the time" and was unbeaten in 11-years taking names such as Povetkin, Haye and Pulev to name but a few.
And whilst we are on the subject of "a statue that happened to be the heavyweight champ at the time" does Martin fall into that category aswell?
Over to you AJs no.1 fan...

Fine, I get it. You think the Wlad that turned up is an awe-inspiring win. Congratulations. Martin was terrible, what's your point. I won't bother bumping this when the crushing happens.

BitPlayer wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: Yeah who needs head movement against an outside fighter with a reach advantage?

Certainly not a guy who is going to find his opponent's chin before being hit with anything significant himself.

Besides, if Fury is barely outlanding Wlad Klitschko he's going to be throwing even less against a man with big power who is actually hunting him down.

This level of fanboyism is almost comical. But yeah landing 65.4% more punches is just barely outlanding.

Oh sorry, I didn't realise Fury was a whirlwind of activity in there.

They both stank. Wlad was worse. The end.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:I would rather look at the style matchup rather than obsessing over a win over a statue that happened to be the heavyweight champ at the time. Fury is The Champ but he is on borrowed time, and it isn't just Joshua who would beat him.

haha the Fury-hate continues.
I looked at the "style matchup," Fury is a better boxer than AJ with better footwork. AJ is slow, plodding with heavy hands.
Fury dances around AJ to an easy decision.
The same way he danced around "a statue that happened to be the heavyweight champ at the time" and was unbeaten in 11-years taking names such as Povetkin, Haye and Pulev to name but a few.
And whilst we are on the subject of "a statue that happened to be the heavyweight champ at the time" does Martin fall into that category aswell?
Over to you AJs no.1 fan...

Fine, I get it. You think the Wlad that turned up is an awe-inspiring win. Congratulations. I won't bother bumping this when the crushing happens.

awe-inspiring win or not, he got the job done against THE HW Champ at the time.
I back him to do the job again against Joshua...

wesshaw1985 wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote: haha the Fury-hate continues.
I looked at the "style matchup," Fury is a better boxer than AJ with better footwork. AJ is slow, plodding with heavy hands.
Fury dances around AJ to an easy decision.
The same way he danced around "a statue that happened to be the heavyweight champ at the time" and was unbeaten in 11-years taking names such as Povetkin, Haye and Pulev to name but a few.
And whilst we are on the subject of "a statue that happened to be the heavyweight champ at the time" does Martin fall into that category aswell?
Over to you AJs no.1 fan...

Fine, I get it. You think the Wlad that turned up is an awe-inspiring win. Congratulations. I won't bother bumping this when the crushing happens.

awe-inspiring win or not, he got the job done against THE HW Champ at the time.
I back him to do the job again against Joshua...

Fine, you're entitled to that opinion.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:
Certainly not a guy who is going to find his opponent's chin before being hit with anything significant himself.

Besides, if Fury is barely outlanding Wlad Klitschko he's going to be throwing even less against a man with big power who is actually hunting him down.

This level of fanboyism is almost comical. But yeah landing 65.4% more punches is just barely outlanding.

Oh sorry, I didn't realise Fury was a whirlwind of activity in there.

They both stank. Wlad was worse. The end.

But Joshua's sloppy domestic level brawl with Whyte, where both fighters totally gassed early on, was really the pinnacle of The Sweet Science.

BitPlayer wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: This level of fanboyism is almost comical. But yeah landing 65.4% more punches is just barely outlanding.

Oh sorry, I didn't realise Fury was a whirlwind of activity in there.

They both stank. Wlad was worse. The end.

But Joshua's sloppy domestic level brawl with Whyte, where both fighters totally gassed early on, was really the pinnacle of The Sweet Science.

Don't be silly. Nobody totally gassed. Joshua got caught, that's boxing. His output dropped a bit but he came back and stopped the guy brutally. I could list all of Fury's deficiencies but we all know that he has 'improved' and doesn't do any of that any more.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:
Oh sorry, I didn't realise Fury was a whirlwind of activity in there.

They both stank. Wlad was worse. The end.

But Joshua's sloppy domestic level brawl with Whyte, where both fighters totally gassed early on, was really the pinnacle of The Sweet Science.

Don't be silly. Nobody totally gassed. Joshua got caught, that's boxing. His output dropped a bit but he came back and stopped the guy brutally. I could list all of Fury's deficiencies but we all know that he has 'improved' and doesn't do any of that any more.

Apart from gasping for air, and having trouble moving.

Fighters who 'totally gas' aren't usually capable of continuing the fight, recuperating, winning several more rounds, and stopping his opponent concussively.

Riddick Blowe wrote:Fighters who 'totally gas' aren't usually capable of continuing the fight, recuperating, winning several more rounds, and stopping his opponent concussively.

Because it's rare for both to totally gas.

Joshua is a lot more aggressive than Wlad, but the longer it goes the chance to stop fury diminishes fast.

He'd have to get it done in the first half or I can see him getting halted on his feet. I don't think it goes the distance, there would be too much magnitude surrounding the fight.