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SFW wrote:The Russian cheat is the beginning and end of this debacle. Some gutless hater crying himself to sleep over it is funny, but it's got nothing to do with Wilder. Wilder is just fine, with or without Povetkin.

Not really. this was going to be his big win.

Maybe, who knows. He might not do as well had he faced this juice head pumped full of shit. And nobody forgets a knockout, dubious or legit. Wilder did just what he should have, let the rightful party take the blame.

I am so disappointed! I had been looking forward to this fight. We finally were finally going to see Wilder tested, and Povetkin against a big heavyweight with power.

I haven't been pleased with the level of competition Wilder has been fighting. But I don't blame them for not wanting the fight anymore (I'm not certain they were ever too keen on it to begin with). These guys risk their bodies for a living and these heavyweights punch hard enough as it is. No need to risk your money making future when the other guy might be cheating.

As for Povetkin, it does appear pretty shady. I realize this drug was banned just this year. However, it wasn't a surprise. Everyone knew it was going on the banned list. They had ample time to get off of whatever drug it was prior to the new year.

I am not sure if he will be suspended as no fight actually took place. I can see the WBC putting off the mandatory for a 6 months or so, or possibly having the next ranked guy fulfill the mandatory and not forcing the povetkin fight until 2017.

All in all it is extremely disappointing. This would have been a great fight.

Serragon wrote: Everyone knew it was going on the banned list. They had ample time to get off of whatever drug it was prior to the new year.

i saw a notice released in october by WADA to all organizations about meldonium. povetkin tested positive
in late april. that's over 6 months after the notice to stop taking it, and almost 4 months after the ban on it.
i still haven't seen povetkin's level mentioned by anyone except the promoter, but WADA had released estimated
levels that they believed would reflect the drug flushing out of the system by the end of march. after the
end of march, their labs don't believe anyone who received notice in october would still have any measurable
amount in their system, and even if they continued to take it up to december 31 (playing with fire) WADA still
doesn't believe there should be anything above trace amounts. it will be interesting to see whether ryabinsky
is stating the accurate level povetkin tested for. ryabinsky was trying to shop around for his own lab to avoid
WADA/VADA labs months ago.

there were lots of threads blaming wilder for this:
http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/5708-m ... ry-defense
"WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman has informed WBN that Alexander Povetkin’s
request to delay his world title challenge was the reason behind another voluntary
being granted to current champion Deontay Wilder."

then there were all these threads blaming wilder when povetkin turned down all offers during the
negotiating period and actually predicting wilder would vacate to avoid signing to a povetkin fight.

then ryabinsky wins the purse bid with an amount that surely would have lost him money on the event,
and a week before the fight when wilder has crossed the atlantic and trained his ass off, wilder now
gets blamed on here for povetkin testing for meldonium. if they do fight down the road, i doubt
ryabinsky is going to make another ridiculous bid for it and povetkin will be lucky to get half of what
he was supposed to. at the very least this cost povetkin his last shot at a really big payday.

sucracristo wrote:

Serragon wrote: Everyone knew it was going on the banned list. They had ample time to get off of whatever drug it was prior to the new year.

i saw a notice released in october by WADA to all organizations about meldonium. povetkin tested positive
in late april. that's over 6 months after the notice to stop taking it, and almost 4 months after the ban on it.
i still haven't seen povetkin's level mentioned by anyone except the promoter, but WADA had released estimated
levels that they believed would reflect the drug flushing out of the system by the end of march. after the
end of march, their labs don't believe anyone who received notice in october would still have any measurable
amount in their system, and even if they continued to take it up to december 31 (playing with fire) WADA still
doesn't believe there should be anything above trace amounts. it will be interesting to see whether ryabinsky
is stating the accurate level povetkin tested for. ryabinsky was trying to shop around for his own lab to avoid
WADA/VADA labs months ago.

there were lots of threads blaming wilder for this:
http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/5708-m ... ry-defense
"WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman has informed WBN that Alexander Povetkin’s
request to delay his world title challenge was the reason behind another voluntary
being granted to current champion Deontay Wilder."

then there were all these threads blaming wilder when povetkin turned down all offers during the
negotiating period and actually predicting wilder would vacate to avoid signing to a povetkin fight.

then ryabinsky wins the purse bid with an amount that surely would have lost him money on the event,
and a week before the fight when wilder has crossed the atlantic and trained his ass off, wilder now
gets blamed on here for povetkin testing for meldonium. if they do fight down the road, i doubt
ryabinsky is going to make another ridiculous bid for it and povetkin will be lucky to get half of what
he was suposed to. at the very least this cost povetkin his last shot at a really big payday.

Are you a specialist who performed hundreds of tests and knows exactly how long it takes for a body to get rid of meldonium ? WADA itself introduced allowable levels: 15 micrograms before March 1st and 1 microgram after that. Povetkin's level is 70 (!!!) times below 1 microgram. I am wondering how accurate VADA tests are and what is a smallest amount they can detect.

runner_phob wrote:Are you a specialist who performed hundreds of tests and knows exactly how long it takes for a body to get rid of meldonium ? WADA itself introduced allowable levels: 15 micrograms before March 1st and 1 microgram after that. Povetkin's level is 70 (!!!) times below 1 microgram. I am wondering how accurate VADA tests are and what is a smallest amount they can detect.

VADA uses WADA labs, the same that conduct the olympic testing. you should know that.
you don't know me and i don't know you, so your credentials question is moot when
the fight has been called off not by me or you, but because of the test results at a
WADA accredited lab with samples collected by internationally accredited organizations.
go argue with them if you like. it's a waste of everyone's time, but boards are full of
people like that. you have no idea what the test results were. you are just parroting
the promoter who is on the hook for this fight. when the investigation is complete, then
you will be able to sort through all the facts. have fun with that

1 microgram is an official allowed amount, and I doubt that Ryabinskiy would talk about 70 nanograms if it wasn't true, because it would be quickly disproved by VADA or WBC.

I swear boxing fans must all be scientists.
They know more about drug testing than a doctor friend of mine.
I read him some posts a while back and all he could do us laugh.
He wanted to know where the posters went to medical school.

Thank God he doesn't post here. He would give up on the sport and I wouldn't have a place to watch PPV for free

runner_phob wrote:1 microgram is an official allowed amount, and I doubt that Ryabinskiy would talk about 70 nanograms if it wasn't true, because it would be quickly disproved by VADA or WBC.

Yeah promoters and guys caught doing PED's would never demand they were innocent and deliver false information to the media.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

runner_phob wrote:1 microgram is an official allowed amount, and I doubt that Ryabinskiy would talk about 70 nanograms if it wasn't true, because it would be quickly disproved by VADA or WBC.

Yeah promoters and guys caught doing PED's would never demand they were innocent and deliver false information to the media.

Not if they know there is a hard evidence against them. Povetkin may have taken the stuff after January 1st, but 70 ng is a right number.

runner_phob wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

runner_phob wrote:1 microgram is an official allowed amount, and I doubt that Ryabinskiy would talk about 70 nanograms if it wasn't true, because it would be quickly disproved by VADA or WBC.

Yeah promoters and guys caught doing PED's would never demand they were innocent and deliver false information to the media.

Not if they know there is a hard evidence against them. Povetkin may have taken the stuff after January 1st, but 70 ng is a right number.

That's laughable, they all deny it regardless of the evidence.

Of course it continues. Povetkin did not fail a drug test. He tested at 7% of the allowable concentrations of Meldonium. That's 15 times below the concetrations allowed. That was a drug he was taking last year when it was perfectly legal. When he got word it was going on the banned list he stopped taking it, but as always when a new substance goes on the banned list there is still allowable concentrations of the drug in any athlete who was taking it when it was still perfectly legal. Therefore when those levels show up, you determine the concentration level to see if it's allowable. I don't even know why test information is revealed if it passes muster ... if a boxer is negative for illegal concentrations of every banned substance and drug.

runner_phob wrote:

sucracristo wrote:

Serragon wrote: Everyone knew it was going on the banned list. They had ample time to get off of whatever drug it was prior to the new year.

i saw a notice released in october by WADA to all organizations about meldonium. povetkin tested positive
in late april. that's over 6 months after the notice to stop taking it, and almost 4 months after the ban on it.
i still haven't seen povetkin's level mentioned by anyone except the promoter, but WADA had released estimated
levels that they believed would reflect the drug flushing out of the system by the end of march. after the
end of march, their labs don't believe anyone who received notice in october would still have any measurable
amount in their system, and even if they continued to take it up to december 31 (playing with fire) WADA still
doesn't believe there should be anything above trace amounts. it will be interesting to see whether ryabinsky
is stating the accurate level povetkin tested for. ryabinsky was trying to shop around for his own lab to avoid
WADA/VADA labs months ago.

there were lots of threads blaming wilder for this:
http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/5708-m ... ry-defense
"WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman has informed WBN that Alexander Povetkin’s
request to delay his world title challenge was the reason behind another voluntary
being granted to current champion Deontay Wilder."

then there were all these threads blaming wilder when povetkin turned down all offers during the
negotiating period and actually predicting wilder would vacate to avoid signing to a povetkin fight.

then ryabinsky wins the purse bid with an amount that surely would have lost him money on the event,
and a week before the fight when wilder has crossed the atlantic and trained his ass off, wilder now
gets blamed on here for povetkin testing for meldonium. if they do fight down the road, i doubt
ryabinsky is going to make another ridiculous bid for it and povetkin will be lucky to get half of what
he was suposed to. at the very least this cost povetkin his last shot at a really big payday.

Are you a specialist who performed hundreds of tests and knows exactly how long it takes for a body to get rid of meldonium ? WADA itself introduced allowable levels: 15 micrograms before March 1st and 1 microgram after that. Povetkin's level is 70 (!!!) times below 1 microgram. I am wondering how accurate VADA tests are and what is a smallest amount they can detect.

You ain't a specialist either so shut up. Runner_phob (asdfjkl)

Kalan wrote:Of course it continues. Povetkin did not fail a drug test. He tested at 7% of the allowable concentrations of Meldonium. That's 15 times below the concetrations allowed. That was a drug he was taking last year when it was perfectly legal. When he got word it was going on the banned list he stopped taking it, but as always when a new substance goes on the banned list there is still allowable concentrations of the drug in any athlete who was taking it when it was still perfectly legal. Therefore when those levels show up, you determine the concentration level to see if it's allowable. I don't even know why test information is revealed if it passes muster ... if a boxer is negative for illegal concentrations of every banned substance and drug.

Sorry dingbat the fight does not continue on the scheduled date. As I told everyone before "of course it does not continue". As you know it's now said to be postponed and that's uncertain as well as Povetkin might have to deal with a few things. The only thing that's certain is that's there's no fight on the scheduled date. OK buddy now run along lol.

foxdog1923 wrote:

Kalan wrote:Of course it continues. Povetkin did not fail a drug test. He tested at 7% of the allowable concentrations of Meldonium. That's 15 times below the concetrations allowed. That was a drug he was taking last year when it was perfectly legal. When he got word it was going on the banned list he stopped taking it, but as always when a new substance goes on the banned list there is still allowable concentrations of the drug in any athlete who was taking it when it was still perfectly legal. Therefore when those levels show up, you determine the concentration level to see if it's allowable. I don't even know why test information is revealed if it passes muster ... if a boxer is negative for illegal concentrations of every banned substance and drug.

Sorry dingbat the fight does not continue on the scheduled date. As I told everyone before "of course it does not continue". As you know it's now said to be postponed and that's uncertain as well as Povetkin might have to deal with a few things. The only thing that's certain is that's there's no fight on the scheduled date. OK buddy now run along lol.

There is no allowed level, this isn't testosterone. These guys are emphatically dense.

It might come off... After about 18 months of renegotiation, when Povetkin is around 38, and after both have acquired a loss from someone else - making the event worth fvckall.