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Kalan wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Jordan is a one in a billion athlete. Boxing ain't that difficult to learn. So surely he mops the floor with Roberto.

"""Boxing ain't that difficult to learn. ""

Maybe you should ask Too Tall Jones about that.

I never said "Boxing ain't that difficult to learn" ... That's you misquoting me. But in fact, Boxing is pretty basic.. It's not rocket science

And maybe YOU should ask Too Tall Jones.. Too Tall Jones learned Boxing quickly and won ALL his professional fights, SIX (6-0) FIGHTS, in a 2-month career... In his 3rd pro fight (Too Tall had no amateur fights) he smashed Fernando Montes, 18-12, 1 out in 41 seconds.. Montes had beaten Manuel Ramos a title challenger to Joe Frazier - but Too Tall was dissatisfied with the competition.. Too Tall told his managers and trainers "LOOK... I've only been boxing for 2 months, but I run hard, work hard, and practice 6-7 hours a day.. I'm learning a lot about Boxing and starting to feel very comfortable that opponents cannot hit me.. From now on you're going to have to find me tougher opponents than this Montes guy. I don't want to work this hard and fight 41 second fights." ...

Too Tall's managers tried hard... but they couldn't find ANY decent fighter who would get into a ring with Too Tough Jones. His last 2 opponents were his worst ever opponents...and maybe they only fought Too Tall because they were desperate to pay the rent or whatever... What's the solution to this??? Who's going to fight a man 6'9" X 255 with an 88" reach (longer than ANY Heavyweight Champion EVER) who's a terrific athlete and can rip your fkking head off once Too Tall learned how to box a little bit??? ... Did anyone ever BEAT Too Tall Jones???? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Too Tall only quit because he couldn't get appropriate opponents.

Too Tall was a Terrible boxer. What I mean by "terrible" is no where near the top 50. He was almost knocked out in his first fight. He couldn't jab and had little power. Regarding Montes having beaten Ramos, it was by DQ and Ramos had lost 12 straight! Too Tall quit because he found out he couldn't fight on anywhere near a contender's level.

Mark Gastineau and Alonzo Highsmith had winning records too. Highsmith was the best of the 3, but he was never in the top 25. Lucky if he was in the top 50. I never said you said that ridiculous quote about boxing "Being easy to learn," I was merely responding to it.

Tony, thanks for your thoughts.

Seriously, you can do a lot damage with facts. And Kalan just showed you what I'm talking about. Ramos was far past washed up when this nobody beats Ramos, but THAT is the fact that Kalan drops into the equation for effect. And to drive his point home.

Ay yi yi......I love the factitional genre that Kalan champions here, but it does force one to use their noggin.


Jerry Quarry was beaten by a nobody at his career's end....(they dont' deserve their name to be dropped here, so I wont') and so this person has "bragging rights" that they beat Quarry. I suppose if that guy ever played basketball, Kalan will be sewing that tidbit into these conversations as well.

He may be just a gibberish, gobbledeegook, and malarkey expert,

But he's OUR gibberish, gobbledeegook and malarkey expert!

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Kalan wrote:How's he gonna box???

By punching people in the face

Let's just say Michael Jordon wouldn't be punching anybody in the face very hard... Look at MJ he's freakin' weak.. Jimmy Young would beat him up.. Jordan swung a baseball bat with all the power of Lucie Arnaz.. He had a good eye and was a dead accurate shooter, but the first time he was hit on the chin he'd be out for the night.. Tommy Hearns without the power.. When somebody else grabbed a rebound at the same time as Wilt Chamberlain on the offensive end of the court, he would frequently move the ball towards the basket rather than bothering to rip the ball away first.. Why waste time? It's his anyway. He could outrebound entire teams and once grabbed 55 for the NBA record. Jordan would get about 6, and forget it if he had to fight somebody for it.

Kalan wrote:
(Too Tall had no amateur fights)

Actually Jones did box, he was in the Golden Gloves and says he was denied the chance to fight for the championship. Boxing is his favourite sport,he was bought up on it as his father was a big fan which is why he wanted to try it professionally. He also said boxing training and NFL training are completely different and boxing training was very difficult but it helped his football career and made his reactions faster, not the other way around.

Tony1244 wrote: Too Tall was a Terrible boxer. What I mean by "terrible" is no where near the top 50. He was almost knocked out in his first fight. He couldn't jab and had little power. Regarding Montes having beaten Ramos, it was by DQ and Ramos had lost 12 straight! Too Tall quit because he found out he couldn't fight on anywhere near a contender's level.

Mark Gastineau and Alonzo Highsmith had winning records too. Highsmith was the best of the 3, but he was never in the top 25. Lucky if he was in the top 50. I never said you said that ridiculous quote about boxing "Being easy to learn," I was merely responding to it.

Gastineau was horrible boxer no doubt. He had size and strength, but no aptitude or talent for Boxing and not a shred of cleverness. He had the worst possible crap trainers who never taught him any basics at all.. Highsmith was a fair boxer.. He had some fundamental skills, but lacked size, strength, and punching power.. He beat the crap out of Gastineau in the most ludicrous mismatch in Boxing History.. A sub-novice amateur is not even supposed to enter the ring for sparring unless he has much better fundamental skills than Gastineau so it was the biggest joke of all time.

You can't compare those guys to Too Tall Jones. He was far bigger, taller, stronger and a harder trainer. He wasn't almost knocked out in his first fight.. He was hit with a devastating shot while he was DOWN on the canvas.. His opponent should have been DQ'd but he recovered nicely and won his debut.. Too Tall said he was hit harder in football and they would send him out for the next play.. He said "I'm learning but I could fight again tomorrow. He hit me while I was down and not defending myself, but I got up okay was fine for the next round." He fought his 2nd fight 10 days later and he and fought Montes 11 days after that ... so you know he wasn't hurt. Too Tall wanted to fight every week and asked if that were possible so he could learn how to box a lot faster. "We played Football every week." It was only when they couldn't find him competitive opponents that he knew a Boxing career wouldn't work. Highsmith could get opponents because he was small. He just didn't have any talent.

Jordan will win, he's got knockout height.

Kalan wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Kalan wrote:How's he gonna box???

By punching people in the face

Let's just say Michael Jordon wouldn't be punching anybody in the face very hard... Look at MJ he's freakin' weak.. Jimmy Young would beat him up.. Jordan swung a baseball bat with all the power of Lucie Arnaz.. He had a good eye and was a dead accurate shooter, but the first time he was hit on the chin he'd be out for the night.. Tommy Hearns without the power.. When somebody else grabbed a rebound at the same time as Wilt Chamberlain on the offensive end of the court, he would frequently move the ball towards the basket rather than bothering to rip the ball away first.. Why waste time? It's his anyway. He could outrebound entire teams and once grabbed 55 for the NBA record. Jordan would get about 6, and forget it if he had to fight somebody for it.

How do you know Jordan would get knocked out the first time he was hit on the chin?

How do you know he would be Hearns without the power?

keithmoonhangover wrote:
How do you know Jordan would get knocked out the first time he was hit on the chin?

How do you know he would be Hearns without the power?

It's pretty obvious, MJ was busy looking at sneaker designs and all that looking down at the designs weakened his neck. WC slept in worse beds too but that strengthened his neck as the pillows weren't as good. Plus WC tipped a lot of bell-boys so his hand was forever in and out of his pocket which gave him incredible hand speed. Keep up.

Kalan wrote:

Tony1244 wrote: Too Tall was a Terrible boxer. What I mean by "terrible" is no where near the top 50. He was almost knocked out in his first fight. He couldn't jab and had little power. Regarding Montes having beaten Ramos, it was by DQ and Ramos had lost 12 straight! Too Tall quit because he found out he couldn't fight on anywhere near a contender's level.

Mark Gastineau and Alonzo Highsmith had winning records too. Highsmith was the best of the 3, but he was never in the top 25. Lucky if he was in the top 50. I never said you said that ridiculous quote about boxing "Being easy to learn," I was merely responding to it.

Gastineau was horrible boxer no doubt. He had size and strength, but no aptitude or talent for Boxing and not a shred of cleverness. He had the worst possible crap trainers who never taught him any basics at all.. Highsmith was a fair boxer.. He had some fundamental skills, but lacked size, strength, and punching power.. He beat the crap out of Gastineau in the most ludicrous mismatch in Boxing History.. A sub-novice amateur is not even supposed to enter the ring for sparring unless he has much better fundamental skills than Gastineau so it was the biggest joke of all time.

You can't compare those guys to Too Tall Jones. He was far bigger, taller, stronger and a harder trainer. He wasn't almost knocked out in his first fight.. He was hit with a devastating shot while he was DOWN on the canvas.. His opponent should have been DQ'd but he recovered nicely and won his debut.. Too Tall said he was hit harder in football and they would send him out for the next play.. He said "I'm learning but I could fight again tomorrow. He hit me while I was down and not defending myself, but I got up okay was fine for the next round." He fought his 2nd fight 10 days later and he and fought Montes 11 days after that ... so you know he wasn't hurt. Too Tall wanted to fight every week and asked if that were possible so he could learn how to box a lot faster. "We played Football every week." It was only when they couldn't find him competitive opponents that he knew a Boxing career wouldn't work. Highsmith could get opponents because he was small. He just didn't have any talent.

Yes its possible Jones was better than Highsmith but neither were very good boxers. I looked for Jones' debut against Meneses where he was almost knocked out in the last round but I couldn't find it. Jones stopped boxing because he knew he had no where to go. If he had started when he was much younger perhaps he could have found more success. Boxing is very hard to learn later in life. Lyle was amazing considering his late start. Perhaps Wilt could have beaten a Stamford Harris type guy, but Ali never.

Tony1244 wrote:I looked for Jones' debut against Meneses where he was almost knocked out in the last round but I couldn't find it. Jones stopped boxing because he knew he had no where to go. If he had started when he was much younger perhaps he could have found more success. Boxing is very hard to learn later in life. Lyle was amazing considering his late start. Perhaps Wilt could have beaten a Stamford Harris type guy, but Ali never

This wasn't "later in life" ... this was Too Tall Jones's athletic prime... Jones was NOT almost knocked out in the Menese fight. In the first round Jones was pushed down, and Meneses hit Jones (who was on the floor) with a savage left hook while he was down. The referee admitted that he should have DQ'd Meneses... If Too Tall was hurt, why would he keep sparring and training and fight 10 days later??? 21 days later he fought Fernando Montes (a better Heavyweight) and had advanced his skills so much in 21 days that he knocked out Montes in 41 seconds.

Meneses later fought Montes and was knocked out in 7 rounds. Meneses scored 3 straight wins over opponents with winning records going into his Montes fight, but he was overpowered and stopped. That's the guy Too Tall fought in his pro debut versus the guys who Too Tall dispatched in 41 seconds in his 3rd pro fight 21 days later. He was getting better quickly.

Too Tall Jones did NOT quit his boxing career because he didn't find success.. That's an idiotic notion.. He WON ALL his fights.. After his pro debut he KNOCKED OUT ALL his opponents.. The only success he WASN'T finding is getting ANY decent or appropriate opponent to fight him - because he was progressing so fast they were sure to get knocked out. It became a ridiculous display of guys looking for a paycheck, not throwing any punches at Too Tall, retreating to the ropes, and getting butchered. That's not a Boxing career. You need opponents for a boxing career and nobody wanted Too Tall.

Well there ya have it everybody. The best 2 boxers of all time are Wilt Chamberlain and Ed "Too Tall" Jones. I guess there's nothing left to debate anymore except for who would win between Chamberlain and Jones. I'm thinking the Earth would explode from the force of their punches.

Controversial wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
How do you know Jordan would get knocked out the first time he was hit on the chin?

How do you know he would be Hearns without the power?

It's pretty obvious, MJ was busy looking at sneaker designs and all that looking down at the designs weakened his neck. WC slept in worse beds too but that strengthened his neck as the pillows weren't as good. Plus WC tipped a lot of bell-boys so his hand was forever in and out of his pocket which gave him incredible hand speed. Keep up.

gilgamesh wrote:Well there ya have it everybody. The best 2 boxers of all time are Wilt Chamberlain and Ed "Too Tall" Jones. I guess there's nothing left to debate anymore except for who would win between Chamberlain and Jones. I'm thinking the Earth would explode from the force of their punches.

You Got It

gilgamesh wrote:Well there ya have it everybody. The best 2 boxers of all time are Wilt Chamberlain and Ed "Too Tall" Jones. I guess there's nothing left to debate anymore except for who would win between Chamberlain and Jones. I'm thinking the Earth would explode from the force of their punches.

Some of you guys are killing me!

My money would be on Wilt, because he was really, really, really tall & athletic, whereas Jones was just really, really tall & athletic.

Syntax Error wrote:My money would be on Wilt, because he was really, really, really tall & athletic, whereas Jones was just really, really tall & athletic

They were both really big, really tall, and really strong... with really long arms... But did you ever think those weren't the reasons they were so formidable and nobody wanted to fight them??? Could you get your tiny brain around another concept? That they were exceptional athletes in addition to being so big, strong, tall, long? ... Maybe they both learned really fast? ... After all, big, fat Tyson Fury has a marshmallow for a physique. He doesn't watch his diet. He doesn't train very hard. He's not a good athlete. but he's 6'9" X a fat 250 for a fight. When he's not fighting he might be 300 pounds. But this fat fk is the undefeated Heavyweight Champion of the World. So being a giant has to have SOME kind of advantage, because what to you think Wilt or Too Tall would do to this fat fk???

You see, Too Tall fought Meneses and got hammered by a foul blow when he was down. But he got up and won the fight.. 21 days later he's fighting his 3rd pro fight that same month (Nov of 79). How many professional fighters fight 3 fights the same month??? Right! Anyway...with 3 weeks of pro experience he dispatches Fernando Montes, a 18-12-1 fighter in 41 seconds. So that represents the high point of his career, the last opponent who thought he might win. Lo and behold nobody wanted to fight Too Tall after that, not Meneses or anybody else. They get 3 bums to fight him when he's begging for guys who can fight back. Obviously, when you fight better fighters you learn something and learn O from guys who can't fight back. Meneses fought Montes later and got knocked out. I think that shows how fast Too Tall, who was in the gym every day, picked up Boxing.

Ah well see that changes everything guys. "Too Tall" Jones could get hit while on the ground and low blowed and fouled every which way imaginable and he'd still win the fight. Now I'd have to say he beats Wilt I mean the guy is tough as nails.

It's time to take "tall". Out of the equation.


I've had it with all these tall tales.



So let's put tommy burns who stands 5'7 in the ring with spud Webb, two men one height. Now it's an even Steven situation. B-baller vs former hw champ.


How long before spud turns out the lights on the shortest hw champ of all time?

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Kalan wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
By punching people in the face

Let's just say Michael Jordon wouldn't be punching anybody in the face very hard... Look at MJ he's freakin' weak.. Jimmy Young would beat him up.. Jordan swung a baseball bat with all the power of Lucie Arnaz.. He had a good eye and was a dead accurate shooter, but the first time he was hit on the chin he'd be out for the night.. Tommy Hearns without the power.. When somebody else grabbed a rebound at the same time as Wilt Chamberlain on the offensive end of the court, he would frequently move the ball towards the basket rather than bothering to rip the ball away first.. Why waste time? It's his anyway. He could outrebound entire teams and once grabbed 55 for the NBA record. Jordan would get about 6, and forget it if he had to fight somebody for it.

How do you know Jordan would get knocked out the first time he was hit on the chin?

How do you know he would be Hearns without the power?

Kalan. Any chance of an answer to the above questions?

He Knows......He Knows.....

stop with the doubts and uncertainty.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Kalan wrote:
Let's just say Michael Jordon wouldn't be punching anybody in the face very hard... Look at MJ he's freakin' weak.. Jimmy Young would beat him up.. Jordan swung a baseball bat with all the power of Lucie Arnaz.. He had a good eye and was a dead accurate shooter, but the first time he was hit on the chin he'd be out for the night.. Tommy Hearns without the power.. When somebody else grabbed a rebound at the same time as Wilt Chamberlain on the offensive end of the court, he would frequently move the ball towards the basket rather than bothering to rip the ball away first.. Why waste time? It's his anyway. He could outrebound entire teams and once grabbed 55 for the NBA record. Jordan would get about 6, and forget it if he had to fight somebody for it.

How do you know Jordan would get knocked out the first time he was hit on the chin?

How do you know he would be Hearns without the power?

Kalan. Any chance of an answer to the above questions?

As to power it stands to reason.. Did you ever see Jordan swing a baseball bat?? HIs cuts weren't very impressive and the ball didn't go over the wall when he got a good piece of it. You can't teach power. Bo Jackson and Deon Sanders were NFL guys who played Major League Baseball. They swung the bat with great looking cuts and could send the ball out of here if they got good wood on it. They also looked tough. Like if they'd be really good at Boxing if they wanted to take a shot at it. Jordan looked a little wimpy.

And as for Jordan's ability to take a punch I go by facial, head, and neck structure. For instance Floyd Mayweather can take a real good shot and his dad could take a medium shot.. But his uncle Roger was out if you hit him good.. Even siblings can grab totally different genes, like the Klitschkos. Vitali has a rock solid looking countenance. Wlad's chin and jaw structure looks average - so he was less of a mixer with more fear and angst.

So what your sayin is "it's the catcher, not the pitcher"?

BoxBuzz wrote:So what your sayin is "it's the catcher, not the pitcher"?

LOL... It's kind of like that.. Because whatever happens you're going to catch a few shots no matter how many guys you FLATTEN!!!

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑24 May 2016, 15:59 Jordan is a one in a billion athlete. Boxing ain't that difficult to learn. So surely he mops the floor with Roberto.

LeBron would be (have been, perhaps) one hell of a boxer: a fast & furious, heavy handed, in-fighting knockout artist.
Not to mention both his strong mind, and his crowd-pleasing, spectacular style.
He would be something pretty close to Jack Johnson, or Lennox Lewis.

Jordan would've been great at anything fitting his body-assets: baseball player, 100m sprinter, football, soccer, or volleyball player, any type of fighter (any kind of MMA, so: taekwondo, wrestling, boxing of course, jiu jitsu, etc.), porn star...
...not marathoner or marcher, of course, he's too heavily built: usually, the most successful long-distance runners are from Eastern Africa: Kenya and Ethiopia, for example.
Then, of course, most Africans don't figure out at both top-level skiing and swimming, for some reason, but who knows what His Majesty Jordan would have done with that.

You might want to edit that Jac...

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