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sucracristo wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:You can't be punished for taking a LEGAL drug which some think may be performance enhancing. Protein drinks, vitamins and healthy food are also performance enhancing

WADA law is not government law, so we are playing word games with the term "legal".
russia's FDA is almost non-existant. if something isn't criminal to buy, then it is probably
available over the counter in pill or powder or whatever form. there are no protein drinks,
supplements, or foods with meldonium as an ingredient, and comparing meldonium with
suppplements or things normally found in the food supply is twisted. you're telling me
if last fall i took out a soup spoon and handed it to you full of a powder (like the stuff you're
comparing it to) and told you to eat it, and when you asked i told you it was medonium,
you would have eagerly ate it? even right now i seriously doubt you know what meldonium
could do to your heart rhythm and blood pressure and serious ellergic reactions. povetkin
did NOT get this crap in protein powder. he got it from a doctor, either directly or indirectly,
and so did all those other russians. they don't just start eating random chemicals from under
the kitchen sink hoping it will make them better athletes. the russians sports federations had
doctors prescribing this stuff and monitoring the athletes. that is how povetkin got it.
sharapova was even more ridiculous when she claimed "a family doctor" (in latvia, where it
is made) prescribed it, even though she has been living full time in the usa since she
was like 7 years old and meldonium is not an FDA approved drug. coincidentally,
after testing positive for it, povetkin claims the last time he took it was EXACTLY when
WADA notified the federations and coaches to stop using it, almost to the day. why didn't
he mention it before testing positive? ryabinsky was trying to avoid testing at wada labs
months ago after winnning the purse bid, claiming that he would find his own european
lab to do the testing. they all already knew this could be an issue back then and tried
to lie and cheat around it, but it didn't work.

Kalan wrote:I love the cute wording being used in this corrupt power play to allow Wilder to fight more cherry picks like his last 3 challengers... WBC's "Clean Boxing Program" and "Adverse Result" ... What they're NOT saying is Povetkin failed any of his tests because he PASSED them all with FLYING COLORS.... He had a minute percentage of the allowable about of Meldonium in his system for the most “adverse” test he took - and most of them were clear. The allow concentration of Meldonium in ANY test that Povetkin took is any concentration under 1 microgram per milliliter. Povetkin had 70 nanograms per milliliter in his most adverse test - which simply means he was less hydrated than the other tests but that concentration is still very minute. If Povetkin’s had a 14 times higher concentration in his system (980 nanograms) he still would have passed the test – and the fight would normally go forward… It’s NOT going forward because of corruption and anger over American promoters being outbid by Russian promoters for the fight. I believe Wilder’s team, the brazen WBC, and other parties are going to see legal action to remedy this.

boxing_rocks wrote:

keirw wrote:

Horse wrote:He should have just fought Povetkin.

Nonsense.
Boxing gets a bad enough rap as it is, without major governing bodies sanctioning a fight involving a man who recently failed a drugs test.

Nobody failed anything until the investigation is over. Povetkin tested positive but under a certain limit which doesn't cause automatic DQ. Theoretically, that could be traces of what he took before the ban.

boxing_rocks wrote:You think Wilder is clean ? He is dumb, but not that dumb to give others such advantage.

keirw wrote:

Horse wrote:He should have just fought Povetkin.

Nonsense.
Boxing gets a bad enough rap as it is, without major governing bodies sanctioning a fight involving a man who recently failed a drugs test.

foxdog1923 wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote: Would you happen to know why he took it?

It's a question the prosecution will hit him with should it go to court. Obviously he was in fighting shape last year and that means he was healthy so then begs the question why.

He had all rights to take legal substances.

Ok, that response would get him a guilty verdict if it was court. Obviously you don't know.

It doesn't answer why a perfectly healthy individual would take Meldonium.

Lackeos wrote: Perfectly healthy individuals go to GNC and take NO2 all the time. It claims to be a vasodilator and it's legal. Meldonium is a vasodilator and it was legal when Povetkin took it.

Lackeos wrote: There's actual millions of healthy people who take legal vasodilators just like Povetkin was.

SFW wrote:And boom goes the dynamite.

Povetkin has been suspect for awhile, so it's no suprise. At least he got caught.

Tony1244 wrote:This is good.

Everyone wanted to see Wilder-Povetkin.

I hope Wilder fights Pulev.

Molina and Duhaupas don't look so bad after they beat Adamek and Helenius respectively.

True, Adamek is a bit passed it, but Helenius was supposed to be the 2nd coming of the Klitschkos.

Lackeos wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
He had all rights to take legal substances.

Ok, that response would get him a guilty verdict if it was court. Obviously you don't know.

It doesn't answer why a perfectly healthy individual would take Meldonium.

Perfectly healthy individuals go to GNC and take NO2 all the time. It claims to be a vasodilator and it's legal. Meldonium is a vasodilator and it was legal when Povetkin took it.

There's actual millions of healthy people who take legal vasodilators just like Povetkin was.

asdfjkl wrote:

SFW wrote:And boom goes the dynamite.

Povetkin has been suspect for awhile, so it's no suprise. At least he got caught.

:S
Povetkin suspect? That's just silly talk, he isn't even muscled and he's training like a beast for about 3 years.
He's completely natural. Actually Wilder seems to be a lot more suspicious recently, he gained a hell of a lot of weight all of a sudden.

SFW wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

SFW wrote:And boom goes the dynamite.

Povetkin has been suspect for awhile, so it's no suprise. At least he got caught.

:S
Povetkin suspect? That's just silly talk, he isn't even muscled and he's training like a beast for about 3 years.
He's completely natural. Actually Wilder seems to be a lot more suspicious recently, he gained a hell of a lot of weight all of a sudden.

I believe he looks different than he has in the past, a poll would be nice to see what others think.

asdfjkl wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:This is good.

Everyone wanted to see Wilder-Povetkin.

I hope Wilder fights Pulev.

Molina and Duhaupas don't look so bad after they beat Adamek and Helenius respectively.

True, Adamek is a bit passed it, but Helenius was supposed to be the 2nd coming of the Klitschkos.

Adamek isn't even a natural heavyweight and if you've seen Helenius in his showfights recently you would have known he's nothing good either...

Duhaupas is an okay French guy, but he would probably lose against Hughie Fury or kids like that.

Tony1244 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:This is good.

Everyone wanted to see Wilder-Povetkin.

I hope Wilder fights Pulev.

Molina and Duhaupas don't look so bad after they beat Adamek and Helenius respectively.

True, Adamek is a bit passed it, but Helenius was supposed to be the 2nd coming of the Klitschkos.

Adamek isn't even a natural heavyweight and if you've seen Helenius in his showfights recently you would have known he's nothing good either...

Duhaupas is an okay French guy, but he would probably lose against Hughie Fury or kids like that.

I'm not sure there are 10 guys today who could beat Hughie Fury.

crusader wrote:For the last few years the question has been raised of his possible PED use, and hence this questioning started before the substance he got caught with was banned. If words like 'dirty' mean using substances that are prohibited at the time, then there still isn't proof that AP was dirty for any of his fights, and likewise, the recent positive test doesn't mean that Wilder was correct last year when he accused Povetkin of using proscribed substances.

Had this bout occured in 2015 around the time when Povetkin became mandatory, his meldonium use would've been perfectly okay.

asdfjkl wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Adamek isn't even a natural heavyweight and if you've seen Helenius in his showfights recently you would have known he's nothing good either...

Duhaupas is an okay French guy, but he would probably lose against Hughie Fury or kids like that.

I'm not sure there are 10 guys today who could beat Hughie Fury.

Klitschko, Povetkin, AJ, Ortiz, his cousin, Whyte, Takam, Parker, Wilder, Haye... I'm quite confident there are, I think even Tyrone Spong could do it with a bit of luck.