THE CORRUPT WBC SLIDES WILDER PAST POVETKIN

[Freedom2013]

Wilder is happy now, he doesn't need to face a decent opponent.

Gerald Washington hopeful of possible shot at Deontay Wilder

[greg]

...my understanding is that irrespective of how small this nanogram might seem to be, it is still the STANDARD unit of measure when dealing with cutoff levels...

[lefty]

I got talking to a pharmacist on another forum and here's what he said on the matter ....

"I'm a pharmacist, and while four months isn't impossible, it's extremely unusual. I find it even harder to believe in somebody like Povetkin, who would have a very high cell turnover compared to the average person. Also most drugs that stick around this long do so by hanging out in fat cells of adipose tissue. Povetkin's body would have likely been breaking down fat cells at much much higher rate than usual.
I haven't been able to find as much as I'd like about this particular drug and it seems like there's just not a whole lot known about it.
All that said, this sounds a whole lot to me like he took it post ban. Hard for me to believe that he could have taken this four (or more) months ago and passed several tests in the meantime, only for it to suddenly pop. Not impossible, but extraordinarily unlikely."

[Kalan]

He was probably trying to micro dose and fucked it up, hence the previous negative results within the same month.

Right...just use ignorant speculation and innuendo. Ignore the facts: which tell us that NONE of Povetkin's test were positive for Meldonium concentrations of 1 microgram or higher - which was needed to fail his tests. The WBC isn't telling us the test levels because they know Povetkin passed them all with flying colors, being that his concentrations NEVER exceeded the allowed levels - and in fact he had 1/14th the allowable concentrations.

[Kalan]

Again, are you speaking from any actual knowledge of the testing procedures? Or are you just speculating? It's not like they can't detect hydration levels in blood and urine. If VADA operates with a modicum of scientific rigor, this would be accounted for.

YOU'RE speculating.. They don't test for hydration levels. They test for the concentration per milliliter and if you have over the allowed amount you FAIL the test regardless of your hydration levels.. They're going by a time frame, since they didn't notify anyone Meldonium was going on the banned list until late last year. Therefore using a timeline to allow for minute concentrations to leave the body makes sense, and the standard for the timeframe Povetkin was tested during was 1 microgram.. And Povetkin highest reading was 70 nanograms so he passed with flying colors since that is less than 1/14th of 1 microgram. The American promoters and the WBC have blown this up into a Tempest in a Teapot to retain America's ONLY Heavyweight Champion in a long time. They can now fight Gerald Washington or other easy opponents one after another, like Wilder has been doing since he beat Stiverne. And those promotions are not going to be bid on by Russia, England, or Germany - and they can make tons of money with their "Heavyweight Champion of the World"

[ttornado]

It seems highly doubtful the concentrations in the blood would go UP if the drug hasn't been taken for several months. The only way this makes sense is if the detected amount is within the margin of error, which we don't have any evidence to support.

Maybe two months for a fat soluble drug at the extreme end of the detectable range. It's about how the test is conducted, which I believe was blood or urine. So if a drug is released from the fat into the blood stream it becomes detectable. The margin of error won't be an issue when using gas chromatography or mass spectometry as the resolution is much higher than the figures discussed here.

[ttornado]

timeframe Povetkin was tested during was 1 microgram.. "

Not true, Povetkin was tested in April, this limit ended in February

[jujigatame]

Again, are you speaking from any actual knowledge of the testing procedures? Or are you just speculating? It's not like they can't detect hydration levels in blood and urine. If VADA operates with a modicum of scientific rigor, this would be accounted for.

YOU'RE speculating.. They don't test for hydration levels. They test for the concentration per milliliter and if you have over the allowed amount you FAIL the test regardless of your hydration levels.. They're going by a time frame, since they didn't notify anyone Meldonium was going on the banned list until late last year. Therefore using a timeline to allow for minute concentrations to leave the body makes sense, and the standard for the timeframe Povetkin was tested during was 1 microgram.. And Povetkin highest reading was 70 nanograms so he passed with flying colors since that is less than 1/14th of 1 microgram. The American promoters and the WBC have blown this up into a Tempest in a Teapot to retain America's ONLY Heavyweight Champion in a long time. They can now fight Gerald Washington or other easy opponents one after another, like Wilder has been doing since he beat Stiverne. And those promotions are not going to be bid on by Russia, England, or Germany - and they can make tons of money with their "Heavyweight Champion of the World"

You keep repeating that 70 nanograms is less than 1 microgram, and keep ignoring the fact that the amount in his blood went UP between tests.

[Freedom2013]

You keep repeating that 70 nanograms is less than 1 microgram, and keep ignoring the fact that the amount in his blood went UP between tests.

What you fail to understand: it didn't necessarily go up. The amount is tiny, a TRACE - it can easily be missed, and found later because it's just a trace.

You really don't seem to understand, that's why people "keep repeating".

[Freedom2013]

Riverside's Chris Arreola looks likely to face Deontay Wilder in heavyweight title bout

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[ttornado]

What you fail to understand: it didn't necessarily go up. The amount is tiny, a TRACE - it can easily be missed, and found later because it's just a trace.

What was the detection method used?
The most sensitive methods can easily detect these quantities, as they can detect at a molecular level.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

What you fail to understand: it didn't necessarily go up. The amount is tiny, a TRACE - it can easily be missed, and found later because it's just a trace.

What was the detection method used?
The most sensitive methods can easily detect these quantities, as they can detect at a molecular level.

Their method is listening to the busted fighters promoter.

[gp.]

You keep repeating that 70 nanograms is less than 1 microgram, and keep ignoring the fact that the amount in his blood went UP between tests.

What you fail to understand: it didn't necessarily go up. The amount is tiny, a TRACE - it can easily be missed, and found later because it's just a trace.

You really don't seem to understand, that's why people "keep repeating".

Christ, it doesn't matter how small the amount is. THAT'S THE AMOUNT THEY TEST FOR. If he's above the allowed limit, he's above the allowed limit. It's set at that level for a reason.

IF he ISN'T above the allowed limit (and I very much doubt he isn't) then it doesn't matter if the limit is one nanogram or 40 kilograms. The limit is the limit. If he is really not in excess of it then that's his out; not the fact that "the limit is really small".

[boxing_rocks]

timeframe Povetkin was tested during was 1 microgram.. "

Not true, Povetkin was tested in April, this limit ended in February

Before March 1st, it was 15 microgram, starting March 1st, it became 1 micorgram, "it" being an amount causing automatic sanctions.

[Serragon]

If there was an allowable level and he tested under this level, his test result would have been negative.

His test came back positive, meaning he was over the allowable level.

Prior to March 1 anything under 1 mg was considered allowable. Anything over 1 is considered a failure, with values between 1 and 15 requiring further investigation via excretion testing.

After March 1, any amount of this drug is considered a failure. Anything under 1 requires further investigation via excretion testing. His test was in April, therefore any amount of Mel found means he failed the test. Since we haven't heard anything further from WBC or WADA, I am assuming he was somewhere under 1mg so further testing is ongoing.

It is important to note, however, that his result is a failure. The further testing has a chance of making the results inconclusive at which point the WBC has some decisions to make. But an inconclusive is the best Povetkin can hope for at this point. He definately did not pass his test as is being alleged by some.

[Kalan]

timeframe Povetkin was tested during was 1 microgram.. "

Not true, Povetkin was tested in April, this limit ended in February

You don't know what you're talking about.. The limit became 1 microgram.. Previously It was higher.. And the number of nanograms can vary depending on your degree of hydration.. Or you might test clear if you have an extremely negligible amount and are well hydrated.. That is data is immaterial.. The material questions are 1. What is the allowable concentration??? 2. Were you above it or below it??? ... Povetkin was always below the allowable concentration.. So much so that he passed with ease.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

In a shocking turn of events his b sample was positive too.

[foxdog1923]

In a shocking turn of events his b sample was positive too.

Well if that's the latest one, it's come back positive.

http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-05 ... 10367863-4

[armageto]

In a shocking turn of events his b sample was positive too.

Well if that's the latest one, it's come back positive.

http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-05 ... 10367863-4

Some of these idiots will still defend him.

It "might"have been an honest mistake, maybe he didn't know it was on the banned list, perhaps? He should be punished either way and Wilder should just move on for the time being.

[armageto]

Arreola/Wilder looks possible for the summer. I guess for last minute, it's ok. Arreola looks near the end of it, but maybe he can turn the clock back one last fight.

[foxdog1923]

In a shocking turn of events his b sample was positive too.

Well if that's the latest one, it's come back positive.

http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-05 ... 10367863-4

Some of these idiots will still defend him.

It "might"have been an honest mistake, maybe he didn't know it was on the banned list, perhaps? He should be punished either way and Wilder should just move on for the time being.

Well you did accurately describe them as idiots, so they gotta do what they do. Anyway he's done, just wondering what the punishment will be.

[Tanzio]

Isn't it curious how the "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT POVETKIN NEVER TESTED POSITIVE THE CORRUPT WBC IS JUST PROTECTING CHICKEN WILDER" crowd went poof suddenly

[Kalan]

It "might"have been an honest mistake, maybe he didn't know it was on the banned list, perhaps? He should be punished either way and Wilder should just move on for the time being.

Honest mistake??? It's like people are deaf, dumb, ignorant, and can't read. He knew it was going on the banned list when they announced it was going on the banned list and he stopped taking it immediately.. And all his tests are consistent with his claim that he stopped taking it immediately when it was announced that it was going on the banned list... Since his concentrations were 1/14th of the allowable amount that would be expected to still be in his system if he stopped taking the drug when it's January 1st inclusion on the banned list was announced months before that. I believe the Povetkin team will take legal action to remedy this. I'd be pissed off as Hell.

And there's no reason for Meldonium to be on the banned list except that it's made in Latvia instead of by Abbot Labs in the USA..

[Freedom2013]

Did someone pay off VADA to save Wilder from Povetkin?

The WBC threw away the positive test result for Durodola, claiming something shady was going on with the Russian testing.

It seems to me far more likely something dishonest is going on with the American testing and Povetkin's results.

[asdfjkl]

Riverside's Chris Arreola looks likely to face Deontay Wilder in heavyweight title bout

BUMSQUAD!

I thought this guy wasn't in the WBC top 15? Next to that, unlike Povetkin, he recently failed a drugstest??