You're real stupid.. Pulev is going nowhere.. Nobody who saw his fight with Chisora is impressed. Joshua would flatten him.cold187 wrote:Ignore the attention seeking troll. He needs to find a bird quick
Kalan wrote:
Charles Martin was undefeated in 25 fights and World Heavweight Champion. That more than matches Chisora who's lost many, many fights. Chisora sucks eggs..
Complete rubbish. His resume was not great at all.asdfjkl wrote:I agree with that actually ^, from before 2015 I think Vitali simply was the best boxer ever and nowadays
Vitali has the best resume and best stats of all boxers in his era and he didn't fight bums, like Wilder and Fabio Maldonado do.
Joshua and Ortiz haven't stopped Chisora. Joshua hasn't even fought anybody as good as Chisora. This logic is really idiotic on many counts. You couldn't rate some 20 (20) - 0 prospect ahead of Mayweather, just because he's stopped all of his opponents and Mayweather hasn't. Also, even if a fighter was somehow proven to be worse than Ortiz, that wouldn't mean he sucks. Really, the logic you used here is really idiotic, and I'd ask that you not use it again.Kalan wrote:Pulev sucks, agreed... He couldn't stop Dereck Chisora who Haye blew out easily... Yet he's ranked ahead of Joshua and Ortiz who stop everybody.
Don't worry about it... Joshua's not going away so he'll prove his worth to simpletons who think he's another Frank Bruno.. Chisora is a bum and Pulev couldn't stop him. Pulev isn't going to beat anyone who's any good. Martin wasn't terrible until Joshua fought him... Whyte wasn't terrible until Joshua fought him... Next up to be terrible??? Undefeated Dominic Breazeale... Chisora would never last 2 rounds with Joshua and is not a logical opponent.. Fury is the logical guy for Joshua to fight - and Fury is getting cold feet by the minute.gp. wrote:Kalan wrote:
Charles Martin was undefeated in 25 fights and World Heavweight Champion. That more than matches Chisora who's lost many, many fights. Chisora sucks eggs..
So fighting and beating a lot of terrible boxers ranks you ahead of a guy who has fought a lot of good boxers, lost to some and beaten some?
This is the same method you use to rate Wilt Chamberlain higher than Ali, isn't it. Chamberlain never lost! Of course that's because he never fought, but in your system, that doesn't matter. Just line up everyone who's never lost a fight in order of height.
Do you realise your "reply" to me was completely irrelevant to anything I said? I didn't even comment on Joshua.Kalan wrote:Don't worry about it... Joshua's not going away so he'll prove his worth to simpletons who think he's another Frank Bruno.. Chisora is a bum and Pulev couldn't stop him. Pulev isn't going to beat anyone who's any good. Martin wasn't terrible until Joshua fought him... Whyte wasn't terrible until Joshua fought him... Next up to be terrible??? Undefeated Dominic Breazeale... Chisora would never last 2 rounds with Joshua and is not a logical opponent.. Fury is the logical guy for Joshua to fight - and Fury is getting cold feet by the minute.gp. wrote:Kalan wrote:
Charles Martin was undefeated in 25 fights and World Heavweight Champion. That more than matches Chisora who's lost many, many fights. Chisora sucks eggs..
So fighting and beating a lot of terrible boxers ranks you ahead of a guy who has fought a lot of good boxers, lost to some and beaten some?
This is the same method you use to rate Wilt Chamberlain higher than Ali, isn't it. Chamberlain never lost! Of course that's because he never fought, but in your system, that doesn't matter. Just line up everyone who's never lost a fight in order of height.
TBH I think Chisora has a fair chance against Charles Martin. Both aren't real top contenders, but between them, I'm not so sure Chisora will lose against Martin.Kalan wrote:Don't worry about it... Joshua's not going away so he'll prove his worth to simpletons who think he's another Frank Bruno.. Chisora is a bum and Pulev couldn't stop him. Pulev isn't going to beat anyone who's any good. Martin wasn't terrible until Joshua fought him... Whyte wasn't terrible until Joshua fought him... Next up to be terrible??? Undefeated Dominic Breazeale... Chisora would never last 2 rounds with Joshua and is not a logical opponent.. Fury is the logical guy for Joshua to fight - and Fury is getting cold feet by the minute.gp. wrote:Kalan wrote:
Charles Martin was undefeated in 25 fights and World Heavweight Champion. That more than matches Chisora who's lost many, many fights. Chisora sucks eggs..
So fighting and beating a lot of terrible boxers ranks you ahead of a guy who has fought a lot of good boxers, lost to some and beaten some?
This is the same method you use to rate Wilt Chamberlain higher than Ali, isn't it. Chamberlain never lost! Of course that's because he never fought, but in your system, that doesn't matter. Just line up everyone who's never lost a fight in order of height.
Show me anyone in his era that had a better resume?Lennox wrote:Complete rubbish. His resume was not great at all.asdfjkl wrote:I agree with that actually ^, from before 2015 I think Vitali simply was the best boxer ever and nowadays
Vitali has the best resume and best stats of all boxers in his era and he didn't fight bums, like Wilder and Fabio Maldonado do.
Hang on, are you saying you would make Martin favourite against Chisora?asdfjkl wrote:TBH I think Chisora has a fair chance against Charles Martin. Both aren't real top contenders, but between them, I'm not so sure Chisora will lose against Martin.Kalan wrote:Don't worry about it... Joshua's not going away so he'll prove his worth to simpletons who think he's another Frank Bruno.. Chisora is a bum and Pulev couldn't stop him. Pulev isn't going to beat anyone who's any good. Martin wasn't terrible until Joshua fought him... Whyte wasn't terrible until Joshua fought him... Next up to be terrible??? Undefeated Dominic Breazeale... Chisora would never last 2 rounds with Joshua and is not a logical opponent.. Fury is the logical guy for Joshua to fight - and Fury is getting cold feet by the minute.gp. wrote:
So fighting and beating a lot of terrible boxers ranks you ahead of a guy who has fought a lot of good boxers, lost to some and beaten some?
This is the same method you use to rate Wilt Chamberlain higher than Ali, isn't it. Chamberlain never lost! Of course that's because he never fought, but in your system, that doesn't matter. Just line up everyone who's never lost a fight in order of height.
Right now? No, in 2 years? Probably yes.gp. wrote:asdfjkl wrote:TBH I think Chisora has a fair chance against Charles Martin. Both aren't real top contenders, but between them, I'm not so sure Chisora will lose against Martin.Kalan wrote:
Don't worry about it... Joshua's not going away so he'll prove his worth to simpletons who think he's another Frank Bruno.. Chisora is a bum and Pulev couldn't stop him. Pulev isn't going to beat anyone who's any good. Martin wasn't terrible until Joshua fought him... Whyte wasn't terrible until Joshua fought him... Next up to be terrible??? Undefeated Dominic Breazeale... Chisora would never last 2 rounds with Joshua and is not a logical opponent.. Fury is the logical guy for Joshua to fight - and Fury is getting cold feet by the minute.
Hang on, are you saying you would make Martin favourite against Chisora?
In 2 years Martin will be retired or eking out a living as an opponent for record building.asdfjkl wrote:Right now? No, in 2 years? Probably yes.gp. wrote:asdfjkl wrote: TBH I think Chisora has a fair chance against Charles Martin. Both aren't real top contenders, but between them, I'm not so sure Chisora will lose against Martin.
Hang on, are you saying you would make Martin favourite against Chisora?
If you have to say a guy that just held a belt in his twenties and better than a guy who never had a title and on his way out now and still take two years to be better than he is trashasdfjkl wrote:Right now? No, in 2 years? Probably yes.gp. wrote:asdfjkl wrote: TBH I think Chisora has a fair chance against Charles Martin. Both aren't real top contenders, but between them, I'm not so sure Chisora will lose against Martin.
Hang on, are you saying you would make Martin favourite against Chisora?
world ranked wrote:If you have to say a guy that just held a belt in his twenties isn't already better than a guy who never had a title and on his way out now and still take two years to be better than he is trashasdfjkl wrote:Right now? No, in 2 years? Probably yes.gp. wrote:
Hang on, are you saying you would make Martin favourite against Chisora?
His brothers resume is miles better. Wlad fought good opponents Vitalis were weaker. here are the stats; These are the world title fights he had with his independent ranking before the fight and his opponents pre-fight ranking. He was never the best, his brother was.asdfjkl wrote:Show me anyone in his era that had a better resume?Lennox wrote:Complete rubbish. His resume was not great at all.asdfjkl wrote:I agree with that actually ^, from before 2015 I think Vitali simply was the best boxer ever and nowadays
Vitali has the best resume and best stats of all boxers in his era and he didn't fight bums, like Wilder and Fabio Maldonado do.
Like I wrote before, both aren't real top contenders.world ranked wrote:If you have to say a guy that just held a belt in his twenties and better than a guy who never had a title and on his way out now and still take two years to be better than he is trashasdfjkl wrote:Right now? No, in 2 years? Probably yes.gp. wrote:
Hang on, are you saying you would make Martin favourite against Chisora?
Lennox wrote:His brothers resume is miles better. Wlad fought good opponents Vitalis were weaker. here are the stats; These are the world title fights he had with his independent ranking before the fight and his opponents pre-fight ranking. He was never the best, his brother wasasdfjkl wrote:Show me anyone in his era that had a better resume?Lennox wrote:Complete rubbish. His resume was not great at all.
How many people Joshua has fought can match Chisora's achievements? In terms of number of belts only Love surpasses him, but he's picked up a number of exceptionally thin ones including against people with no wins, and also has had a longer career. None of the others have, Charles Martin has won the NABO belt and a "world" international belt, Chisora has won British, European, Commonwealth, and multiple international belts. Whyte's only belt was a Silver International belt, Kingpin only won one belt, which no one has even fought for since.Kalan wrote:Don't worry about it... Joshua's not going away so he'll prove his worth to simpletons who think he's another Frank Bruno.. Chisora is a bum and Pulev couldn't stop him. Pulev isn't going to beat anyone who's any good. Martin wasn't terrible until Joshua fought him... Whyte wasn't terrible until Joshua fought him... Next up to be terrible??? Undefeated Dominic Breazeale... Chisora would never last 2 rounds with Joshua and is not a logical opponent.. Fury is the logical guy for Joshua to fight - and Fury is getting cold feet by the minute.gp. wrote:Kalan wrote:
Charles Martin was undefeated in 25 fights and World Heavweight Champion. That more than matches Chisora who's lost many, many fights. Chisora sucks eggs..
So fighting and beating a lot of terrible boxers ranks you ahead of a guy who has fought a lot of good boxers, lost to some and beaten some?
This is the same method you use to rate Wilt Chamberlain higher than Ali, isn't it. Chamberlain never lost! Of course that's because he never fought, but in your system, that doesn't matter. Just line up everyone who's never lost a fight in order of height.
I agree Wlad has beaten the tougher oposition.PredatorHayds wrote:Wlad has a better record than Vitali in my opinion.
I agree with you totally that Vitali is superior to Wlad. Vitali's chin was something to behold. Lewis landed some boss shots on him and Vitali, somehow, managed to stay up. Vitali also didn't have the inconsistent beginning to his career that his brother did. Joshua is gonna be great but give it some time bro. He's got a ways to go in terms of competition.Kalan wrote:Lennox wrote:His brothers resume is miles better. Wlad fought good opponents Vitalis were weaker. here are the stats; These are the world title fights he had with his independent ranking before the fight and his opponents pre-fight ranking. He was never the best, his brother wasasdfjkl wrote: Show me anyone in his era that had a better resume?
Vitali was WAY better than Wladimir... He was well ahead of Byrd on all scorecards and winning the Lewis fight on all scorecards when those fight were over... He lost due to injuries, but never lost because anyone performed better... Lewis never won any other fight on cuts in his life and Vitali never suffered a threatening cut before or after the Lewis fight... Lewis promised Vitali a rematch but reneged on his promise... Byrd wouldn't have had a prayer with a healthy Vitali.. VK has the distinction of being the only Heavyweight Champion who won more than one title fight who's never been knocked down. He's also never been behind on points after any fight... HIs KO ratio is the 2nd best in Heavyweight Championship History.
You know... It doesn't matter because Chisora sucks so bad. The MFer can't fight and Pulev couldn't stop him. When it comes to winning so many titles it doesn't mean Chisora is any good at all. You have to watch him fight and his opponents fight to see they suck ... and they're all clowns. Pete Rademacher won the Olympic Gold Medal. The boxers he fought sucked so bad that feat didn't mean anything -- because he was still getting knocked out by anybody who was a half decent Heavyweight. Same with Chisora.BitPlayer wrote:Chisora has won British, European, Commonwealth, and multiple international belts. Whyte's only belt was a Silver International belt, Kingpin only won one belt, which no one has even fought for since.
Vitali wasn't even a half decent heavyweight.Kalan wrote:You know... It doesn't matter because Chisora sucks so bad. The MFer can't fight and Pulev couldn't stop him. When it comes to winning so many titles it doesn't mean Chisora is any good at all. You have to watch him fight and his opponents fight to see they suck ... and they're all clowns. Pete Rademacher won the Olympic Gold Medal. The boxers he fought sucked so bad that feat didn't mean anything -- because he was still getting knocked out by anybody who was a half decent Heavyweight. Same with Chisora.BitPlayer wrote:Chisora has won British, European, Commonwealth, and multiple international belts. Whyte's only belt was a Silver International belt, Kingpin only won one belt, which no one has even fought for since.
Lennox, this is quite the Study actually! Wladimir 23-3-0 according to your post. Vitali 15-2-0. 8-1-0 record difference pure numbers.Lennox wrote:His brothers resume is miles better. Wlad fought good opponents Vitalis were weaker. here are the stats; These are the world title fights he had with his independent ranking before the fight and his opponents pre-fight ranking. He was never the best, his brother was.asdfjkl wrote:Show me anyone in his era that had a better resume?Lennox wrote:Complete rubbish. His resume was not great at all.
VITALI KLITSCHKO 2 0-1 Defended TKO 4 MANUEL CHARR 37
VITALI KLITSCHKO 2 0-1 Defended W12 ud DERECK CHISORA 22
VITALI KLITSCHKO 2 0-1 Defended TKO 10 TOMASZ ADAMEK 6
VITALI KLITSCHKO 2 0-1 Defended KO 1 ODLANIER SOLIS 11
VITALI KLITSCHKO 2 0-1 Defended W12 ud SHANNON BRIGGS 45
VITALI KLITSCHKO 2 0-1 Defended KO 10 ALBERT SOSNOWSKI 38
VITALI KLITSCHKO 2 0-1 Defended W12 ud KEVIN JOHNSON 42
VITALI KLITSCHKO 2 0-1 Defended TKO 10 CHRIS ARREOLA 20
VITALI KLITSCHKO 2 0-1 Defended W12 ud JUAN C GOMEZ 11
VITALI KLITSCHKO 3 0-1 Challenger W12 ud SAMUEL PETER 4
VITALI KLITSCHKO 3 0-1 Defended TKO 8 DANNY WILLIAMS 20
VITALI KLITSCHKO 3 0-1 Vacant TKO 8 CORRIE SANDERS 6
VITALI KLITSCHKO 9 0-1 LOST BY TKO 6 LENNOX LEWIS 1
VITALI KLITSCHKO 4 0-1 LOST BY TKO 9 CHRIS BYRD 10
VITALI KLITSCHKO 6 0-1 Defended TKO 9 OBED SULLIVAN 40
VITALI KLITSCHKO 6 0-1 Defended TKO 3 ED MAHONE 38
VITALI KLITSCHKO 21 0-1 Challenger KO 2 HERBIE HIDE 13
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 LOST BY W12 Ud TYSON FURY 4
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 0-1 Defended W12 ud BRYANT JENNINGS 7
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 0-1 Defended KO 5 KUBRAT PULEV 3
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 0-1 Defended KO 5 ALEX LEAPAI 31
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 0-1 Defended W12 ud ALEXANDE POVETKIN 3
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 0-1 Defended TKO 6 TONY THOMPSON 4
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 0-1 Defended KO 4 JEAN M MORMECK 12
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 0-1 Defended W12 ud DAVID HAYE 3
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 0-1 Defended KO 10 SAM PETER 4
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 0-1 Defended KO 12 EDDIE CHAMBERS 8
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 0-1 Defended TKO 9 RUSLAN CHAGAEV 4
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 0-1 Defended TKO 7 HASHIM RAHMAN 12
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 0-1 Defended KO 11 TONY THOMPSON11
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 0-1 Defended W12 ud SULTAN IBRAGIMOV5
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 0-1 Defended TKO 6 LAMON BREWSTER 11
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 0-1 Defended KO 2 RAY AUSTIN 21
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 1 0-1 Defended TKO 7 CALVIN BROCK 10
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 4 0-1 Challenger TKO 7 CHRIS BYRD 1
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 7 0-1 LOST BY TKO 5 LAMON BREWSTER 38
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 5 0-1 LOST BY TKO 2 CORRIE SANDERS 22
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 5 0-1 Defended TKO 10 JAMEEL McCLINE 11
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 6 0-1 Defended TKO 6 RAY MERCER 24
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 6 0-1 Defended TKO 8 FRANS BOTHA 38
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 8 0-1 Defended TKO 6 CHARLES SHUFFORD 51
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 5 0-1 Defended TKO 2 DERRICK JEFFERSON30
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO 18 0-1 Challenger W12 ud CHRIS BYRD 6