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IKSRTFO wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:1: Ali the things he says just out of random are allways fun, he's one of the best heavyweight boxers ever and nobody is in fear while beïng close to him
2: Mayweather, richest boxer ever, by miles and I've never seen a single fight of him.
3: Wilder, he fought nobody, but in 30 years nobody will realise that, look at Ali, if you look at his record carefully, it doesn't seem to be that amazing
4: Mike Tyson, even though I like the story around George Foreman even more
5: Vitali Klitschko the only matches he didn't win were matches he was actually winning, but got injured and he fought top competition.

I easily name champions and top 10 contenders that Wilder hasn't fought. Ali fought everyone in his era who meant anything I can name a single decent fighter from Ali's era that he didn't try to fight unless you count a faded Floyd Patterson.

I'll admit, I don't know the details of that era, but his first undefeated opponend receieved a cut in his face in the 2nd round, but was just stopped at round 7. His second undefeated actually won against Ali. Next to that, in nowadays standards, Ali would barely have been a heavyweight at all.
Now I won't say Ali is a bum, but it doesn't seem like he was the one and only was he?

asdfjkl wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:1: Ali the things he says just out of random are allways fun, he's one of the best heavyweight boxers ever and nobody is in fear while beïng close to him
2: Mayweather, richest boxer ever, by miles and I've never seen a single fight of him.
3: Wilder, he fought nobody, but in 30 years nobody will realise that, look at Ali, if you look at his record carefully, it doesn't seem to be that amazing
4: Mike Tyson, even though I like the story around George Foreman even more
5: Vitali Klitschko the only matches he didn't win were matches he was actually winning, but got injured and he fought top competition.

I easily name champions and top 10 contenders that Wilder hasn't fought. Ali fought everyone in his era who meant anything I can name a single decent fighter from Ali's era that he didn't try to fight unless you count a faded Floyd Patterson.

I'll admit, I don't know the details of that era,

Then why comment? Reading records doesn't tell you what is going on.

asdfjkl wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:1: Ali the things he says just out of random are allways fun, he's one of the best heavyweight boxers ever and nobody is in fear while beïng close to him
2: Mayweather, richest boxer ever, by miles and I've never seen a single fight of him.
3: Wilder, he fought nobody, but in 30 years nobody will realise that, look at Ali, if you look at his record carefully, it doesn't seem to be that amazing
4: Mike Tyson, even though I like the story around George Foreman even more
5: Vitali Klitschko the only matches he didn't win were matches he was actually winning, but got injured and he fought top competition.

I easily name champions and top 10 contenders that Wilder hasn't fought. Ali fought everyone in his era who meant anything I can name a single decent fighter from Ali's era that he didn't try to fight unless you count a faded Floyd Patterson.

I'll admit, I don't know the details of that era, but his first undefeated opponend receieved a cut in his face in the 2nd round, but was just stopped at round 7. His second undefeated actually won against Ali. Next to that, in nowadays standards, Ali would barely have been a heavyweight at all.
Now I won't say Ali is a bum, but it doesn't seem like he was the one and only was he?

How does his size compared to today's heavyweights have to do with his resume? What does undefeated fighters have to do with it? Fewer fighters were undefeated because there was only one belt and they have to fight for it. He beat the best available. Ali was even the underdog in the Liston in Foreman fights which he won.

Sonny Liston X2
Floyd PattersonX2
Joe Frazier X3 won twice
George Foreman
Ken Norton X3 won twice
Ron Lyle
Ernie Shavers
Jerry Quarry
George Chavalo

His resume is MILES ahead of Vitali which you say fought the best competition.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

I easily name champions and top 10 contenders that Wilder hasn't fought. Ali fought everyone in his era who meant anything I can name a single decent fighter from Ali's era that he didn't try to fight unless you count a faded Floyd Patterson.

I'll admit, I don't know the details of that era,

Then why comment? Reading records doesn't tell you what is going on.

What tells you what is? I remember loads of things from the past that now turned out completely differend. Even Ali himself is an example of that, he was loved by the UK fans before the American fans even, because he refused to take part of a war. What happened to Kennedy? How do you think people look at Wilder in 30 years? Look at Michael Jackson, everybody hated him the last 10 years before he died and right after that, he straight away was the king of pop again...

IKSRTFO wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:I like Foreman. I liked Foreman before liking Foreman was cool.

But I wouldn't rate him as a great businessman as contrary to popular belief he did not invent or market the grill. He was a spokesperson for it.

And somehow, he's made over 200 million being a spokesperson for a grill he didn't even invent or market. That's a businessman to the T

You got a point there.

asdfjkl wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I'll admit, I don't know the details of that era,

Then why comment? Reading records doesn't tell you what is going on.

What tells you what is? I remember loads of things from the past that now turned out completely differend. Even Ali himself is an example of that, he was loved by the UK fans before the American fans even, because he refused to take part of a war. What happened to Kennedy? How do you think people look at Wilder in 30 years? Look at Michael Jackson, everybody hated him the last 10 years before he died and right after that, he straight away was the king of pop again...

I don't comment authoritatively on topics I don't have knowledge of. It's a good rule of thumb. No worries, I didn't even realize it was you. I commented before I logged in and the ignore function did it's clean up. Keep up the good work.

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Tony1244 wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:I like Foreman. I liked Foreman before liking Foreman was cool.

But I wouldn't rate him as a great businessman as contrary to popular belief he did not invent or market the grill. He was a spokesperson for it.

And somehow, he's made over 200 million being a spokesperson for a grill he didn't even invent or market. That's a businessman to the T

You got a point there.

They originally wanted Hulk Hogan to endorse the grill but when they tried calling him he was picking his kids up from school. He called his agent back Foreman had already agreed to it. Hogan was instead offered a blender. "The Hulk Hogan Thunder Mixer" bombed

Ricky_ wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

And somehow, he's made over 200 million being a spokesperson for a grill he didn't even invent or market. That's a businessman to the T

You got a point there.

They originally wanted Hulk Hogan to endorse the grill but when they tried calling him he was picking his kids up from school. He called his agent back Foreman had already agreed to it. Hogan was instead offered a blender. "The Hulk Hogan Thunder Mixer" bombed

Simple twist of fate. Howard Baker missed being on the Supreme Court in a similar situation. Nixon couldn't get a hold of him.

1.ali
2.Mayweather
3.hopkins
4.ali
5.jones jr

1 best trash talker
2 best business man as a boxer
3 best record and accomplishmant as a boxer
4 most famous boxer
5 best boxer of all at his very peak

[quote="Chepppaaa"]1 best trash talker
2 best business man as a boxer
3 best record and accomplishmant as a boxer
4 most famous boxer
5 best boxer of all at his very peak

My list is -- 1. Mike Tyson... 2. Floyd Mayweather... 3. Anthony Joshua... 4. Muhammad Ali... 5. Salvador Sanchez

Sanchez was still getting better at his death at age 23. He didn't get hit with stupid stuff like Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather... Anthony Joshua has 100% wins and 100% KOs, He's the Heavyweight Champion with only 16 fights and 34 rounds ... and that's a tremendous accomplishment. He would crush Lineal Heavyweight Champion Tyson Fury who I don't think is anxious to fight him.

Funny I don't think anyone has said Mike Tyson for most famous. Seems an obvious choice.

BitPlayer wrote:Funny I don't think anyone has said Mike Tyson for most famous. Seems an obvious choice.

All things considered, it has to be Dempsey.

Kalan wrote:
Sanchez was still getting better at his death at age 23. He didn't get hit with stupid stuff like Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather... .

In his last few fights he got hit plenty. Cosell commented on his 'growing disdain for defence' and if that senile incubus noticed it must have been obvious. Ford, Nelson, to a slightly lesser degree Castillo,Cowdell, Laporte, even rocky Garcia who sucked, all managed to find Sanchez. He took more clean shots at that point than Floyd ever did.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Kalan wrote:
Sanchez was still getting better at his death at age 23. He didn't get hit with stupid stuff like Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather... .

In his last few fights he got hit plenty. Cosell commented on his 'growing disdain for defence' and if that senile incubus noticed it must have been obvious. Ford, Nelson, to a slightly lesser degree Castillo, Laporte, even rocky Garcia who sucked, all managed to find Sanchez. He took more clean shots at that point than Floyd ever did.

Sanchez was average defensively, just an offensive juggernaut. I've always thought he had reached his apex.

Yah he was kinda like Marquez, always looking for that big counter so he was happy to let a guy lead, sometimes that will go wrong for you.

I think his defensive abilities get little overplayed because he looked so untouchable against Lopez, who was both made for Sanchez stylewise and if not done, then nearly done.

We don't agree that he was at his apex, I think a move up would have revitalised him but equally that could be my mancrush doing the talking

Counter-puncher wrote:Yah he was kinda like Marquez, always looking for that big counter so he was happy to let a guy lead, sometimes that will go wrong for you.

I think his defensive abilities get little overplayed because he looked so untouchable against Lopez, who was both made for Sanchez stylewise and if not done, then nearly done.

We don't agree that he was at his apex, I think a move up would have revitalised him but equally that could be my mancrush doing the talking

Sadly, we'll never know. Either way, he was great. He was absolutely a complete fighter. People just overlook that he wasn't impossible to find, he had a granite chin. Leonard is similar.

I always thought he fell in love with his chin the way some guys fall in love with their power

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