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bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:What's fueling this strong defense of Povetkin?

Deontay Wilder probably can't read and you want him to fight a guy who failed a drug test?
How does that make sense?
And you want him stripped for not fighting a guy who failed a drug test?

What?

Yeah, it sucks that this fight ain't happening (BECAUSE OF POVETKIN), but let Povetkin prove himself clean,
and that shouldn't difficult given the amount of scientific data presented on this forum alone.
Then, make the fight for the end of 2016.

Of course it's US boosted propaganda, but it is true ... so, it's funny how a country in the midst of a state sponsored steroid scandal
has an athlete people are swearing to god is clean. An athlete that's been on many people's suspect list for years ...

Povetkin didn't fail a drugstest, it's all pure American bullshit, Wada and Vada already admitted they don't have a clue what they are talking about when it comes to meldonium. Why do you think this is going to court? An American court in New York even? You think that happens just for fun? It isn't the first court Ryabinski wins lol.

Once again, any link WADA/VADA admitting something? Once again, WADA or/and VADA or/and WBC....not Riabinsky bullshit.


What court? Suing who? Where? Any link??? once again, some not bias link...not promoter's BS.

asdfjkl wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Povetkin didn't fail a drugstest, it's all pure American bullshit, Wada and Vada already admitted they don't have a clue what they are talking about when it comes to meldonium. Why do you think this is going to court? An American court in New York even? You think that happens just for fun? It isn't the first court Ryabinski wins lol.

Once again, any link WADA/VADA admitting something? Once again, WADA or/and VADA or/and WBC....not Riabinsky bullshit.


What court? Suing who? Where? Any link??? once again, some not bias link...not promoter's BS.

Perhaps you should find a link from Wada/Vada saying Povetkin tested positive, if that exists, they will probably get sued over time. So I really hope you can find it.

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:
Once again, any link WADA/VADA admitting something? Once again, WADA or/and VADA or/and WBC....not Riabinsky bullshit.


What court? Suing who? Where? Any link??? once again, some not bias link...not promoter's BS.

Perhaps you should find a link from Wada/Vada saying Povetkin tested positive, if that exists, they will probably get sued over time. So I really hope you can find it.

At least something like this:
http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/6736-w ... t-division

asdfjkl wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Unlike Sharapova, Povetkin was far far far under all limits, in fact the WBC title should have been taken away from Wilder, no matter how much press and media he got behind him.

So Povetkin won't get a ban, that's already known, the debate is if the purse bid still counts.

This will be hard for you to answer, but can you explain why the belt should have been taken away from Wilder in a logical, fact based manner? Wilder had nothing to do with Povetkin getting busted for testing positive.

According to the rules the champion has to fight his mandatory within a year, Wilder failed to do so, so the belt should be taken away right?


"3.5 Mandatory Defense Obligations. All WBC champions shall make at least one (1)
mandatory defense per year, unless an exception is granted by the WBC in its sole
discretion. A champion may be required to make more than one mandatory defense per
year, if the WBC has designated more than one mandatory challenger for any reason. No
bout shall be considered a mandatory defense unless expressly approved as mandatory by
the WBC, and made exclusively against an official mandatory challenger designated by the
WBC. A challenger who wins the title shall automatically inherit the mandatory defense
obligations of the champion he defeated, unless the WBC in its sole discretion otherwise
directs. "

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Badhusker wrote:
This will be hard for you to answer, but can you explain why the belt should have been taken away from Wilder in a logical, fact based manner? Wilder had nothing to do with Povetkin getting busted for testing positive.

According to the rules the champion has to fight his mandatory within a year, Wilder failed to do so, so the belt should be taken away right?


"3.5 Mandatory Defense Obligations. All WBC champions shall make at least one (1)
mandatory defense per year, unless an exception is granted by the WBC in its sole
discretion. A champion may be required to make more than one mandatory defense per
year, if the WBC has designated more than one mandatory challenger for any reason. No
bout shall be considered a mandatory defense unless expressly approved as mandatory by
the WBC, and made exclusively against an official mandatory challenger designated by the
WBC. A challenger who wins the title shall automatically inherit the mandatory defense
obligations of the champion he defeated, unless the WBC in its sole discretion otherwise
directs. "

What the champion should use his belt for failing to defend for a year, only because his opponent failed a drug test.

Use your frigging brain will you mate?

asdfjkl wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: According to the rules the champion has to fight his mandatory within a year, Wilder failed to do so, so the belt should be taken away right?


"3.5 Mandatory Defense Obligations. All WBC champions shall make at least one (1)
mandatory defense per year, unless an exception is granted by the WBC in its sole
discretion. A champion may be required to make more than one mandatory defense per
year, if the WBC has designated more than one mandatory challenger for any reason. No
bout shall be considered a mandatory defense unless expressly approved as mandatory by
the WBC, and made exclusively against an official mandatory challenger designated by the
WBC. A challenger who wins the title shall automatically inherit the mandatory defense
obligations of the champion he defeated, unless the WBC in its sole discretion otherwise
directs. "

What the champion should use his belt for failing to defend for a year, only because his opponent failed a drug test.

Use your frigging brain will you mate?

Povetkin didn't fail a drug test, you're informed wrongly by the American media, but I expect the American law to be fair enough to let them pay for it and let justice happen, I hope America does it fast, because most Americans companies are quite slow. Take Wada and Vada as an example of that, they don't even know everything about meldonium and already put it on their list lol.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
What the champion should use his belt for failing to defend for a year, only because his opponent failed a drug test.

Use your frigging brain will you mate?

Povetkin didn't fail a drug test, you're informed wrongly by the American media, but I expect the American law to be fair enough to let them pay for it and let justice happen, I hope America does it fast, because most Americans companies are quite slow. Take Wada and Vada as an example of that, they don't even know everything about meldonium and already put it on their list lol.

It is nothing to do with Wilder that there was meldonium present in his bloodstream, whatever the concentration, and Wada and Vada have no authority to strip anyone as they are not a sanctioning body.

You're a complete idiot if you can't see there are zero grounds for stripping wilder, obviously the WBC will grant him more time until a ruling is finalised.

asdfjkl wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Povetkin didn't fail a drug test, you're informed wrongly by the American media, but I expect the American law to be fair enough to let them pay for it and let justice happen, I hope America does it fast, because most Americans companies are quite slow. Take Wada and Vada as an example of that, they don't even know everything about meldonium and already put it on their list lol.

It is nothing to do with Wilder that there was meldonium present in his bloodstream, whatever the concentration, and Wada and Vada have no authority to strip anyone as they are not a sanctioning body.

You're a complete idiot if you can't see there are zero grounds for stripping wilder, obviously the WBC will grant him more time until a ruling is finalised.

The rules are clear, but somehow... Fury has been stripped within a month, Wilder doesn't get stripped after well over a year. I know Wada and Vada are rubbish, but because of their mistakes Wilder received an excuse to avoid the fight again. And because of the WBC (and thanks to the pushing work of Deontay Wilder and his team), Wada and Vada got involved.

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
It is nothing to do with Wilder that there was meldonium present in his bloodstream, whatever the concentration, and Wada and Vada have no authority to strip anyone as they are not a sanctioning body.

You're a complete idiot if you can't see there are zero grounds for stripping wilder, obviously the WBC will grant him more time until a ruling is finalised.

The rules are clear, but somehow... Fury has been stripped within a month, Wilder doesn't get stripped after well over a year. I know Wada and Vada are rubbish, but because of their mistakes Wilder received an excuse to avoid the fight again. And because of the WBC (and thanks to the pushing work of Deontay Wilder and his team), Wada and Vada got involved.

Just for fun....why WBC nominated Povetkin as mandatory in the first place? They could ignore him easily, as they ignore Ortiz, for example...

asdfjkl wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: The rules are clear, but somehow... Fury has been stripped within a month, Wilder doesn't get stripped after well over a year. I know Wada and Vada are rubbish, but because of their mistakes Wilder received an excuse to avoid the fight again. And because of the WBC (and thanks to the pushing work of Deontay Wilder and his team), Wada and Vada got involved.

Just for fun....why WBC nominated Povetkin as mandatory in the first place? They could ignore him easily, as they ignore Ortiz, for example...

He's the WBA interim champion, so Wilder can chose to fight him, but ofcourse, Wilder is not interested for some odd reason.

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:
Just for fun....why WBC nominated Povetkin as mandatory in the first place? They could ignore him easily, as they ignore Ortiz, for example...

He's the WBA interim champion, so Wilder can chose to fight him, but ofcourse, Wilder is not interested for some odd reason.

bigman1968 wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: He's the WBA interim champion, so Wilder can chose to fight him, but ofcourse, Wilder is not interested for some odd reason.

So why Ortiz was ignored and Povetkin wasn't?

Hint....Riabinski's money have something to do with it...

asdfjkl wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

So why Ortiz was ignored and Povetkin wasn't?

Hint....Riabinski's money have something to do with it...

Because Povetkin worked himself up to mandatory spot in the past few years, while Ortiz only very recently started to fight higher ranked boxers and actually already has a title. Fury, Klitschko, AJ and name them aren't in either. Got nothing to do with money.

*edit: Oh it's you again lol *facepalm*

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:
So why Ortiz was ignored and Povetkin wasn't?

Hint....Riabinski's money have something to do with it...

Because Povetkin worked himself up to mandatory spot in the past few years, while Ortiz only very recently started to fight higher ranked boxers and actually already has a title. Fury, Klitschko, AJ and name them aren't in either. Got nothing to do with money.

*edit: Oh it's you again lol *facepalm*

Santa Claus is real too

asdfjkl wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Because Povetkin worked himself up to mandatory spot in the past few years, while Ortiz only very recently started to fight higher ranked boxers and actually already has a title. Fury, Klitschko, AJ and name them aren't in either. Got nothing to do with money.

*edit: Oh it's you again lol *facepalm*

Santa Claus is real too

Yea, in America indeed

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asdfjkl wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Povetkin didn't fail a drug test, you're informed wrongly by the American media, but I expect the American law to be fair enough to let them pay for it and let justice happen, I hope America does it fast, because most Americans companies are quite slow. Take Wada and Vada as an example of that, they don't even know everything about meldonium and already put it on their list lol.

It is nothing to do with Wilder that there was meldonium present in his bloodstream, whatever the concentration, and Wada and Vada have no authority to strip anyone as they are not a sanctioning body.

You're a complete idiot if you can't see there are zero grounds for stripping wilder, obviously the WBC will grant him more time until a ruling is finalised.

The rules are clear, but somehow... Fury has been stripped within a month, Wilder doesn't get stripped after well over a year. I know Wada and Vada are rubbish, but because of their mistakes Wilder received an excuse to avoid the fight again. And because of the WBC (and thanks to the pushing work of Deontay Wilder and his team), Wada and Vada got involved.

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:
Santa Claus is real too

Yea, in America indeed

Всё,бл..., заебал ты меня, придурок

Kalan wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:It's funny how a country in the midst of a state sponsored steroid scandal
has an athlete people are swearing to god is clean. An athlete that's been on many people's suspect list for years

Bad Intentions, You're an ignorant idiot who doesn't know WTF you're talking about, so STFU... Name 1 person at the WBC, WADA, or even that dubious organization VADA, who says Povetkin "failed" ANY PED test..They're using innuendo you dolt.. They're saying he tested positive for Meldonium, while FAILING to mention Meldoniun was legal for 30 years until January this year, and that Povetkin had 1/14 the allowable concentration in ANY of his samples...which means he passed every test and was very conscientious about making sure he wasn't taking anything on the banned list...and in fact never HAS taken anything current to the banned list.

I find it very strange that Meldonium, which is an over-the-counter medication that is widely used in Eastern Europe, and has been studied, and was fine to take for 30 years, suddenly THIS year it was added to the banned list... It's NOT a steroid... It's NOT an anabolic. It doesn't help performance as much as Creatine or Muscletronic, that are Western products with no banned ingredients.. In fact Grindeks, the Latvian company that Mildronate which is composed entirely of Meldonium, told the American AP Meldonium could potentially hinder athletic performance instead of helping it, because it's a medication. It's not designed for athletic performance enhancement like many products that AREN'T on the banned list but DO enhance performance.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:You seem really invested in this thing. It's probably better for you if the fight doesn't happen.
If Wilder won somehow, you wouldn't handle it well.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
It is nothing to do with Wilder that there was meldonium present in his bloodstream, whatever the concentration, and Wada and Vada have no authority to strip anyone as they are not a sanctioning body.

You're a complete idiot if you can't see there are zero grounds for stripping wilder, obviously the WBC will grant him more time until a ruling is finalised.

The rules are clear, but somehow... Fury has been stripped within a month, Wilder doesn't get stripped after well over a year. I know Wada and Vada are rubbish, but because of their mistakes Wilder received an excuse to avoid the fight again. And because of the WBC (and thanks to the pushing work of Deontay Wilder and his team), Wada and Vada got involved.

Fury was stripped because he granted Klitschko a rematch, rather than face his mandatory within the given time slot.

That is in no way comparable to a fighter being unable to face his challenger because a drug test causes the sanctioning body - I'm sure that if you contacted the WBC you will find there's an exemption clause

You clearly have your own agenda that this is some American backed consipiracy to deprive Russia of the opportunity to have a world champion. Which makes little sense to anyone really, who precisely is creating this consipiracy, and to what gain? You seriously think it's the American government? Boxing really isn't very important, this isn't the space race in the 1960's.

As others said, if the aim of the WBC was to do that, they could just have refused to rank him in the first place. It wouldn't be the first time that's happened.

Kalan wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:You seem really invested in this thing. It's probably better for you if the fight doesn't happen.
If Wilder won somehow, you wouldn't handle it well.

I don't care who wins... Before this whole thing blew up I was on record saying Wilder would win a decision... What difference does that make??? You don't make slanderous statements and accuse somebody of being a drug cheat when they're NOT... I would defend Wilder the same way, but in this case it's Povetkin who is being smeared because American promoters don't like Russian promoters winning the purse bid -- because we think we own Boxing and all major World Title Fights should be held in America... They rigged this whole thing up to destroy the budding industry of Boxing in Eastern Europe and keep ahold of one of the few major gate attractions in the United States... What they've done is criminal...and WHOEVER does it I don't like it... I'm an American was rooting for Wilder - before they did this to Povetkin and his promoter.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

Kalan wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:It's funny how a country in the midst of a state sponsored steroid scandal
has an athlete people are swearing to god is clean. An athlete that's been on many people's suspect list for years

Bad Intentions, You're an ignorant idiot who doesn't know WTF you're talking about, so STFU... Name 1 person at the WBC, WADA, or even that dubious organization VADA, who says Povetkin "failed" ANY PED test..They're using innuendo you dolt.. They're saying he tested positive for Meldonium, while FAILING to mention Meldoniun was legal for 30 years until January this year, and that Povetkin had 1/14 the allowable concentration in ANY of his samples...which means he passed every test and was very conscientious about making sure he wasn't taking anything on the banned list...and in fact never HAS taken anything current to the banned list.

I find it very strange that Meldonium, which is an over-the-counter medication that is widely used in Eastern Europe, and has been studied, and was fine to take for 30 years, suddenly THIS year it was added to the banned list... It's NOT a steroid... It's NOT an anabolic. It doesn't help performance as much as Creatine or Muscletronic, that are Western products with no banned ingredients.. In fact Grindeks, the Latvian company that Mildronate which is composed entirely of Meldonium, told the American AP Meldonium could potentially hinder athletic performance instead of helping it, because it's a medication. It's not designed for athletic performance enhancement like many products that AREN'T on the banned list but DO enhance performance.

How do YOU KNOW Povetkin has never taken any currently banned substance?
That statement alone makes you seem a little biased.

Yo I really don't care about your whole drug testing bullshit.
There are a million drugs that do the same thing.
They said don't use this meldonium, then stay away from it.

You seem really invested in this thing. It's probably better for you if the fight doesn't happen.
If Wilder won somehow, you wouldn't handle it well.