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Andrade is a good fighter. The last man to beat him was Shawn Porter. The last man to beat Porter was Kell Brook who doesn't seem to get much credit on here.

crusader wrote:

lefty wrote:I personally think Kovalev is more rounded than Golovkin but I understand the appeal.

You can definitely make a case, and IMO Kov has beaten better opposition too, though he's been down, was knocked out in the amateurs, and has looked more vulnerable at times than GGG has.

GGG is thus easier to sell as an unstoppable monster.

I wasn't aware he was stopped in the amateurs. Didn't Beterbiev beat him in the amateurs?

Stuarty30 wrote:

crusader wrote:

lefty wrote:I personally think Kovalev is more rounded than Golovkin but I understand the appeal.

You can definitely make a case, and IMO Kov has beaten better opposition too, though he's been down, was knocked out in the amateurs, and has looked more vulnerable at times than GGG has.

GGG is thus easier to sell as an unstoppable monster.

I wasn't aware he was stopped in the amateurs. Didn't Beterbiev beat him in the amateurs?

Yes I believe he stopped him.

lefty wrote:

Anzi wrote:

crusader wrote:
You can definitely make a case, and IMO Kov has beaten better opposition too, though he's been down, was knocked out in the amateurs, and has looked more vulnerable at times than GGG has.

GGG is thus easier to sell as an unstoppable monster.

GGG beat Kovalev in the amateurs, though Kovalev is a bigger man now.

Yeah but that's amateur boxing to be fair. I think Korobov beat Lee in the amateurs aswell and got iced in the pro's.

Yes true, but I think Lee was flattered by that win, Korobov was getting to him before he got caught and Korobov does leave himself open and his chin is not the best, if they fought again, Korobov could well beat him, he was favorite for the fight.

gilgamesh wrote:The G Train destroys all

CHOO COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Beterbiev didn't stop Kovalev---he beat him on points 25-24.

I know GGG and Kovalev sparred, but I wasn't aware they fought as amateurs.

gilgamesh wrote:

lefty wrote:I personally think Kovalev is more rounded than Golovkin but I understand the appeal.

I don't think he's more well rounded, but he has better wins on his resume.

When I say more well rounded I mean in regards to hitting and not being hit back. Neither are complete masters of that but generally speaking I think Kovalev tenda to avoid punches better than Golovkin does.

crusader wrote:Beterbiev didn't stop Kovalev---he beat him on points 25-24.

I know GGG and Kovalev sparred, but I wasn't aware they fought as amateurs.

Beterbiev beat Kovalev twice in the Amateurs and I think Golokin beat Kovalev in the Amateurs.

Anzi wrote:

crusader wrote:Beterbiev didn't stop Kovalev---he beat him on points 25-24.

I know GGG and Kovalev sparred, but I wasn't aware they fought as amateurs.

Beterbiev beat Kovalev twice in the Amateurs and I think Golokin beat Kovalev in the Amateurs.

Links? I've done some digging and I can't find any mention of them fighting as amateurs. Kovalev openly admits to losing in the ams against Beterbiev and Korobov and says he turned pro because he couldn't get past them, although he disputes the decision in at least one of the Beterbiev fights. Obviously we all know Kov and GGG sparred. Abel Sanchez should have no problem with GGG going to 175 seeing as he hadled Kovalev so easily before...

Andrade should stay in 154. Plenty of fights there for him, plenty to prove before he considers moving up. After all it, was him who pulled out from Charlo fight. Let him win titles and unify if he can.

I'd much rather see Lara-Andrade. That fight would really decide the man at 154 unless Canelo drops back down.

Anzi wrote:

crusader wrote:

lefty wrote:I personally think Kovalev is more rounded than Golovkin but I understand the appeal.

You can definitely make a case, and IMO Kov has beaten better opposition too, though he's been down, was knocked out in the amateurs, and has looked more vulnerable at times than GGG has.

GGG is thus easier to sell as an unstoppable monster.

GGG beat Kovalev in the amateurs, though Kovalev is a bigger man now.

You sure about that? It has been widely reported that they sparred but I've never seen any mention of them fighting as amateurs.

Can't find the fight bloody anywhere online... Sorry I mean andrade-nelson.

lefty wrote:Can't find the fight bloody anywhere online... Sorry I mean andrade-nelson.

http://vringe.com/video/92724-video-boy ... d-1080.htm

Tarkus wrote:

lefty wrote:Can't find the fight bloody anywhere online... Sorry I mean andrade-nelson.

http://vringe.com/video/92724-video-boy ... d-1080.htm

Brilliant fighter, sits in the pocket nice, good defense, good power and speed, nice movement, that's why he would be a good match-up for Golokin and even Alvarez.

ggg will ko him. andrade got shaken badly in the middle of the fight ,Willie Nelson caught him took him a while to shake it off , if that was triple g he would of been on the floor

BigDoofus wrote:Andrade is a good fighter. The last man to beat him was Shawn Porter. The last man to beat Porter was Kell Brook who doesn't seem to get much credit on here.

That's boxing maths. It doesn't work like that.

Tarkus wrote:

lefty wrote:Can't find the fight bloody anywhere online... Sorry I mean andrade-nelson.

http://vringe.com/video/92724-video-boy ... d-1080.htm

Really appreciated that mate.

I actually think Andrade might be the best fighter at 154. Lara is the only guy I being a threat and I don't think he's as well rounded as Andrade who can fight a bit on the inside aswell as boxing at range.

lefty wrote:I actually think Andrade might be the best fighter at 154. Lara is the only guy I being a threat and I don't think he's as well rounded as Andrade who can fight a bit on the inside aswell as boxing at range.

i thought he looked good against willie, but willie tagged him a couple of times in the middle rounds one really hurt Andrade and if that was triple g fight over

brilo33 wrote:

lefty wrote:I actually think Andrade might be the best fighter at 154. Lara is the only guy I being a threat and I don't think he's as well rounded as Andrade who can fight a bit on the inside aswell as boxing at range.

i thought he looked good against willie, but willie tagged him a couple of times in the middle rounds one really hurt Andrade and if that was triple g fight over

True! Do you remember when Lara got dropped heavily and badly hurt by Angulo though aswell?

lefty wrote:

brilo33 wrote:

lefty wrote:I actually think Andrade might be the best fighter at 154. Lara is the only guy I being a threat and I don't think he's as well rounded as Andrade who can fight a bit on the inside aswell as boxing at range.

i thought he looked good against willie, but willie tagged him a couple of times in the middle rounds one really hurt Andrade and if that was triple g fight over

True! Do you remember when Lara got dropped heavily and badly hurt by Angulo though aswell?

not sure what your getting at you mean lara got up and won. but triple g hits harder and people dont get up. i mean Andrade done well held and got out of trouble, just if golovkin hits him he is going down

lefty wrote:I actually think Andrade might be the best fighter at 154. Lara is the only guy I being a threat and I don't think he's as well rounded as Andrade who can fight a bit on the inside aswell as boxing at range.

Yeah I think Andrade could beat everyone at 154 right now as well. Lara would get outworked by him in all likelihood, and I think Andrade could just flat out outbox The Charlos.

Anzi wrote:

lefty wrote:

Anzi wrote: GGG beat Kovalev in the amateurs, though Kovalev is a bigger man now.

Yeah but that's amateur boxing to be fair. I think Korobov beat Lee in the amateurs aswell and got iced in the pro's.

Yes true, but I think Lee was flattered by that win, Korobov was getting to him before he got caught and Korobov does leave himself open and his chin is not the best, if they fought again, Korobov could well beat him, he was favorite for the fight.

Wasn't Andrade due to fight Korobov and pulled out then Lee stepped in? I had Korobov winning comfortably against Lee until he got caught. Taking nothing away from Lee though. It was an excellent win and a smashing finish.

Stuarty30 wrote:

Anzi wrote:

lefty wrote: Yeah but that's amateur boxing to be fair. I think Korobov beat Lee in the amateurs aswell and got iced in the pro's.

Yes true, but I think Lee was flattered by that win, Korobov was getting to him before he got caught and Korobov does leave himself open and his chin is not the best, if they fought again, Korobov could well beat him, he was favorite for the fight.

Wasn't Andrade due to fight Korobov and pulled out then Lee stepped in? I had Korobov winning comfortably against Lee until he got caught. Taking nothing away from Lee though. It was an excellent win and a smashing finish.

Yes, Andrade had contract disputes with Rock nation, he was offered to fight Korobov for the vacant WBO Middleweight title, with only 15 days to negotiate, but decided to stay at Super Welterweight and defend his title. Andrade ended up not fighting for a year and was stripped of his Super welterweight title by the WBO. A lot of fights are not made at world level, because of money, options and conditions, which is a shame, but Boxing is big business, at the end of the day.