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Meldonium has been used to beef up animals. Poveykin knew he was cheating when he did it, and he knew at some point it would get banned. When you take meldonium, you know exactly what you're doing. It doesn't matter if you take it 10 years ago or tomorrow, taking meldonium is doping.

Boxing Writer wrote:Hopefully fight will happen now. But I can't understand why Ruyabinsky wants this fight to be held only in Russia (as well as Povetkin's fight against Klitschko). Other Russian heavyweights like Maskaev and Ibragimov won their world titles by beating Americans in USA. And Povetkin already had one title fight in Russia and failed miserably in front of his hometown crowd.

Povetkin is Kremlin's patriotic project(since Riabinski bought out his contract from German company), not commercial one like any US or UK boxer. So, if his fight not arranging patriotic hoopla in Russia - his owners are not interested...

That's why Riabinski overpay heavily to bring fights to Russia, using every trick he can to avoid Povetkin fighting abroad.

Foxdog, Theyre the people that have no logic the sheep that follow just like yourself, he has been cleared by WADA, you can't argue with that

Killer Blow wrote:Meldonium has been used to beef up animals. Poveykin knew he was cheating when he did it, and he knew at some point it would get banned. When you take meldonium, you know exactly what you're doing. It doesn't matter if you take it 10 years ago or tomorrow, taking meldonium is doping.

Yeah theres no doubt Povetkin used it to enhance performance as he clearly did not have any cardiac issues. Meldonium is commonly used in Russia and is an over the counter medication although in Povetkins case, it was used as supplementation.

Agree with most of your post but the part where you say he knew he was cheating. Like I said before, Meldonium in Russia was like buying a multi-vitamin, it was fine where hes from.

foxdog1923 wrote:

Kalan wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:WADA cant cry wolf and then step back and tip toe out of this mess they created. There must be some good reason why Riabinsky is not suing them which makes more sense then suing Wilder who has a REASON for what hes being sued for.

WADA needs to pay.

Wilder and Povetkin dont need this shlt, they just need to focus on fighting each other.

It's VADA that used the innuendo and said the result was positive for Meldonium...and then did the B Sample without being asked to test it by Povetkin.. since .07 micorgrams passed easily both tests were going to be exactly the same with Povetkin passing both. They implied Povetkin was dirty by saying, "Povetkin is entitled to have his B Sample tested." They never said the test passed with ,07 microgram of Meldonium... They said "There was also Meldonium present in Sample B" ... I would go after VADA... Those guys and Conte are filthy bastards.

That's the corrupt group that's mixed up with ex-con and PED peddler Victor Conte... VADA has bribed the WBC to get all their title holders to use VADA instead of WADA... VADA is a ripoff of WADA...

Agreed 100%

Correct me if I am wrong. VADA and USADA are testing agencies, that follow rules and guidelines set by the WADA. WADA does not do testing themselves.

Badhusker wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:

Kalan wrote:
It's VADA that used the innuendo and said the result was positive for Meldonium...and then did the B Sample without being asked to test it by Povetkin.. since .07 micorgrams passed easily both tests were going to be exactly the same with Povetkin passing both. They implied Povetkin was dirty by saying, "Povetkin is entitled to have his B Sample tested." They never said the test passed with ,07 microgram of Meldonium... They said "There was also Meldonium present in Sample B" ... I would go after VADA... Those guys and Conte are filthy bastards.

That's the corrupt group that's mixed up with ex-con and PED peddler Victor Conte... VADA has bribed the WBC to get all their title holders to use VADA instead of WADA... VADA is a ripoff of WADA...

Agreed 100%

Correct me if I am wrong. VADA and USADA are testing agencies, that follow rules and guidelines set by the WADA. WADA does not do testing themselves.

You probably should have replied to Kalans post only.

Badhusker wrote:Tarkus, Freedom, BoxingRocks,

Sorry to break it to you, but Wilder had already signed and trained for the Povetkin fight. I really doubt that he fears to fight anyone. The three of you can't be that effing dumb, but I guess I can see the hateful part. Carry on dumbasses.

He signed to fight because otherwise had to vacate. Look who Wilder is fighting when he is not forced to. But what can one explain to a brain dead, human waste like yourself? Nothing.

All athletes take supplements. IT IS NOT CHEATING IF IT IS NOT BANNED. Get it in your tiny brains.

All these former flomo cock suckers are in hysteria that their new girlfriend turned out to be the same cherry picking bitch.

Tarkus wrote:All athletes take supplements. IT IS NOT CHEATING IF IT IS NOT BANNED. Get it in your tiny brains.

All these former flomo cock suckers are in hysteria that their new girlfriend turned out to be the same cherry picking bitch.

You are embarrassing. People like Memo have been making undetectable enhancers for how long now, openly claimed it too. But hey these new compounds aren't banned so it's not cheating lol. Just stick to kneeling and bobbing dude

SFW wrote:

Tarkus wrote:All athletes take supplements. IT IS NOT CHEATING IF IT IS NOT BANNED. Get it in your tiny brains.

All these former flomo cock suckers are in hysteria that their new girlfriend turned out to be the same cherry picking bitch.

You are embarrassing. People like Memo have been making undetectable enhancers for how long now, openly claimed it too. But hey these new compounds aren't banned so it's not cheating lol. Just stick to kneeling and bobbing dude

Keep sucking whatever you are sucking fvckface. You just dont have brain to argue with me. It might be PEDing but it is not cheating. Who is breeding all these morons I wonder.

I'm guessing the best part of you ran down your mother's leg. Do not worry, your unfounded arrogance is pure entertainment, cheers

Tarkus wrote:It might be PEDing but it is not cheating. Who is breeding all these morons I wonder.

LOL "it might be Performance.Enhancing.Drugs ing but its not cheating". Nothing else is needed, just stupid.

SFW wrote:He was using a sketchy substance to gain an edge. Or he never would have taken it at all since he's such a clean athlete, right? They can give him a pass, hope Wilder breaks his face and ends his career. Punk bitch hid from Klitschko most of his career then got embarrassed by the guy he ran from. You guys can blow him all day long nothing new.

Exactly. He should not have been doping in the first place

foxdog1923 wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:Meldonium has been used to beef up animals. Poveykin knew he was cheating when he did it, and he knew at some point it would get banned. When you take meldonium, you know exactly what you're doing. It doesn't matter if you take it 10 years ago or tomorrow, taking meldonium is doping.

Yeah theres no doubt Povetkin used it to enhance performance as he clearly did not have any cardiac issues. Meldonium is commonly used in Russia and is an over the counter medication although in Povetkins case, it was used as supplementation.

Agree with most of your post but the part where you say he knew he was cheating. Like I said before, Meldonium in Russia was like buying a multi-vitamin, it was fine where hes from.

Do you have to inject Meldonium ?

Killer Blow wrote:Meldonium has been used to beef up animals. Poveykin knew he was cheating when he did it, and he knew at some point it would get banned. When you take meldonium, you know exactly what you're doing. It doesn't matter if you take it 10 years ago or tomorrow, taking meldonium is doping.

That is total ignorance and hate talk... Meldonium was developed in-part as a non-anabolic and non-antibiotic product to promote health and growth in animals.. The drug was completely ineffective for that use and is not used or sold for agricultural animals at all.. WADA and successors to WADA knew about Meldonium for 30 years.. It was perfectly acceptable up until now.. Nobody who took it was cheating, but it was decided to put it on the banned list because of it popularity among athletes, further testing was done.. WADA studies found that commercial claims for the product promoting "improved rehabilitation after exercise, protection against stress, and enhanced activations of central nervous system functions" seemed to be credible enough that it was voted to ban it.

Emails went out to athletes announcing the ban... Maria Sharapova apparently didn't get the word soon enough... She had high concentrations of Meldonium and was one of about 170 of 2000 athletes who didn't get off the drug soon enough and were banned for testing over 1 microgram... Povetkin was paying attention and immediately stopped usage... All his tests passed easily, and he shouldn't be put in the same basket as Sharapova and other idiot athletes who don't check their email or communicate with people who do.

foxdog1923 wrote:

Tarkus wrote:It might be PEDing but it is not cheating. Who is breeding all these morons I wonder.

LOL "it might be Performance.Enhancing.Drugs ing but its not cheating". Nothing else is needed, just stupid.

Many legal substances (e.g. creatine) are used to enhance performance.

The distinction between permitted and proscribed is set by certain groups of people, such as those who failed to declare meldonium a banned substance until recently, and who now have stated that under 1mg (Pov was way under this) is allowable.

scallum2015 wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:

Killer Blow wrote:Meldonium has been used to beef up animals. Poveykin knew he was cheating when he did it, and he knew at some point it would get banned. When you take meldonium, you know exactly what you're doing. It doesn't matter if you take it 10 years ago or tomorrow, taking meldonium is doping.

Yeah theres no doubt Povetkin used it to enhance performance as he clearly did not have any cardiac issues. Meldonium is commonly used in Russia and is an over the counter medication although in Povetkins case, it was used as supplementation.

Agree with most of your post but the part where you say he knew he was cheating. Like I said before, Meldonium in Russia was like buying a multi-vitamin, it was fine where hes from.

Do you have to inject Meldonium ?

To be honest I dont know. Ive never used a PED in my life.

Meldonium is taken orally... It's pill... It's not generally used in the United States but widely used in Eastern Europe---where you can go into a Pharmacy and buy it over-the-counter... 40 pills is about 50 bucks and 100 pills are about 100 bucks...depending on the exchange rate at a given time which can fluctuate a lot ... I don't believe it's fine to buy it if you're a US Citizen -- so don't buy it -- but it's widely available on various pharmaceutical websites... Don't buy it of course--but here's one http://pharm-store.com/categories/Other ... m/?id=1163

Boxing Writer wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:He never flew to Russia. If he isn't afraid, how would you explain his choice of opponents?

Wasn't Povetkin afraid of Wladimir Klitschko when he pulled out from scheduled fights (second time with giving 10000 different reasons) and fought guys like Mora, Firtha, Oruh, Nolan, corpse of Hasim Rahman, Boswell, Wawrzyk instead? Wilder's last 4 oppnents are world class in comparison.

You don't sound like you're being sarcastic, but you couldn't possibly not be sarcastic. Stiverne is the only borderline world class opponent that Wilder has fought in his life. Povetkin actually fought Wladimir. You've got to be completely cognitively dissonant to think that Wilder courageously agreed to fight Povetkin, whom he didn't fight, but think that Povetkin cowardly ducked Wladimir, whom he actually fought in real reality.
Wilder fought Povetkin: this is a fantasy. It didn't happen. Wilder backed out.
Povetkin fought Wladimir: this sh*t actually really happened in real life.

There are many legal substances that have evidence based research showing them to be performance enhancing. Taking a legal substance is not cheating. Honestly, what is so hard to understand?

People have this functionally challenged "idea" (or perhaps "idea precursor" would be more accurate as even a little thought would disprove it) that everything has to be fair and equal. Nothing is fair and equal. Most drugs that are banned end up that way because someone wanted to enhance their political standing, nothing more.

We have terribly misinformed people saying things like:

foxdog1923 wrote:LOL "it might be PEDing but its not cheating". Nothing else is needed, just stupid.

Killer Blow wrote:Meldonium has been used to beef up animals. Poveykin knew he was cheating when he did it, and he knew at some point it would get banned.

SFW wrote:He was using a sketchy substance to gain an edge. Or he never would have taken it at all since he's such a clean athlete, right?

So anything that enhances performance is cheating according to these lines of thought. Is a well balanced meal cheating? Is ingesting a blend of proteins rather than a single source of protein cheating? Or does it have to come in a pill to be evil to you? In that case, what are your thoughts on creatine? Conjugated linoleic acid? Are those considered cheating? Mega dosing fertile eggs has been shown to have "steroid like" effects on burn victims. Do we need to set a limit on the amount of eggs a fighter can eat per day?

An athletes job is to prepare to the best of their abilities, and this includes taking any sort of legal supplement that may enhance their performance. Athletes do not set the rules on what is and isn't banned; greedy politicians do. If a supplement is legal, it is not cheating. That is a fact.

punchoutsb wrote:There are many legal substances that have evidence based research showing them to be performance enhancing. Taking a legal substance is not cheating. Honestly, what is so hard to understand?

People have this functionally challenged "idea" (or perhaps "idea precursor" would be more accurate as even a little thought would disprove it) that everything has to be fair and equal. Nothing is fair and equal. Most drugs that are banned end up that way because someone wanted to enhance their political standing, nothing more.

We have terribly misinformed people saying things like:

foxdog1923 wrote:LOL "it might be PEDing but its not cheating". Nothing else is needed, just stupid.

Killer Blow wrote:Meldonium has been used to beef up animals. Poveykin knew he was cheating when he did it, and he knew at some point it would get banned.

SFW wrote:He was using a sketchy substance to gain an edge. Or he never would have taken it at all since he's such a clean athlete, right?

So anything that enhances performance is cheating according to these lines of thought. Is a well balanced meal cheating? Is ingesting a blend of proteins rather than a single source of protein cheating? Or does it have to come in a pill to be evil to you? In that case, what are your thoughts on creatine? Conjugated linoleic acid? Are those considered cheating? Mega dosing fertile eggs has been shown to have "steroid like" effects on burn victims. Do we need to set a limit on the amount of eggs a fighter can eat per day?

An athletes job is to prepare to the best of their abilities, and this includes taking any sort of legal supplement that may enhance their performance. Athletes do not set the rules on what is and isn't banned; greedy politicians do. If a supplement is legal, it is not cheating. That is a fact.

Shouldnt you be telling WADA this? Its stupid to tell us. Go now and tell WADA, if yourr correct then PEDs will be free for all athletes to use and compete at all levels in any sport.

What you gonna do now? You action man or talk shlt man? Please reply with actions youve taken to show you truly believe in what you said so much that youve seen WADA about it. No other reply will do. Back it up!

Lackeos wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:He never flew to Russia. If he isn't afraid, how would you explain his choice of opponents?

Wasn't Povetkin afraid of Wladimir Klitschko when he pulled out from scheduled fights (second time with giving 10000 different reasons) and fought guys like Mora, Firtha, Oruh, Nolan, corpse of Hasim Rahman, Boswell, Wawrzyk instead? Wilder's last 4 oppnents are world class in comparison.

You don't sound like you're being sarcastic, but you couldn't possibly not be sarcastic. Stiverne is the only borderline world class opponent that Wilder has fought in his life. Povetkin actually fought Wladimir. You've got to be completely cognitively dissonant to think that Wilder courageously agreed to fight Povetkin, whom he didn't fight, but think that Povetkin cowardly ducked Wladimir, whom he actually fought in real reality.
Wilder fought Povetkin: this is a fantasy. It didn't happen. Wilder backed out.
Povetkin fought Wladimir: this sh*t actually really happened in real life.

Wilder backed out of the fight??? You are not even a good liar. He didn't cancel or postpone the fight you fuking dipshit.

Aspirin — also known as acetylsalicylic acid — is proven to aid in blood flow. It reduces pain, fever, and inflammation. Aspirin is also proven to helps prevent heart attacks, strokes, and blood clot formation.. Athletes are obviously free to take aspirin because it’s not on any banned list... I seriously doubt if aspirin is ever GOING on any drug banned list. Because it’s a very commonplace and extremely boring drug that billions of people use and take all the time.. You buy it over-the-counter. It works really well, but that’s no reason to ban it. Is it???

But let’s say acetylsalicylic acid was just discovered by a scientist 2 years ago.. Let’s say he gave a few pills to a boxer.. “Take one of these 10 minutes before you run in the morning. Take another one before your gym workout in the afternoon... Tell me how you feel.” The next day the boxer says “I actually felt pretty good, what’s in those pills doctor?” ... “Well, keep this under your hat, but this pill actually aids your blood flow—so it’s got to help your endurance right? Plus it reduces pain and inflammation so it helps on your recovery. Now don’t take more than the one pill I’m telling you because there’d be side effect that you don’t need. But just take one before all your workouts and one before your next fight tell me if you think it helps.”

So in few months a ton of people are taking aspirin including athletes looking for better performance.. Somebody at WADA has a brain fart. He says “Look guys, we better look into this aspirin stuff.. If it really aids blood flow like they claim it does, reduces pain and inflammation, and works therapeutically for the heart, it’s obviously a performance enhancing drug, wouldn’t you say??? That a lot of stuff it's doing. We may need to add it to the banned list.” ... But I think a lot of it depends on what country makes the product and whose ox is being gored..

foxdog1923 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:There are many legal substances that have evidence based research showing them to be performance enhancing. Taking a legal substance is not cheating. Honestly, what is so hard to understand?

People have this functionally challenged "idea" (or perhaps "idea precursor" would be more accurate as even a little thought would disprove it) that everything has to be fair and equal. Nothing is fair and equal. Most drugs that are banned end up that way because someone wanted to enhance their political standing, nothing more.

We have terribly misinformed people saying things like:

foxdog1923 wrote:LOL "it might be PEDing but its not cheating". Nothing else is needed, just stupid.

Killer Blow wrote:Meldonium has been used to beef up animals. Poveykin knew he was cheating when he did it, and he knew at some point it would get banned.

SFW wrote:He was using a sketchy substance to gain an edge. Or he never would have taken it at all since he's such a clean athlete, right?

So anything that enhances performance is cheating according to these lines of thought. Is a well balanced meal cheating? Is ingesting a blend of proteins rather than a single source of protein cheating? Or does it have to come in a pill to be evil to you? In that case, what are your thoughts on creatine? Conjugated linoleic acid? Are those considered cheating? Mega dosing fertile eggs has been shown to have "steroid like" effects on burn victims. Do we need to set a limit on the amount of eggs a fighter can eat per day?

An athletes job is to prepare to the best of their abilities, and this includes taking any sort of legal supplement that may enhance their performance. Athletes do not set the rules on what is and isn't banned; greedy politicians do. If a supplement is legal, it is not cheating. That is a fact.

Shouldnt you be telling WADA this? Its stupid to tell us. Go now and tell WADA, if yourr correct then PEDs will be free for all athletes to use and compete at all levels in any sport.

What you gonna do now? You action man or talk shlt man? Please reply with actions youve taken to show you truly believe in what you said so much that youve seen WADA about it. No other reply will do. Back it up!

There's no need for me to contact WADA and tell them to allow the use of legal methods for performance enhancement as they already allow the use of legal methods for performance enhancement.